Delahoya/golden boy fighters

I'm not sure if I'm the only one that noticed but it seems like every fighter thats young and it's with golden boy they get thrown to the wolves to young and than they become crap.. the same thing is going to happen to Saul Alvares I bet. It happened to Khan,Ortiz I believe the best promoter out there is Bob A he knows how to bring his fighter's up the right way and they become super stars. Yes and No. GBP does throw their young fighters to the wolves early. But isn't that what we fans want to see? Everyone cries and complains about Ortiz not fighting a real opponent. Saul not fighting tough opponents. Rios not fighting anyone good. Khan fighting guys like Zab. Yet you want to complain that they 'ruin' their fighters by making them fight great opponents? I don't believe it ruins them either. They are young and can bounce back. If they can't, they were never as good as thought to be. I think this idea comes from ODLH's rise. He didn't have an easy rise. He fought damn near everyone worth talking about. So he lets his fighters do that as well if they want it. Unlike Arum who protects his fighters and won't have them fight anyone significant until near 30 years old.

They're just not that good. How old was Sugar Ray leonard when he fought Duran? 24. How old was Mayweather when he fought Hernandez? 21. Ali when he fought Liston? 22. The current crop of fighters in the media light aren't the ones to carry the torch. Duran at welterweight was already well past his best, When Ali fought Liston, Liston was nearly 40, according to his closest (in age) siblings' estimates, And Hernandez must have been on the slide as this was his last fight. I think that Leonard, Ali and Mayweather got much better as they matured 2-3 years later.

The problem is that promoters/fighters are starting to think that you can't be great if you have a loss on your record, yet almost all of the greatest fighters have 3 or more. That's it, the lost has inflated into a "No hope for the future career stopper", and it shouldn't be that way. Now everything is ****ed, fighters are not climbing up the rankings the natural way, that's why we get all these guys up there where they shouldn't be, and it creates a problem, the guys who have the talent can't climb up any further, it's sad but it's the truth. Not just GBP, lately it has been a consistent trend in the last 15yrs.

I don't think you guys get my point, I like watching good fights too but what I’m trying to say its that it’s a lot smarter to go with a promoter like Arum since he will make you more money and set you up with fights that he knows you’re going to win when you’re young after you have made enough than he would set you up with another good fighter. I do see your point, and I agree, there is a 'right time' to step up in quality of opponents.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one that noticed but it seems like every fighter thats young and it's with golden boy they get thrown to the wolves to young and than they become crap.. the same thing is going to happen to Saul Alvares I bet. It happened to Khan,Ortiz I believe the best promoter out there is Bob A he knows how to bring his fighter's up the right way and they become super stars. What Arum does is pick a fighter, stashes him on the non-televised undercard and allows them to learn for many years. Little by little he test them, and hopes that they have matured enough to be a champion. Imo, he did this with Pavlik beating Zertuche was when i knew Pavlik was the real deal. Arum has experiance we should expect him to know what he is doing. As for GBP, Delahoya signs fighters he belives in and are most of the time much more proven than when Arum picks up a fighter. I think Delahoya expects his fighters to be as good as he was. I think he belives in the fighters he signs but he does have to slow them down. Delahoya lines them up tough cause thats how he would do in his career fight tough comp. right away.

I don't think you guys get my point, I like watching good fights too but what I’m trying to say its that it’s a lot smarter to go with a promoter like Arum since he will make you more money and set you up with fights that he knows you’re going to win when you’re young after you have made enough than he would set you up with another good fighter.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one that noticed but it seems like every fighter thats young and it's with golden boy they get thrown to the wolves to young and than they become crap.. the same thing is going to happen to Saul Alvares I bet. It happened to Khan,Ortiz I believe the best promoter out there is Bob A he knows how to bring his fighter's up the right way and they become super stars. Just because you take an L, it doesn't mean you're crap. People need to move away from the 'couple of losses means you're rubbish' dogma in boxing, it doesn't, far from it. Generally it just means you've had the guts to take on the best, it's generally the unbeaten guys who have avoided the best* *and I know Daggum will back me up on that ;)

this is whats suppposed to happen, its boxing best fight the best. Delahoya likes to make good matchups thats why i love goldenboy

Look at Chavez Jr career Bob has been protecting him forever. But at the same if a young fighter wants to make money he should be built this way instead of them throwing him with another young lion that is also hungry it would be dangerous it does not mean that the fighter is not good it just means it’s bad for business for both fighters. Young fighters should be brought up like Bob Arum brings his fighters up.

They're just not that good. How old was Sugar Ray leonard when he fought Duran? 24. How old was Mayweather when he fought Hernandez? 21. Ali when he fought Liston? 22. The current crop of fighters in the media light aren't the ones to carry the torch.

i don't necessarily agree but if they do then good. if you have the talent you have the talent. fighting 40 bums before you are tested isn't going to do much but create false hype. maidana wasn't even highly thought of when he fought ortiz and either was peterson. if you can't beat guys like that 30 fights into your career then you probably aren't a great talent. look at mares. the guy fought darchinyan, perez, and agbeko and he won because he had the skills. ortiz didn't, khan is still borderline, and so is canelo. canelo's had 40 fights it's time to fight a kirkland, cotto type win or lose. if he wins he deserves star status but if he loses he doesn't pretty simple. how long can he keep pretending to be a top fighter without fighting a top fighter? we will see.