Likely course for the winner and loser of Mayweather-Pacquiao

If Floyd wins then he's fighting Khan next. Why move up to fight the other guys when he'll have to fight Khan eventually? He'll fight Khan 1st, then move up to 54 to fight Alvarez on Cinco De Mayo next year while probably finishing his career with a Martinez fight. Thats the natural progression. You dont wanna be going up & down in weights, espically at his age. If Pac wins then JMM 4 is next. If he loses then Bradley is next, then JMM 4. If he wins those 2 then maybe he gets Floyd to finish up with. If Floyd loses then its a Pac rematch Agree 100% about Floyd fighting Alvarez in May 2013. I think that will be Floyd's last fight, assumming he wins out of course, which is not guaranteed AT ALL. Hopefully Alvarez gets a good win or two over Cotto-Margarit II winner, Kirkland, Lara, Martirosyan, before a fight with Floyd in May 2013. If he does, it will make a Floyd fight THAT much bigger and more legit. If Floyd loses to Pacquiao, and it's pretty close, I expect a rematch, unless Pacquiao ducks it (Pac ducked the Barrera rematch for 4 years until Marco was way past it. He ducked both JMM rematches for 4 years and 3 1/2 years as well). With that said, if Floyd wins and it's close but still CLEAR that he won, I don't see him risking a rematch with Manny. I like Floyd, but at this point, he'd have way more to lose rematching Pacquiao if he only wins by a close by clear margin. However, if it's a controversial win, he'll do a Pacquiao rematch (his first win over Castillo was controversial and he rematched him immediately and won again). I see Floyd fighting Pacquiao in May 2012, Khan in December 2012, and Alvarez in May 2013, and then calling it a career. A Sergio fight in Fall 2013 might not make much sense by then. Floyd will be 36, probably starting to show signs of his skills about to seriously deteriorate, and Sergio would be 38, and who knows if he'll be as good in late 2013, 2 whole years from now??? The only possible way I see Floyd fighting Sergio now is if May-Pac negotiations breakdown again, and Floyd fights him in May 2012. Or, if the May-Pac fight fell through again, and Floyd fought Khan in May 2012, he could fight Sergio in late 2012. But, that's the only way I see it happening.

Floyd fights Khan, if he beats Pacquiao. Manny will probably fight Bradley, Ortiz, Maidana, Cotto-Margarito II winner if he wins. If Floyd loses, I honestly can't see him fighting again, unless it's a controversial fight, in which they'd probably do a rematch immediately. If Manny loses, he'll probably fight Bradley, Ortiz, Maidana, Cotto-Margarito II still. Marquez could be in line again as well, regardless if Pacquiao wins or not.

If Floyd wins then he's fighting Khan next. Why move up to fight the other guys when he'll have to fight Khan eventually? He'll fight Khan 1st, then move up to 54 to fight Alvarez on Cinco De Mayo next year while probably finishing his career with a Martinez fight. Thats the natural progression. You dont wanna be going up & down in weights, espically at his age. If Pac wins then JMM 4 is next. If he loses then Bradley is next, then JMM 4. If he wins those 2 then maybe he gets Floyd to finish up with. If Floyd loses then its a Pac rematch

His resume gets proper credit. Maybe not by news sites thats not dedicated to Boxing (ESPN) but he does. With that said the Oscar fight was not a good win. You could say if he had a persona like ODLH then he would get more credit. But then he would have less viewers. You could say if he had a persona like ODLH then he would get more credit. But then he would have less viewers. This is all I'm getting at. Floyd made himself a star. If he had toned it down, did the ODH/SRL/MAnny fake good guy on TV persona, stayed wit Top rank, he'd be treated differently. If their roles were reversed, Joan Guzman and Zahir Raheem would be great because Manny didn't fight them. How ****ing ridiculous is that?

No he doesn't. Even if he does thats not the point. If floyd had a different persona, like ODH or SRL, he'd be treated differently, his resume would be given proper credit, and people he didn't fight wouldn't be over rated simply because floyd didn't fight them. Imagine if someone argued Pipino Cuevas was great because SRL didn't fight him? You'd ****ing laugh at them. His resume gets proper credit. Maybe not by news sites thats not dedicated to Boxing (ESPN) but he does. With that said the Oscar fight was not a good win. You could say if he had a persona like ODLH then he would get more credit. But then he would have less viewers.

:no::no::no: Again disagreed. using your example of these 2 media darlings again. SRL didnt fight Hagler when it mattered, and Oscar ducked margarito and Winky Wright. Oxn your just pulling **** out the air. No one says ODH ducked WInky. Jrosales13 and I have debated this before so he knows the deal. He thinks I am always discrediting manny's resume and achievments. I think when Manny and floyd are held to the same standard, floyd always comes out ahead. Its like manny fighting JMM. People act as if each fight was in the same vacum. The 1st fight manny was small favorite. The 3rd fight he was a 9-1 favorite. SIgnificantly different.

perfectly said. SRL gets criticized ALOT. Oscar isnt close to be named ATG. HOF for sure yes. And Oscars resume win or lose is amazing. No he doesn't. Even if he does thats not the point. If floyd had a different persona, like ODH or SRL, he'd be treated differently, his resume would be given proper credit, and people he didn't fight wouldn't be over rated simply because floyd didn't fight them. Imagine if someone argued Pipino Cuevas was great because SRL didn't fight him? You'd ****ing laugh at them.

You also didn't address the "didn't fight _____" thing used against floyd. If floyd is the media darling this crap doesn't exist. :no::no::no: Again disagreed. using your example of these 2 media darlings again. SRL didnt fight Hagler when it mattered, and Oscar ducked margarito and Winky Wright.

Hell SRL the media darling got criticized...Hell HBO Legendary nights falsely claimed that SRL ducked Aaron Pryor. Which made tons of noobs truly believed that SRL ducked Pryor. Oscar for being a media darling is not even considered being an ATG by most boxing historians. He gets criticized a lot as well. Being the media darling does not equate to ATG status. Pac gets criticized as well. Pac being an ATG has nothing to do with being the media darling. It has to do with the work he has put in. If floyd were a media darling, the idea of Pac being at or near his level would be preposterous IMO. Pac's popularity juxtaposed against floyd's arrogance and flashiness has definitely helped how people see him. Of course Manny has accomplished enough to be a 1st ballot HOF'er, no question. But if floyd had a different persona his accomplishments would be viewed differently. You also didn't address the "didn't fight _____" thing used against floyd. If floyd is the media darling this crap doesn't exist.

Hell SRL the media darling got criticized...Hell HBO Legendary nights falsely claimed that SRL ducked Aaron Pryor. Which made tons of noobs truly believed that SRL ducked Pryor. Oscar for being a media darling is not even considered being an ATG by most boxing historians. He gets criticized a lot as well. Being the media darling does not equate to ATG status. Pac gets criticized as well. Pac being an ATG has nothing to do with being the media darling. It has to do with the work he has put in. perfectly said. SRL gets criticized ALOT. Oscar isnt close to be named ATG. HOF for sure yes. And Oscars resume win or lose is amazing.

Because of the judge that had it 118-112 for SRL. Ridiculous. Because Sweet Pea did to ODH what ODH did to Felix. If you think ODH beat Felix then its logical that Sweet Pea beat ODH. That score may be rediculous. But it goes to prove that SRL isnt a media darling, if people are going to argue that score even though he won it. Somewhat comfortably IMO. And no i dont see your other point. Oscar schooled the hell out of Felix, even if he gave the last 2 rounds away i still think he shouldve won. As for Whitake vs Oscar, Oscar missed alot, but he was the only one pushing the fight, i thought he won very comfortably, and im a huge Oscar hater, and admirerer of Sweet Peas.

I dont understand. SRL acts like SRL, and people say he waited till Hagler got old. And that he lost. I still dont udnerstand why people to this day said SRL lost to hagler, and Oscar lost to Whitaker. I think there is some hating going on. Because of the judge that had it 118-112 for SRL. Ridiculous. Because Sweet Pea did to ODH what ODH did to Felix. If you think ODH beat Felix then its logical that Sweet Pea beat ODH.

It absolutely does. If floyd were a media darling like SRL or ODH his resume wouldn't be questioned as much. You wouldn't have the ridiculous phenomenon of people over rating fighters because floyd DIDN'T fight them. Larry Merchant, Bert Sugar, and the rest of the old guard would suck off floyd if he acted the way they wanted him to.You know this. But just because floyd says I'm the best those guys make it their mission to knock him down a few pegs. Hell SRL the media darling got criticized...Hell HBO Legendary nights falsely claimed that SRL ducked Aaron Pryor. Which made tons of noobs truly believed that SRL ducked Pryor. Oscar for being a media darling is not even considered being an ATG by most boxing historians. He gets criticized a lot as well. Being the media darling does not equate to ATG status. Pac gets criticized as well. Pac being an ATG has nothing to do with being the media darling. It has to do with the work he has put in.

Manny was knocked down and hammered because he he won a majority decision against a 9-1 underdog who moved up from lightweight, that he was supposed to KO . MOst people thought he lost the fight. (not me I had it a draw) Manny failed their expectations and he got criticized for it. Sucks doesn't it. Floyd got elevated after ODH because he was given a SD in a fight almost everyone reasonable thought he won comfortably.Additonally, the ratings for 24/7 were amazing. Most people would say he won most the rounds, but he looked terrible doing it.

It absolutely does. If floyd were a media darling like SRL or ODH his resume wouldn't be questioned as much. You wouldn't have the ridiculous phenomenon of people over rating fighters because floyd DIDN'T fight them. Larry Merchant, Bert Sugar, and the rest of the old guard would suck off floyd if he acted the way they wanted him to.You know this. But just because floyd says I'm the best those guys make it their mission to knock him down a few pegs. I dont understand. SRL acts like SRL, and people say he waited till Hagler got old. And that he lost. I still dont udnerstand why people to this day said SRL lost to hagler, and Oscar lost to Whitaker. I think there is some hating going on.

Disagreed Manny wins a close decision against Marquez a top p4p fighter and his stocks dropped as well as p4p status, and been hammered by the media But Floyd wins a close snoozer against Oscar (someone whos been said to be past it), and he gets launched in super stardom? Manny was knocked down and hammered because he he won a majority decision against a 9-1 underdog who moved up from lightweight, that he was supposed to KO . MOst people thought he lost the fight. (not me I had it a draw) Manny failed their expectations and he got criticized for it. Sucks doesn't it. Floyd got elevated after ODH because he was given a SD in a fight almost everyone reasonable thought he won comfortably.Additonally, the ratings for 24/7 were amazing.

Your point is that Pac is a media darling. Which has nothing to do with his ATG status. And, again if Oscar is his greatest win...THAT VERSION....Then Floyd resume is OK at best. It absolutely does. If floyd were a media darling like SRL or ODH his resume wouldn't be questioned as much. You wouldn't have the ridiculous phenomenon of people over rating fighters because floyd DIDN'T fight them. Larry Merchant, Bert Sugar, and the rest of the old guard would suck off floyd if he acted the way they wanted him to.You know this. But just because floyd says I'm the best those guys make it their mission to knock him down a few pegs.

I made the point already, Manny is held to a different standard then floyd because of his popularity. Disagreed Manny wins a close decision against Marquez a top p4p fighter and his stocks dropped as well as p4p status, and been hammered by the media But Floyd wins a close snoozer against Oscar (someone whos been said to be past it), and he gets launched in super stardom?

I made the point already, Manny is held to a different standard then floyd because of his popularity. You can judge the win and floyd however you choose. Floyd has a history of dominating future HOF'ers, other than CAstillo 1, he has virtuially no close fights, no real drama. Since he usually wins by wide margins I think his best win is the one that changes hios stature as a fighter. The ODH fight takes floyd from just another great fighter to a transcendant star. Thats why I think its his greatest win. Your point is that Pac is a media darling. Which has nothing to do with his ATG status. And, again if Oscar is his greatest win...THAT VERSION....Then Floyd resume is OK at best.

And, for the most part that fight is not one of Pac best wins by the most part....So what is your point again? Again if Oscar is Floyd greatest win. Then Floyd is OK at best. I'm not sure if I can call him an ATF if that win against that version of Oscar is his greatest win. I made the point already, Manny is held to a different standard then floyd because of his popularity. You can judge the win and floyd however you choose. Floyd has a history of dominating future HOF'ers, other than CAstillo 1, he has virtuially no close fights, no real drama. Since he usually wins by wide margins I think his best win is the one that changes hios stature as a fighter. The ODH fight takes floyd from just another great fighter to a transcendant star. Thats why I think its his greatest win.