These days, I have been watching several Ike Quartey fights and remembered how solid this guy was. That snapping jab he had, his come forward style, and his chopping right hand made for a lethal combination in the welterweight division.
On the other corner, we have Félix Trinidad. I don't think I have to describe Trinidad since almost every true boxing fan knows of him. Still, I will. Trinidad had explosive one punch power, determination, a relentless go forward style, and good skills when he decided to use them.
On paper, I think this has to be one of the most fascinating welterweight fights that never took place and I just can't pick a surefire winner. I think I could see Quartey giving Trinidad a lot of problems with the jab and taking an early lead until Trinidad starts to pick up the pace and TKO's him late. The reason why I think he could TKO Ike is because Quartey would stand and trade with Trinidad, instead of moving around, thus, giving Trinidad way more chances than he should.
Umm, Winky?
I see this fight going all Quartey. I see his jab snapping Tito's head back repeatedly just like the Winky fight, en route to a comfortable UD. The reason why Quartey's jab wasn't too effective in the DLH fight was due to DLH's fantastic movement. Tito didn't have elusive feet, and this will make him a sitting target for one of the best power jabs in recent memory.
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You know he got beat by Oscar.
Right....
Year off layoff + a guy who was in a turtle shell like making lateral movements with his jab. when he was "attacking" he was counter punching Trinidad's left hook/jab..Nice try though
And yes, Oscar WOULD OF beat Trinidad if he didn't run like a ***** in the las 4 rounds.
Personally, I had the fight a draw. You can't hate Trinidad taking the W away from Oscar.
Love Quartey BUT let's make this simple;
Who Stand in front of Trinidad and actually won a fight?
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On top of that Welterweight? In which Trinidad is undefeated...
You know he got beat by Oscar.
Quartey would have beaten Tito IMO. Tito was very dangerous and had that one punch KO power but Quartey's piston-like jab would frustrate the hell out of him, snap his head back and keep him on his heels so he would constantly have to reset.
Oscar and Lopez dropped Quartey with left hooks but they were both faster, better counter punchers and better combination punchers than Tito and they were both boxing on their toes. Tito always had his weight on the front foot and had a tendency to load up with single shots. Quartey had a tight defense, he would block those left hooks or use his subtle footwork to step out of range when needed.
The possiblity of a KO victory for Tito is VERY high but I would have to favor Quartey 60/40.
Love Quartey BUT let's make this simple;
Who Stand in front of Trinidad and actually won a fight?
On top of that Welterweight? In which Trinidad is undefeated...
Umm, Winky?
I see this fight going all Quartey. I see his jab snapping Tito's head back repeatedly just like the Winky fight, en route to a comfortable UD. The reason why Quartey's jab wasn't too effective in the DLH fight was due to DLH's fantastic movement. Tito didn't have elusive feet, and this will make him a sitting target for one of the best power jabs in recent memory.
Love Quartey BUT let's make this simple;
Who Stand in front of Trinidad and actually won a fight?
On top of that Welterweight? In which Trinidad is undefeated...
This would be a good fight but I may have to take trinidad. Not because he was the better boxer but he was the bigger star. Trinidad in no shape form or fashion beat Delahoya who worked him with a jab and movement but they gave trinidad the decision. Oscars corner lost bhim that fight but truth be told it wasnt even that close Oscar won the firts seven round and was never knocked down in the fight.
Quartey could befuddle Trinidad with the Jab abd was as sturdy as they came but I agree he loved to trade punches and with trinidad that is the wrong answer. If Ike just boxes and keeps his distance he wins an easy decision but if he trades could be a close fight down the stretch.
"Yeah, that's why I hedged with a prime Ike because he wasn't in his prime by the time he fought Oscar. He was also pretty inactive at that point. The version of Quartey who fought Carr, for instance, I thought could beat any welter in the world. But it's hard to pick against a Tito who was so great at adjusting (at least at welter he was) and hit like bricks."
I agree man, I think he would've been too strong for Trinidad and man his jab, still to this day, is the best I've ever seen. Ike Quartey was a very underrated fighter in my opinion.
I tell you what, if it would've took place before Ike fought Lopez, I'd give small edge to Ike in winning a close decision. A lot people don't know this but Ike caught malaria back in Ghana right before fighting Lopez--who was an extremely dangerous fighter back then, no one wanted anything to do with Lopez at 147--and Ike damn near won that fight with one hand man.
This said, Ike's jab--which was better than Wright's at the time--would've kept Trinidad at bay just as it did DLH. When a guy has a very strong jab, it's very hard for fighters to establish a rhythm b/c the jabs always knocking him off balance-watch the DLH and Wright fights, Trinidad looked confused in there. And Ike's defense wasn't too shabby either: ask DLH, who, other than the last round, couldn't land s*&t.
The only problem with Ike's game was his tendency to brawl at times, he mainly only threw two punches at a time and of course he tended to fade down the line a bit. This is were a "prime" Trinidad--aka, before the DLH fight--would've had his moments: in the laters rounds Trinidad was arguably one of the most dangerous fighters of all time. Ike definately see's the canvas in this fight, there's no doubt in my mind--because of the way he fights, he's right there to get hit.
This topic is fun to me because, I've actually played this fight in my head a few times. If you look at the opponents they faced, you can't forget Ike, arguably, "outboxed" DLH, who, arguably, "outboxed" Trinidad so if you play on that logic, Ike should get the decision. But then again, Vargas "outboxed" Ike, who was "KO'd" by Trinidad so--so much for logic.
All I can say is--w/o question--in their respective primes, they were two "extremely" dangerous fighters. Ike's 2x4 jab would've canceled out a KO in my opinion, but Trinidad would've started connecting with big punches (that damn left hook) in the later rounds, putting Ike in survival mode a bit. My prediction is Trinidad wins a close controversial split decision. If Trinidad got the nod over golden boy DLH, then Ike damn near would have to put Trinidad in a wagon to get the decision--which I doubt happens, Ike didn't have the type of explosion with his punches.
So, that's my prediction, Trinidad gets busted up for the first six rounds, comes on late, puts Quartey on the canvas, thus putting him in survival mode and Tito goes on to win a very tough controversial decision. Would've been one helluva fight though!!!!
Yeah, that's why I hedged with a prime Ike because he wasn't in his prime by the time he fought Oscar. He was also pretty inactive at that point. The version of Quartey who fought Carr, for instance, I thought could beat any welter in the world. But it's hard to pick against a Tito who was so great at adjusting (at least at welter he was) and hit like bricks.
I tell you what, if it would've took place before Ike fought Lopez, I'd give small edge to Ike in winning a close decision. A lot people don't know this but Ike caught malaria back in Ghana right before fighting Lopez--who was an extremely dangerous fighter back then, no one wanted anything to do with Lopez at 147--and Ike damn near won that fight with one hand man.
This said, Ike's jab--which was better than Wright's at the time--would've kept Trinidad at bay just as it did DLH. When a guy has a very strong jab, it's very hard for fighters to establish a rhythm b/c the jabs always knocking him off balance-watch the DLH and Wright fights, Trinidad looked confused in there. And Ike's defense wasn't too shabby either: ask DLH, who, other than the last round, couldn't land s*&t.
The only problem with Ike's game was his tendency to brawl at times, he mainly only threw two punches at a time and of course he tended to fade down the line a bit. This is were a "prime" Trinidad--aka, before the DLH fight--would've had his moments: in the laters rounds Trinidad was arguably one of the most dangerous fighters of all time. Ike definately see's the canvas in this fight, there's no doubt in my mind--because of the way he fights, he's right there to get hit.
This topic is fun to me because, I've actually played this fight in my head a few times. If you look at the opponents they faced, you can't forget Ike, arguably, "outboxed" DLH, who, arguably, "outboxed" Trinidad so if you play on that logic, Ike should get the decision. But then again, Vargas "outboxed" Ike, who was "KO'd" by Trinidad so--so much for logic.
All I can say is--w/o question--in their respective primes, they were two "extremely" dangerous fighters. Ike's 2x4 jab would've canceled out a KO in my opinion, but Trinidad would've started connecting with big punches (that damn left hook) in the later rounds, putting Ike in survival mode a bit. My prediction is Trinidad wins a close controversial split decision. If Trinidad got the nod over golden boy DLH, then Ike damn near would have to put Trinidad in a wagon to get the decision--which I doubt happens, Ike didn't have the type of explosion with his punches.
So, that's my prediction, Trinidad gets busted up for the first six rounds, comes on late, puts Quartey on the canvas, thus putting him in survival mode and Tito goes on to win a very tough controversial decision. Would've been one helluva fight though!!!!
So, I guess we could agree that the consensus is a Trinidad late TKO(KO) after a tough, contested fight? That's what I posted initially and have seen several posters somewhat agreeing.
I just don’t think Ike could keep Tito honest with a jab alone, and no knock on Ike but his defense was shaky as someone already stated on this thread in the later rounds.
Ike is NO Winky, nor was he a Hopkins where lateral movement (and fighting backwards) flustered Trinidad.
I got Trinidad by stoppage in the championship rounds.
Quartey always fought at a pace and slowed down in late rounds. His peek a boo defense would had allowed Trinidad to unload punches. Both fighters do punch in the pocket so knockdowns from either side is very much possible.
At 147 I have to go with Trinidad winning a decision or a KO. I was always hoping that Quartey would had gotten matched up with the best in the division in his prime. One thing is that he fought Lopez when nobody wanted to fight the guy.
Quartey was suppose to fight Withaker but got cancelled cause Sweet Pea was found using cocaine
Well said.
Quartey always fought at a pace and slowed down in late rounds. His peek a boo defense would had allowed Trinidad to unload punches. Both fighters do punch in the pocket so knockdowns from either side is very much possible.
At 147 I have to go with Trinidad winning a decision or a KO. I was always hoping that Quartey would had gotten matched up with the best in the division in his prime. One thing is that he fought Lopez when nobody wanted to fight the guy.
Quartey was suppose to fight Withaker but got cancelled cause Sweet Pea was found using cocaine
It was tough luck for this fight. I remember that in 2005 Quartey was a potential opponent for Trinidad after Trinidad-Mayorga. Looking back now, I wish it had been Ike instead of Wright.
Incidentally, I watched it a few hours ago. Anyway, what's your take? Trinidad dominates Quartey and stops him or the fight goes the distance and Quartey gets a controversial call?
Quartey always fought at a pace and slowed down in late rounds. His peek a boo defense would had allowed Trinidad to unload punches. Both fighters do punch in the pocket so knockdowns from either side is very much possible.
At 147 I have to go with Trinidad winning a decision or a KO. I was always hoping that Quartey would had gotten matched up with the best in the division in his prime. One thing is that he fought Lopez when nobody wanted to fight the guy.
Quartey was suppose to fight Withaker but got cancelled cause Sweet Pea was found using cocaine
No way does Tito dominate a prime Quartey. He'd lost a lot of early rounds.
I don't think so either. I just asked because in that particular fight Ike looked vulnerable so maybe the poster meant that Trinidad would make Ike look even more vulnerable. My initial post described what I think.
I think Quartey could keep Trinidad on a string for a while, but eventually Tito would break him down. Late round TKO for Trinidad, but he has some real rough rounds early on.