Boxing people: Here's a Ward vs. Calzaghe question

son of bernard keeps fighting in oakland, with all the refs/officials on the payroll, he'll surpass calzaghe, easy...

I don't think he is going to beat the Dirrel brother's, The Kid Chocolate, Groves/Degale, Bute, and take on the best at light heavyweight and become champ there in the next 2 to 3 years Really??? All Groves and DeGale have done is fight a close fight with each other, thugh I like both of them. I hope Groves beats Stieglitz and than whups Abraham. And Peter Quillin is at 160 currently. Ward-Bute will happen at some point, people need to relax. I can see Andre beating one of the Dirrell bro's and Bute, than another good SMW and going to 175 to fight the man there. I don't see why Andre Ward wouldn't fight Chad Dawson once he goes to 175, if Dawson beats Hopkins.

If he beats Bute I will put his resume over Calzaghe's If he beats Lucian Bute and Andre Dirrell/Anthony Dirrell (if Anthony gets some decent wins first), and than beat Chad Dawson (if Dawson beats Hopkins), I'd probably put his resume ahead of Calzaghe's.

I think he'll pass him in the next 2-3 years. Calzaghe went from crazy overrated while he was fighting, to vastly underrated now, it'z crazy. I don't think he is going to beat the Dirrel brother's, The Kid Chocolate, Groves/Degale, Bute, and take on the best at light heavyweight and become champ there in the next 2 to 3 years

Yeah, saying a fighter beat guys in a top 10 isn't saying much since a lot of these ratings are arbitrary, especially when it gets below the top 5, which is usually pretty firm. I think if you beat a guy in the Top 10, it's a solid win. If you beat a guy in the Top 5, it's usually a very good win, depending on the division of course.

I took it as Ward right now compared to Joe for his whole career. If it is just Ward's 25 against Joe's 25, I think I would have Ward ahead. But Ward has a lot to do to eclipse what Calzaghe has accomplished. I think he'll pass him in the next 2-3 years. Calzaghe went from crazy overrated while he was fighting, to vastly underrated now, it'z crazy.

Taylor and Miranda did nothing at 168 to be ranked there, either. I feel the same for Abraham. I get it, it's because he was in the tourney, but that doesn't make it accurate IMO I'm just saying it wasn't a bad win, it was a solid win. What did someone like Charles Brewer do to be ranked in the Top 10 by 1997 at 168??? At that point, all Brewer had done was beat Gary Ballard for a vacant title and Joey DeGrandis. Brewer didn't really prove much against good fighters until he fought those close fights with Sven Ottke. Abraham wasn't an ATG win or anything, but it was a solid win, on par with some of Joe's solid defenses during his run.

First off, I must commend Joe for what he did as a boxer, what he achieved was brilliant. Meanwhile, when it comes to judging the top middleweights I just can't include him ahead of guys like Toney, Hopkins and Jones Jr. With that said, at the stage of 25-0. Who has/had the more stellar resume? Ward or Calzaghe? He said after 25 fights and it is true that after 25 fights, Ward has a better resume but its not as great as some are making it out to be. I took it as Ward right now compared to Joe for his whole career. If it is just Ward's 25 against Joe's 25, I think I would have Ward ahead. But Ward has a lot to do to eclipse what Calzaghe has accomplished.

Well then, must have been by default or something :lol1: No way in hell should AA been ranked top 10 at any point. You must think he was a bum or something. The guy did beat Miranda when he could still fight, and Taylor. Also, Ward had to fight him, they were still in the Super Six. It wasn't a terrible win or anything, it was on par with a lot of Joe's title defenses that he had.

Everyone that knows boxing disagrees. Or do you think Froch is a better fighter than Hopkins? He said after 25 fights and it is true that after 25 fights, Ward has a better resume but its not as great as some are making it out to be.

I'll probably get called a "hater" or whatever but Im gonna come out and say it, Ward's resume is being severely overrated on these forums just because he won the Super Six. No one's calling it the GOAT at all, and I'd say Joe's resume RIGHT NOW is ahead of Ward's. But Andre is only 25 fights in and already has wins over Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham, and Froch, all top 10 SMW's going in. He'll probably surpass Joe eventually, if he fights the right fights of course. I don't ee anyone beating Ward from 168-175, and there's a lot of good fights there to be made in the next 5-6 years. Joe does get a bad rep for some reason on here though, he's went from crazy overrated while he was fighting to vastly underrated now, it's crazy.

But its pretty much fact though that wards resume at 25 fights is better then Calzaghe's. you disagree? Everyone that knows boxing disagrees. Or do you think Froch is a better fighter than Hopkins?

He fought Chris Eubank in his 22nd fight I believe. Although he was not at his peak, he's better than anyone Ward has fought thus far. Its a shame Calzaghe couldn't really capitalise on that win, his division was simply bereft of talent Sven Ottke also never wanted to fight Joe, that would have been a big win.

I'll probably get called a "hater" or whatever but Im gonna come out and say it, Ward's resume is being severely overrated on these forums just because he won the Super Six.

If Calzaghe lived in AMerica we'd have a better idea of who he fought to get to 46-0 so we might hold him in higher esteem. Ward's resume through 25 fights is excellent. I simply don't know who Calzaghe fought in his 1st 25 fights but I can't see how it could be better than Ward's. He fought Chris Eubank in his 22nd fight I believe. Although he was not at his peak, he's better than anyone Ward has fought thus far. Its a shame Calzaghe couldn't really capitalise on that win, his division was simply bereft of talent

Abraham was not a top 10 Super Middle when Ward beat him. He was ranked at #10. He finished 2010 ranked #10 by the RING, dropping from where he was after 2009 because he'd losto to Dirrell and Froch. Than he fought Ward in Early 2011. He was #10.

Calzaghe is not better than Ward, and Ward's resume is close to equal to Joe's right now. Ward has much more to his game than Joe, and seems to be able to adjust at any point in a fight. Calzaghe beat Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Bika, Kessler, and Hopkins (controversial though). Those guys were all in the Top 10, except for Bika who would become a Top 10 SMW and Veit, when Joe beat them. He has a pretty solid resume, not a resume that compares to comeone like Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, or James Toney, but a solid one. Ward will pass him though most likely, as he already has a great resume in only 25 fights so far, and hasn't even gone up to LHW or CW yet. Joe's best wins were probably Kessler, Hopkins (although controversial), and Lacy. Ward has wins over Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham, and Froch, who were all on the Top 10 and highly rated going in. He still can get guys like Lucian Bute, Andre Dirrell, Anthony Dirrell, George Groves, James DeGale, Robert Stieglitz, Edwin Rodriguez, just at 168 potentially depending on what happens int he next few years. His resume will be better than Joe's hands down when all is said and done. Joe was also the victim of Sven Ottke not wanting to fight him. That would have been a bit of a legacy fight as well, because Ottke was the best SMW along side Joe after Roy Jones left 168 in the Mid 90's. Joe could have sealed his legacy big time had he moved to fight Roy Jones in the Late 90's as well at 175. He could have easily done that, and it would have been a great fight. Joe has a solid resume, Ward has a great resume thus far, and will probably surpass Joe in the next couple years most likely already. H2H, I just think Ward has more to his game and can adjust to beat anyone at this stage in his career. And his fights aren't even close with the competition he's been in with.

So your lack of knowledge of boxing is why you don't rate Calzaghe as high as he should be. I am not rating Joe, I am simply pointing out that since he fought the abundance of his career in Europe against fighters I don't know, I can't properly evaluate his resume from 1-25. That said, Ward's resume is unique for fighters post 2000 because of the Super 6. I doubt highly if Calzaghe had that level of opposition at that stage of his career. As for where I rate him, I think he was a very good fighter. I don't think he beat BHop. But I thought his evisceration of Jeff Lacy (terribly overarted fighter) was great. I always enjoyed watching him fight.

you can't have him ahead of two roid cheats? he beat the other guy in his back yard are you sure you know what it means to fight in someones backyard? bcuz theres quite a bit of distance between las vegas and philadelphia, or maybe its just some good ol' weebler lies and truth twisting. speaking of which it wasnt much of a "win" for calzaghe either now was it? the roid thing.. im not even gonna go in on that. back to the topic, ward clearly has a better resume than calzaghe. to me its just as obvious that he would beat joe in a h2h matchup, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. nobody can deny that ward has a better resume though, thats just a fact. joes resume is weak as hell, his only impressive "win" is his gift decision over bhop.

Waiting for daggum.