What will Whitaker be remembered most for?

Better than both Mayweather and Pacquaio? LOL

Well put. :fing02: Thank you kindly sir.

I'll check it out later. Thank you. Anytime, Bat.

I'll check it out later. Thank you.

His "draw" with Chavez was merely an aspect, a terrible one, but an aspect all the same. I would characterize that fight as an undeniable blemish, a stain not on just on Pernell's record but boxing's good name. And once again we have the involvement of a controversial promoter, "Don King." What felt so terrible about that draw was that perfection was denied in favor of politics and process. Anyone that cared about the sport saw something that was blatant but necessary in the machinations of Don King. We saw the ugly truth of what winning eans to some and the lengths they will go to. Whitaker was beautiful to watch. Well put. :fing02:

Great fighter...One of the best defensive fighter of all time...the guy who schooled the sh*t out of chavez sr

His "draw" with Chavez was merely an aspect, a terrible one, but an aspect all the same. I would characterize that fight as an undeniable blemish, a stain not on just Pernell's record but boxing's good name. And once again we had the involvement of a controversial promoter, "Don King." What felt so terrible about that draw was that perfection was denied in favor of politics and process. Anyone that cared about the sport saw something that was blatant but necessary in the machinations of Don King. We saw the ugly truth of what winning means to some and the lengths they will go to. Whitaker was beautiful to watch.

I couldn't stand it either. Maybe I should watch him again to become more appreciative like you. I haven't done that. :)

I couldn't stand watching Whitaker when he was active, but I've grown to appreciate his greatness. I couldn't stand it either. Maybe I should watch him again to become more appreciative like you. I haven't done that. :)

I'm not questioning how you or I would gauge their talents, I am just saying the love these two get on sites like this one is ridiculous...not so much Sweet Pea in his day, but Toney 8 or 10 years ago...wtf was he doing to impress? Why are people so enamored with this man? Toney never impressed me much at all...perhaps it was personal preference or who knows...I am just completely baffled by the love Toney gets on here. No I understand you perfectly. There will always be certain groups who overrate their favorites, thats a given. As far as Toney goes...he simply had wicked talent, one of the best all around fighters I've ever watched when he was on his game. Unfortunately he probably wouldn't crack my top 50 all time p4p (probably close though) because of lackluster efforts at times and unwillingness to maintain a disciplined lifestyle conducive to a great career. Had he been able to correct these things I have little doubt he would deserve to be mentioned amongst a more elite class of fighter from an all time stand point. He certainly had the tools.

I don't consider them over rated or the best p4p fighters all time. It does however take more than this website and boxrec to properly gauge just how good a fighter is/was though. Not all that hard to pick out the intelligent from the unintelligent around here.I'm not questioning how you or I would gauge their talents, I am just saying the love these two get on sites like this one is ridiculous...not so much Sweet Pea in his day, but Toney 8 or 10 years ago...wtf was he doing to impress? Why are people so enamored with this man? Toney never impressed me much at all...perhaps it was personal preference or who knows...I am just completely baffled by the love Toney gets on here.

I love Pernell Whitaker and James Toney...but they seriously might be the most overrated fighters in the history of the internet. If you only learned about boxing from reading boxing scene you would think these two are #1a and #1b P4P GOAT I don't consider them over rated or the best p4p fighters all time. It does however take more than this website and boxrec to properly gauge just how good a fighter is/was though. Not all that hard to pick out the intelligent from the unintelligent around here.

True..... Thanks for sharing :headbang: Back at ya MJ. :fing02:

His great defense and incredibly uneventful and boring fights. I couldn't stand watching Whitaker when he was active, but I've grown to appreciate his greatness.

I love Pernell Whitaker and James Toney...but they seriously might be the most overrated fighters in the history of the internet. If you only learned about boxing from reading boxing scene you would think these two are #1a and #1b P4P GOAT

James Toney is more Complete than Floyd. He does everything Floyd does, but he punches in combinations, and to the body effectively. This is certainly arguable but his lapses in focus during certain fights takes him down a notch for me. I can't stand Floyd, but he rarely loses focus and always finds a way to take or maintain control. Jmo.

The more I watch Whitaker the more I see him as the most complete fighter of the last 30 years. Only Duran rivals him in that span with Floyd coming in behind that. James Toney is more Complete than Floyd. He does everything Floyd does, but he punches in combinations, and to the body effectively.

His great defense and incredibly uneventful and boring fights.

I'll remember him as being the hardest man to hit in boxing history and my favorite fighter of all time

Ray beat better overall comp. And While he had more power offensively He just wasn't as defensively sound. Great, great fighter though who I would pick to decision Whitaker at 147. True..... Thanks for sharing :headbang: