Well i just went right off of Amir Khan! He and Lamont Peterson put on one helluva show but while Lamont was classy in victory Khan was bitter and classless in defeat....
I personally scored the fight a draw but anyone could see it was a close fight and when its that close, in your opponents backyard, ur fighting off the backfoot and u have had 2 points deducted u cant complain with the decision. The point deductions were fair too, infact he's lucky he didnt get more as he constantly pushed Peterson down and/or away...
I was rooting for Amir but it was impossible not to be happy for Lamont - what a story and u could see it meant the world to him, Congrats Lamont Peterson! :boxing:
Watching that press conference the thing that stood out to me was Khan saying the ref didn't give him a warning before the second point was taken.
I'm pretty sure the warning he gave him was taking the first point for pushing off. The ref doesn't have to give you additional warnings after already taking a point, Khan should have adjusted right then. He continued the behavior and the ref acted accordingly.
It's like in basketball, if the refs are calling ticky-tac fouls you have to adjust, you can't wait until you foul out. Or if the refs are allowing physical play to occur with no calls, you have to adjust to that as well. I like Khan and think he is a very skilled fighter, but his in ring adjustments, or lack thereof, cost him his titles.
This fight left a sour taste in my mouth really, it was a good fight, no doubt.
But everyone's going on about how Peterson beat Khan and Khan's nothing, and one dimentional etc.
If not for the ref taking the points away from Khan, he would have won. It's not like he was low blowing Peterson, or fouling in a malicious way, he was simply pushing his man away, as he came steaming in 'pushing' Khan back with his head down towards the ropes. This is something we see in the modern game, I've seen Mayweather doing it for years.
A fight should be fair, and to me, it didn't seem as if it was a fair fight. It was an entertaining fight, both men gave as good as they got, but I feel a ref shouldn't be the talking point during and after a fight. He was biased, and in my opinion ruined the fight for me. Everytime he warned Peterson, he warned Khan too, it doesn't make sense.
Rematch, neutral area. Put this to bed.
If cotto-margarito was refereed in the same manner cotto would have got stopped again...fact. People don't seem to be understanding that the ref put khan in a phone booth with Peterson last night, he took away all of his real estate. Never broke the fighters up, and if khan tried to make room for himself he warned him, and took away 2 points in the end. I had this same convo with Rome, and in the end he agreed with me, the ref basically turned into a brawl, if these same rules were applied to cotto-margs, Ali-Frazier those guys would have lost points too, Ali in all of his fights all the way through his career pushed guys heads down, pushed them away, used elbows. Khan does need to improve his inside game, but last nights ref was a farce! Point deductions for pushing off is nonsense, for the record he warned Peterson numerous times for coming in with his head low, but no deduction for him.
To be honest none of this reaction surprises me because so many people here hate Khan, but a lot of you really don't know what you are looking at, I guarantee Khan would win a rematch, with a normal ref, and a few minor adjustments. After that people will give Khan too much credit for these adjustments, but the difference will be that the referee would not have decided the pattern of the fight. The one thing which this fight has highlighted though for khan is that he certainly needs to work more on his technique, and learn how to nullify pressure fighters
great post....
I think these British fighters who are used to British referees that allow all manner of fouls in the ring, such as pushing off, shoving, pushing down heads, elbowing, rabid punching, grabbing, hugging, etc, when they come over here and find that some referees will not allow such fouls, they cry that the referee is against them and won't allow them to fight their fight. Rick Hatton was a notoriously foul fighter and now Khan.
Peterson should never agree to a rematch in the UK otherwise the referees there will allow Khan to mug his title away.
I think the second fight will be better and IMO it leans to Peterson!!!
Peterson will be coming into the ring as a Champion for the first time, while Khan will be facing a fighter he knows will give him a very tough fight. Khan has never rematched in the past .... and he picked a hell of a time and opponent to do it with, his first time out.
Now that Peterson has the titles, Khan will actually have to fight his azz off to get them back.
I just think Amir can do things differently while Peterson already played his Ace.
Im now a Peterson fan though so if he wins again then fair play to him
The important thing is that the rematch Happens!
Its a shame that a fight as great as this one is being talked about more for the deductions than the classic it was...
I like Amir in a rematch tbh, Lamont fought out of his skin infront of his hometown fans and took the title. Defending it is known to be harder than winning it for some reason and Khan who can improve on that performance, avoid deductions ect, should be able to reclaim the belt.
I think the second fight will be better and IMO it leans to Peterson!!!
Peterson will be coming into the ring as a Champion for the first time, while Khan will be facing a fighter he knows will give him a very tough fight. Khan has never rematched in the past .... and he picked a hell of a time and opponent to do it with, his first time out.
Now that Peterson has the titles, Khan will actually have to fight his azz off to get them back.
I don't think i've ever seen a point being deducted for pushing in a fight nevermind two. The second deduction was nonsense. I think Khan has every right to feel aggrieved about that considering the the deductions were the difference on the scorecards.
That being said, great fight. Probably a contender for FOTY.
I believe Cotto has that world record!!! Did not you see last weekends figh Cotto VS Mrgs?? Cotto is the undisputed campion of backing up, then Khan!!
Both of them are neck & neck with the backward running .... Reason why I don't come down hard on Cotto for doing it, is because you never hear Cotto claiming how GREAT he is and he's the one to beat this one or that one. Khan's mouth runs as fast as his feet and if you're gonna make outlandish claims, then at the very least, you should make an ATTEMPT to back them up.
Cotto is in a different class entirely from Khan in character and in the ring.
yup, just hard facts, with that said, the fight was a modern day classic. it was really good. i kno it'll happen again, would be interesting to see who improves on what. probably will be another close one tho.
Its a shame that a fight as great as this one is being talked about more for the deductions than the classic it was...
I like Amir in a rematch tbh, Lamont fought out of his skin infront of his hometown fans and took the title. Defending it is known to be harder than winning it for some reason and Khan who can improve on that performance, avoid deductions ect, should be able to reclaim the belt.
He REALLY needs to work on that inside game, its the worst in world class boxing....
Totally agree with u and Dan btw
yup, just hard facts, with that said, the fight was a modern day classic. it was really good. i kno it'll happen again, would be interesting to see who improves on what. probably will be another close one tho.
exactly and i agree. if ur getting away with a foul, by all means keep doing it. but if ur called out to on it, it would behoove you to make the appropriate adjustments before getting penalized. anyways, this was a learning experience for khan, his inside game is absolutely atrocious. if it wasnt he wouldnt have had to push.
He REALLY needs to work on that inside game, its the worst in world class boxing....
Totally agree with u and Dan btw
You make a good point.
I have no issue at all with dirty and rough fighting.
But, if the referee is warning you multiple times for doing something, then takes a point off for it, if you're stupid enough to not realise that you should stop then I don't know what to say.
As soon as the point was deducted Khan should have stopped pushing. Simple as that.
I mean, I wouldn't have cared if the ref took no points, if the ref was cool with it then whatever.
But if the ref does warn and take points then obviously if you carry on doing it you have to expect points to be taken.
exactly and i agree. if ur getting away with a foul, by all means keep doing it. but if ur called out to on it, it would behoove you to make the appropriate adjustments before getting penalized. anyways, this was a learning experience for khan, his inside game is absolutely atrocious. if it wasnt he wouldnt have had to push.
That first deduction was fine, the deduction in the last round was terrible. I can see why he would be pissed of after the fight.
He can say what he wants about the ref but he should have given Lamont his dues. Khan needs to sort his attitude out.
I agree with this post..
i dont get the ppl wo have issues with the fouls. pushing is a foul rite? he was warned, it wasnt as if the ref ignored it all fight. what u ppl dont get about boxing is that every ref is different. some emphasize some fouls while others emphasize others. the only blatant fouls out there are headbutting and low blowing. the others run the gamete depending on the ref. stop *****ing, the ref didnt do anything wrong. what khan did was a foul and he was warned multiple times and he got a false knockdown to boot. it all evens out. ppl are just looking for something to complain about. khan looked like an amateur last nite. accept it.
You make a good point.
I have no issue at all with dirty and rough fighting.
But, if the referee is warning you multiple times for doing something, then takes a point off for it, if you're stupid enough to not realise that you should stop then I don't know what to say.
As soon as the point was deducted Khan should have stopped pushing. Simple as that.
I mean, I wouldn't have cared if the ref took no points, if the ref was cool with it then whatever.
But if the ref does warn and take points then obviously if you carry on doing it you have to expect points to be taken.
if what Khan did was illegal...then Mayweather should be DQed for his elbowing
give me a break.
lol, it is whne he does it. the difference is floyd is a vet. he doesnt much much more subtly. khan was more than obvious with his doing it. the ref cant penalize you for things he cant see. that the difference between a vet and a rookie.
Yes, it is.
If your opponent is in your chest throwing shots and you literally push them forcing them to take a few steps backward it is illegal. Point blank illegal.
And Khan did that atleast 15-20 times.
Martin Murray-Felix Sturm is another example of Murray illegally pushing. The difference is when he was warned a few times he stopped doing it. He didn't proceed to keep doing it for the rest of the fight.
Excellent spot there with Murray vs Sturm, i knew id seen it somewhere recently but the fighter packed it in!
Well i just went right off of Amir Khan! He and Lamont Peterson put on one helluva show but while Lamont was classy in victory Khan was bitter and classless in defeat....
I personally scored the fight a draw but anyone could see it was a close fight and when its that close, in your opponents backyard, ur fighting off the backfoot and u have had 2 points deducted u cant complain with the decision. The point deductions were fair too, infact he's lucky he didnt get more as he constantly pushed Peterson down and/or away...
I was rooting for Amir but it was impossible not to be happy for Lamont - what a story and u could see it meant the world to him, Congrats Lamont Peterson! :boxing:
Khan won that fight and you know it.
if what Khan did was illegal...then Mayweather should be DQed for his elbowing
give me a break.
Some refs DO pick him up for it and he adjusts, and even then he dosnt do it to the extent that Khan pushed down.
No is not, most referees tell you to push, when guys get tie or are close, example Steve Smoger!!
Yes, it is.
If your opponent is in your chest throwing shots and you literally push them forcing them to take a few steps backward it is illegal. Point blank illegal.
And Khan did that atleast 15-20 times.
Martin Murray-Felix Sturm is another example of Murray illegally pushing. The difference is when he was warned a few times he stopped doing it. He didn't proceed to keep doing it for the rest of the fight.