Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis - Who wins?

https://youtu.be/c5quyoCm8kA?si=GeemVGZozH3e6_Go I thought louis could beat this guy,louis and his whole era wasn't even as advanced as that guy wlad fought his 3rd match,find a way to alter louis to be as advanced as guys on my video lunatics

Easy win for vit only crazy idiots picked joe

Haha seriously? Vitali would rip him a new one and end his career. Wlad would do the same. Facts only crazy idiots compare primo who don't watch matches its easy to see klits are way more advanced and better movers them he was so why compare them makes no sense like why was wlad ever compared to primo who he never fought like and is way more tech and moved way better never made sense to me like anybody can see wlad fights nothing like him and is way more skilled Joe would be destroyed he never fought anybody tall and skilled like these klits the man never would land so how would joe win these people are so crazy

Vitaly is too big man. haha. Joe Louis wasn't even 200 lbs at his best Not just to small but to stiff and slow

Why wouldn't he? Vitali certainly isn't a sloth but he's no incredibly elusive fighter either. Louis is faster than Vitali, with better handspeed, and would never chase headshots if they aren't there. At no point would Louis settle on throwing looping right hands one at a time, that's simply not the fighter he is, and Vitali isn't that quick or hard to hit where Louis would be forced into that. Vitali wants to fight tall? Louis will throw his combinations to the body and bring that chin into range. It's something he understood how to do as well as any heavyweight ever. You trolls need to stop posting when people tell you why and you still say idiotic things joe would lose he was stiff and slow and never would land simple as that like its easy to see the people vit fought and how they moved and how the ones in Joe's era move its obvious joe would need to move and be as advanced like the ones in vit era to do good so stop trolling you crazy idiot

Vitaly is too big man. haha. Joe Louis wasn't even 200 lbs at his best

Haha seriously? Vitali would rip him a new one and end his career. Wlad would do the same.

I think Louis would have eviscerated the Lennox who showed up that night. Vitali made his rep on winning a few early rounds against a great one before his face fell apart and was the last man hurt (even if he deserved another round). Louis would have leveled a Lewis who dared to show up that slow and at a career high weight. I'm sure you disagree. All good. We can at least agree on the neutral corner. ;) You people are so crazy how would joe beat lennox when he never would land watch Matches cause your a idiot

I am ok with people calling me stupid or crazy, I think Joe Louis could win this one. Good speed really good pop a better boxer, Vitali has power but I don't see him hitting Joe with a lot, and I think Vitali would fight different if Louis nailed him. Joe Louis could box and was athletic. I don't see how Vit could dictate the fight all 12. Joe was a good boxer and quick as hell and he could crack on a high level. I can see Joe winning a decision especially if it was an old school championship fight of 15 rounds. I won't dismiss Vitali as I think he's done basically what he could against who he fought, but I can see Joe giving him a real hard time. If it went 15, I vote Joe, goes 12, I can see Vit eeking it out or Joe winning a close one. Both great fighters. Kind of bitter at Vitali for skipping three years while being an emeritus champ and basically holding the division hostage. You think crazy cause on vid shows joe was to outdated and slow how would he land you crazy cause that makes no sense

Yes, that's correct. Based on seeing quite a few Vitali fights on TV and some internet viewing of Louis. Also based on the generally accepted consensus that Joe's boxing skills were superior to nearly all fighters past and present. Yes. That is my opinion. Next rhetorical question please. And your wrong you crazy idiot cause joe wasnt better when he was missing advances they had in tech and movement so how can he be better you idiot

Not a single stylistic similarity between Carnera and Klitschko. Carnera was completely orthodox and Klitschko, is, of course, Klitschko, the exact opposite. Yea none at all and these crazy followers been repeating that dumb quote for years cause they dont watch Like anybody who watched matches can see klit is way more skilled and a better mover and way more polished then that trash fighter Like only a idiot would compare anybody joe fought to a modern its crazy

95% of NSB does not know just how vast the skill advantage for Louis is here. Vitali better hope his size is too much, because he doesn't even have half of Louis's skills. And it's not like Louis has never fought men Vitali's size. Why do you idiots always say size only while leaving out how they moved back then you idiot follower Joe never fought anybody tall and skilled with good movement like vit so you lied you idiot try watching Matches instead of repeating dumb quotes like why would you compare the people Joe fought to any modern when those in joe era was missing advances your a idiot

Besides being caught one time during his early amateur career, what points do yo have to back up your claim he is using steroids in his pro career? He sure doesn't look like his shape isn't natural. Unbased claim, dismissed. It's well known that Louis used steroids throughout the middle to latter part of his career, including his comeback fight. Just because a fighter doesn't look like they're juicing doesn't mean he isn't doing it, take Briggs for example. Louis might not have been Toney in the physique department but to a trained eye like mine he was definitely on prednisolone, methylprednisolone, dexamethasone and probably even creatine. It shouldn't detract from his legacy of course, since everyone else was using them as well (Baer was a raging Muscletech addict). At any rate, they were primarily to help him with recovery between fights and aid him a little with his chin. Both the Klits though, they're as clean as a vascular whistle.

I'd say that's fair. I still wouldn't put either anywhere near close to Louis in terms of skills and power though. Honestly, as much as I hate Haye, I consider him to have had enormous power for his size. He also routinely launched himself into his shots, getting even more power into his punches, though it cost him in terms of balance, combination potential, defense and a whole load of other things. In terms of sheer explosive energy though I have a hard time comparing him to many other heavyweights. Adamek's a strange case. He doesn't really carry a bonafide heavyweight's body, and was most definitely blown up by the time he fought there, but in every other weight division he's campaigned in including Cruiserweight he had very respectable one hit power which he was able to land in combinations. At heavyweight he became a feather fist which if anything highlights the gulf in physical resilience between the heavies and everyone else. The fact that Louis was able to drop big heavies, even of the Abe Simon variety, with one shot argues strongly in favour of his power, though for me the key to Louis's power resided in his precision and sharpness more than his concussive force. Watching his knockouts you're always struck by how cleanly he catches opponents. He very rarely whiffed or caught opponents with a glancing blow a la Foreman. When you're landing that cleanly and with that sort of picture book technique you're going to cause some damage. Thing is, when you're thinking about the types of punchers that hurt both the Klits in the past it's frequently been the big clubbing types, the guys with that explosive concussive force in their fists: Peter, Lewis, Sanders (he was more the explosive type), Brewster, big heavy resilient guys who barrelled forward throwing caution to the wind. Louis never really showed that sort of reckless abandon; he picked his shots when he saw openings and generally kept his composure at all other times. Against the ultra cautious Wlad of today this poses a bit of a problem, because Wlad makes so few mistakes and keeps himself at arm's length with his amazing jab. Louis would be forced to lunge forward, and that's not really his game (though he did it on occasion) and that's really not a recipe for success, as Haye found out. If Louis were to have any success it would be against Vitali, who gives you more opportunities for openings whilst also dishing out more damage. I still can't see him winning, but then I literally can't picture any way in which he beats Wlad.

not sure.... i would have to see joe louis on steroids for an even comparison. Besides being caught one time during his early amateur career, what points do yo have to back up your claim he is using steroids in his pro career? He sure doesn't look like his shape isn't natural. Unbased claim, dismissed.

not sure.... i would have to see joe louis on steroids for an even comparison.

I think it's fair to include both Haye's and Adamek's Cruiserweight fights and even their Light Heavyweight fights in the mix here, considering the size of some of the fighters who were called Heavyweights back in Louis's day. Would you agree? I'd say that's fair. I still wouldn't put either anywhere near close to Louis in terms of skills and power though.

The same Haye and Adamek who had a combined 10 fights at heavyweight beating only 1 top 10 fighter apiece? Yup, world beater those two were! I think it's fair to include both Haye's and Adamek's Cruiserweight fights and even their Light Heavyweight fights in the mix here, considering the size of some of the fighters who were called Heavyweights back in Louis's day. Would you agree?

After watching Vitali's brother struggle to outpoint Haye, a cruiserweight and watching Vitali go so many rounds with Adamek, a former light heavyweight champ, I realize how silly people are by saying the Klitschko's would beat a great because they are too big. Klischko's fans just refuse to admit Louis was in another class all together. Louis at 210 pounds would breeze through everyone any heavyweight champion today has faced. Wlad may have looked a little less than perfectly comfortable when fighting Haye, but to say he struggled to outpoint him is ludicrous. And at no point was Adamek even in the fight with Vitali so the number of rounds he went with him is irrelevant. I agree that anyone that relies upon the Klitschko's size advantage as the crux of their argument is being a little silly. I'd also agree that anyone thinking Louis would smash the Klitschkos because he blew through Abe Simon, Buddy Baer and Primo Carnera is a little more than silly. Lots of nonsense on both sides.

Just out of curiosity how many of Primo Carnera's knockouts came from guys who were actually full time professional boxers? Ill be waiting for your response. Have to rig numbers like a fa88ot to even make an argument. He has more KO's than Vitali, holy sh1t, Joe Bugner has more KO's than Ali, so Joe Bugner was better right. Who cares how many fights they had when you can just pick numbers to try to make a point. I mean sure Carnera was knocked down 10 times in his savage beating loss to Max Baer the year before Joe Louis beat him, but who gives a sh1t about that right? I mean Vitali's never been knocked down in his career, but Primo Carnera had more knockouts so he must have been beter. Carnera was knocked down so many times while trying to continue on with a broken ankle. Imagine trying to carry that weight around on a broken ankle and against a great puncher to boot? That takes courage. It's not like he hurt his shoulder and quit against a feather fisted fighter he was up on the cards against and had no chance of losing besides a ko. Just saying....:dunno: