Mosley vs. Mayweather & Pacquiao - An Opinion

No matter how you twist it Floyd fans, the Mosley who fought Floyd and Pac was shot past his prime just like Oscar. The diffrence is Pacauaio was the smaller man.

I personally believe Mosley was washed out before the Mayweather fight. Mosley was coming off the biggest win of his career against a weight drained Margarito. Not to mention before he fought Mayweather, he was inactive for a year and a half. Mosley was already in the middle of a training camp for Berto before Andre pulled out. And having to begin a new training camp which most likely lead to over training. Shane looked like he gassed bad against Floyd. The Shane that fought Manny was coming off a draw over Mora. First off, I thought Mosley did enough to take it but looked unimpressive. Second, it was a fight at 154 which is a division Mosley is to small to fight in, not to mention Sergio didn't even make weight for that fight. Overall, Shane fought 2 different styles against each fighter. Floyd made him look worse because Shane at least tried to fight even though he was doing a bad job while Shane just ran all night against Pacquiao.

Maybe you're looking too hard. I don't even see anyone in this thread being as extreme as you're complaining about. Mosley could very well be one of Mayweather's best wins at WW. I think that you see Mayweather getting more credit for his win over Mosley as opposed to Pacquiao because of how he looked against Mosley compared to Pacquiao. Mayweather simply looked a lot better in the ring than Pacquiao did. The majority of people see the Mayweather win as one of his top 3 Welterweight wins, maybe even his best win there. The majority of people see the Pacquiao win as god awful. Are you blind to this? People in this thread are actually being reasonable which I am actually pleasantly surprised by. That doesn't mean this reflects the opinions of the entire board, quite the opposite actually.

You are right on your opinion about Pac cherrypicking though. Floyd took a gamble and hit the jackpot, and that deserves some recognition. Maybe him and his team knew something we didn't. I see it all the time. You're not looking hard enough. That's a good way of looking at it, in the bold. I don't consider Mayweather's win over Mosley as great, I rate Mayweather's wins over Hatton, DLH as better wins, I always have. Nonetheless, it's a good win, a fight he was suppose to take at the time. Pacquiao's win over Mosley is shit.

They were vastly different status wise at the time of the fights. How one would try to argue that is beyond me. However he was shot in both fights, the difference is that team Pacman had to absolutely make sure that he was before they cherrypicked. That wasn't my argument. Mayweather gets more credit for his win, deservedly so. But people rank that win up there as his best or 2nd best WW win, while we all know what people think of Pac's Mosley win. I don't get it. It was the same guy, loss and draw or not, one win shouldn't be held in such high regard while the other is at the other end of the spectrum. Why don't I see the same people trashing Floyd's Judah win? Similar situation. You are right on your opinion about Pac cherrypicking though. Floyd took a gamble and hit the jackpot, and that deserves some recognition. Maybe him and his team knew something we didn't. Cool story, but you're arguing against a straw-man. I haven't heard anyone say that Mosley was a great win for Mayweather while being a trash win for Pacquiao. I see it all the time. You're not looking hard enough.

Against Floyd, Winning lineal old shot champion. Against Pacman, 0-1-1, shot old man/ tread.

C'mon now... You don't have to kiss Pactard azzes.. The Shane that Floyd fought was light years ahead of the BOUGHT-OFF scrub Pac sparred with . I always wonder why people say boxing is a dying sport. Then I read post like this and think that maybe its not boxing but the quality of people watching it. This post just further proves that.

The Mosley that Pac and May fought might not have been too far off, but they were not the same. Biggest difference in my eyes was the right hand, or lack thereof. The last 2 significant right hands Mosley ever threw were in the Mayweather fight, and then Mayweather made sure he never used it again for 10 rounds. After that he could chase and corner Mora but he could not let that right hand go and against Pacquiao he couldn't do much other then jab and move. I will say this though, neither one of them faced a prime Mosley, but then again they didn't really face a prime DLH either.

If you quote me and your post has nothing to do with what my post. Then don't quote me, simple. Nothing to do with is an interpretation , go have a cry you might feel better your too sensitive to something thats very flexible .

The mosley that fought floyd was coming off a huge 18 month lay off, while the one that fought pac was active in a fight just a few months before Where is the cut of that is the point a lay of hurts you , its relative to your experience ,,, a beginner can be way out of timing in just a mth , sometimes weekly ,,,, a consummate pro HOF fighter at the end of his career wont be affected hardly at all , these guys train continually they dont need to fight every few mths this notion is one of those old wives tales within boxing folklore , how do you think Floyd can fight a couple of fights in 4 years a jail term and still box the brakes of somebody as skilled as Pac , ah sorry I ment JMM :) . Fight fitness is a term for pugs not elite champions .

I was responding to the thread and referencing your post in part , where did I say you said Pac was given credit or more credit ,,,,,,, You should know by now the way forum chit chat goes , even though a poster may quote another post , many times it is still in relation to the thread , people can be very quick to isolate something like they are the only ones in the conversation , sometimes I think its paranoia like something is directed straight at them personally , I find that happens alot in forums with bad vibes often being misguided . If you quote me and your post has nothing to do with what my post. Then don't quote me, simple.

I'm sorry where did I even remotely try to give Pac any sort of credit for Shane? Where was that even mentioned in my post? If you're not reading what I'm writing then don't respond to me...Is that simple. I was responding to the thread and referencing your post in part , where did I say you said Pac was given credit or more credit ,,,,,,, You should know by now the way forum chit chat goes , even though a poster may quote another post , many times it is still in relation to the thread , people can be very quick to isolate something like they are the only ones in the conversation , sometimes I think its paranoia like something is directed straight at them personally , I find that happens alot in forums with bad vibes often being misguided .

Oh how ironic..lol... wats ur point?

hindsight is always 20/20. going into the fight, ppl expected floyd to duck mosely, mind u, this is the same mosely that called floyd out in the jmm fight and ppl were saying floyd was ducking him to makre the pac fight (really?!!) and then going into the fight, ppl thought floyd was still gonna duck him and more than a few ppl picked shane to win the fight outright. shane was a top player at www, his lat fight he dominate margs and floyd was fighting "nobodies" (thats right jmm was a bum nobody). floyd fights shane, dominates him, and it was to be expected. fastforward about a year later, shane got dominated by floyd, had a rough fight with sergio frikkin mora, and pac decides to fight him (even tho shane trying to get a fight with him after the margarito fight was one of the reasons for his long layoff. roach's response to a possible fight at that time "you're too good"). pac looks pretty bad in a fight that was dull and lackluster, and ppl are now trying to claim they are the same level of win? hindsight is always 20/20 Oh how ironic..lol...

hindsight is always 20/20. going into the fight, ppl expected floyd to duck mosely, mind u, this is the same mosely that called floyd out in the jmm fight and ppl were saying floyd was ducking him to makre the pac fight (really?!!) and then going into the fight, ppl thought floyd was still gonna duck him and more than a few ppl picked shane to win the fight outright. shane was a top player at www, his lat fight he dominate margs and floyd was fighting "nobodies" (thats right jmm was a bum nobody). floyd fights shane, dominates him, and it was to be expected. fastforward about a year later, shane got dominated by floyd, had a rough fight with sergio frikkin mora, and pac decides to fight him (even tho shane trying to get a fight with him after the margarito fight was one of the reasons for his long layoff. roach's response to a possible fight at that time "you're too good"). pac looks pretty bad in a fight that was dull and lackluster, and ppl are now trying to claim they are the same level of win? hindsight is always 20/20

I think discrediting the Mayweather win over Mosley as a knee jerk reaction to people discrediting the Pacquiao win over Mosley really creates a slippery slope. If we discredit those wins, then we have to discredit Pac's win over Margarito, which subsequently discredits their respective Cotto wins. This could carry on to a point where neither fighter has a single credible win above 140. Is Mayweather's win over Mosley heralded as some great achievement? I don't see that very often. Is it better than Pacquiao's win over Mosley? It is moderately better, but certainly neither faced a prime Mosley. ^^ I second this.

Really? Name me the other time he had a 16 month layoff...Go ahead. On top of that, we are taking about a Mosley that was closing in on 39 .... that layoff does not help when you hit that age and need to take on someone like Floyd or Manny.

The mosley that fought floyd was coming off a huge 18 month lay off, while the one that fought pac was active in a fight just a few months before

when mosley fought mayweather he was #1 had a belt and was a year younger,,, (supposedly mayweather hardest fight to date) when mosley fought pacman he was comin off a TERRIBLE 2 fights (grampa shane is what they called him after the fight) now which mosley do uu think was shot more? I hate to break it to you but just BEFORE the fight, Floyd said that his game plan would take into consideration that Mosley is OLD!!! Also add the fact that this old Mosley was as rusty as nails and he put his body thru 2 consecutive training camps .... .... Manny fought a Mosley that was a little older (1 year) but Mosley was active. Taking all that into consideration, they fought a Mosley that was equal.

Shane was no stranger to 16 month layoffs. Really? Name me the other time he had a 16 month layoff...Go ahead.