Is Mayweather the Greatest Counter puncher in the history of boxing?

There's a difference between Defense and counter-punching. He can mix both, which he does really well. I think his Defense on its own, is better then his counter-punching. He's a little to selective. I think guys like Moreno and Sweat Pea make you pay more for a mistake than Floyd does. Not speaking about power but landing punches. That is not true, though he was a great counter puncher Pernell used to let shots fly without making his opponents pay, be it he was having fun; showboating it happened alot. As for Floyd, not often would you see Floyd in the process of evading a combination without making his opponent pay. Floyd is definitely more opportunistic than Pernell when his opponents made a mistake, which is why I'd rate him the better counter puncher, not by much of a margin though.

Pacquiaos the best counterpuncher right now no, he's not..he's far from it...

hell fukking no...he's not even the best counterpuncher right now...

There's a difference between Defense and counter-punching. He can mix both, which he does really well. I think his Defense on its own, is better then his counter-punching. He's a little to selective. I think guys like Moreno and Sweat Pea make you pay more for a mistake then Floyd does. Not speaking about power but landing punches. Ol boxing head in the house! Mad respect and 100% agree!

When you're comparing the best ever it becomes more a matter of style than overall quality. Comparing, for example, Toney, Mayweather, and Arguello, all three had quite distinct approaches to the art and all were extremely effective. Mayweather is definitely better than JMM though, although perhaps JMM is more totally reliant upon it in his game since he lacks some other tools Mayweather possesses.

I'd say that people hate him because hes Black, Loud, rich and undefeated! If he was mexican,white,russian,Puerto rican or asian he'd be considered the best by many many more. But on the other hand if he was anything other than black he would not have the natural skills and ability that he has. It's all in the Genes baby, African American Genes. No other race can make these type fighters, Ali,Roy Jones,James toney,Shane Moesly, Mike Tyson,SRR,SRL,Tommy hearns, Mayweather etc,etc. Its the truth son, all facts. I know your gonna call me A racist but that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm just calling it how I see it! No... youre not racist at all...

Sweat Pea Whitaker Wilfred Benitez Anselmo Moreno Willie Pep Off the top of my head. There are a few more. Nice list, but Moreno, really?

I'd say that people hate him because hes Black, Loud, rich and undefeated! If he was mexican,white,russian,Puerto rican or asian he'd be considered the best by many many more. But on the other hand if he was anything other than black he would not have the natural skills and ability that he has. It's all in the Genes baby, African American Genes. No other race can make these type fighters, Ali,Roy Jones,James toney,Shane Moesly, Mike Tyson,SRR,SRL,Tommy hearns, Mayweather etc,etc. Its the truth son, all facts. I know your gonna call me A racist but that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm just calling it how I see it! Lol, what does race have to do with it? Seriously, don't turn this into a race war. You can't post videos of HEARNS vs a counter puncher and say " see? ". Has floyd Faced a hearns type opponent? that caliber, that rangey, that powerful, that fast? all in 1? Hearns was a damn good counter puncher himself too. I mean seriously, You don't see me posting videos of Mayweather/Castillo 1 saying " Look, how good of a counter puncher is he now? " Fact is, Put james Toney in the situation Floyd was in the first time against Castillo, or JMM for that matter, I gurantee they counter the hell out of their opponent non stop and probably get the KO. Let's see.. Toney/Jirov and JMM/Diaz come to mind. You are looking at floyds patients and unwillingness to engage, and his defense, and calling him the GOAT at counter punching. The truth is, it's all he's looking for. He can't Multitask as well as the above mentioned fighters. I've seen floyd throughout his career, early on when he use to stand there and trade, when he use to give the fans a show (IMO, he still does, I love all his fights, I even loved the baldimor fight. Clinics are never boring IMO), and he never looked that impressive as a COUNTER puncher while trading shots. Guys like Duran though, could counter while going all out in the phone booth, etc. And still barely get touched. They had a deeper system of countering, more versatile, and they could multitask. We can argue who was the most "effective" all day and night, but "best" is subjective, as I stated before, and IMO, a "better" counter puncher is a guy who has the skillset to do it while cooking breakfast at the same time. That isn't floyd.

JMM is a better couterpuncher because he throws more counters? How effective are his counters? How accurate are they? When we're talking about who's the best at something, you gotta look at quality not quantity. JMM probably throws more couters per fight than Robinson did, does that mean he's a better counter puncher than Robinson as well? Come on now.

I hate to say it like this, but a lot of you so called boxing fans are dumb as rocks when it comes to boxing. Most of you don't even seem to understand what counter punching is. How is defense not part of counter punching when it's all about slipping/dodging/blocking punches while catching your opponent as he's exposed? If you truly think that Marquez is better at that than Mayweather then you're completely ignorant. Marquez throws more punches than Mayweather because he has to. He's not as accurate, he isn't gifted enough to do what Mayweather does. This all should be common sense. Its nice to see a few guys on here understand the sport. Most are stupid casual fans below the age of 25. They have no concept of boxing and the true meaning of Sweet science. The skill set Mayweather brings to the table is unmatch by all others, present and past. These idiots say **** like Marquez is a better counter puncher,OMFG, its crazy dude!

Sorry SWEETSCIENCE100,but I'd say overrated... If you take a look at the poll, majority of voters says "no"... But, then again, you're entitled to your opinion...:boxing: I'd say that people hate him because hes Black, Loud, rich and undefeated! If he was mexican,white,russian,Puerto rican or asian he'd be considered the best by many many more. But on the other hand if he was anything other than black he would not have the natural skills and ability that he has. It's all in the Genes baby, African American Genes. No other race can make these type fighters, Ali,Roy Jones,James toney,Shane Moesly, Mike Tyson,SRR,SRL,Tommy hearns, Mayweather etc,etc. Its the truth son, all facts. I know your gonna call me A racist but that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm just calling it how I see it!

I would definitely say he is up there, I could see how JMM could be said to be better...the major difference with these fighters is the defense, counter punching and combination punching.. Floyd is definitely the most superior defensive fighter out there...I would say JMM using counter punching in combinations makes him stand out a little more....its very rare you will see Floyd counter with a barrage of punches...

Sorry SWEETSCIENCE100,but I'd say overrated... If you take a look at the poll, majority of voters says "no"... But, then again, you're entitled to your opinion...:boxing:

Hes not the best anything until he steps up his competition level and fights consistently. Hes only one of the stubornest in making fights and duckers and most reluctant champs in history.

Exactly... and too many people who simply don't respect Floyd on a personal level. I can't get over how people are saying that JMM is a better counter puncher. Wait... Floyd counters JMM all night... JMM can't counter Floyd all night... yet JMM is the better counter puncher? I seriously hope you're trolling, and don't in fact lack common sense.

Some one post the full round 2 of the Mayweather vs. Marquez fight and only this round. And tell me why Floyd could not ko Marquez even though he tried. And look at that round and you will see Marquez counter most everything Mayweather threw at him after that knockdown in this round. After this round Floyd knew he could not ko Marquez and being th aggressor was not his best option against Marquez because Marquez counters better than Floyd. floyd is lucky he is so much bigger than marquez or when he jumped in he would've got wacked in the face and not the chest

Some one post the full round 2 of the Mayweather vs. Marquez fight and only this round. And tell me why Floyd could not ko Marquez even though he tried. And look at that round and you will see Marquez counter most everything Mayweather threw at him after that knockdown in this round. After this round Floyd knew he could not ko Marquez and being th aggressor was not his best option against Marquez because Marquez counters better than Floyd.

Juan Manuel Marquez is the better counter-puncer. Lets see Floyd out of his safe zone and go up two divisions to middleweight and fight Sergio Martinez (and Martinez not making weight). Floyd fans think that Floyd beat the best Marquez ever... talk about not knowing about a fighter.

People can never believe there watching the best ever at something in 100 years people will call floyd the greatest but right now there is too many pactards Exactly... and too many people who simply don't respect Floyd on a personal level. I can't get over how people are saying that JMM is a better counter puncher. Wait... Floyd counters JMM all night... JMM can't counter Floyd all night... yet JMM is the better counter puncher?

Sweat Pea Whitaker Wilfred Benitez Anselmo Moreno Willie Pep Off the top of my head. There are a few more. Willie Pep? LOL