Pac-Floyd is a totally different matchup from Pac-JMM

Yes it's a totally different matchup so I don't understand why people like to base off Pac's chances against Floyd with the problems he faced against JMM. Now don't get me wrong because I'm not saying that Pac has better chances against Floyd than against JMM. All I'm saying is JMM posed a different problem to pac than what Floyd can cause. And I have no problem if people will say Pac will have bigger problems against Floyd than against JMM but you can't base it off from what you saw in a Pac-JMM fight. To be more clear with my point, let me breakdown the problem caused by JMM against Pac. It's very obvious that JMM's superior counterpunching skills always put the brakes on pac's offense and he's the only one who can do that. Why? Because JMM's counterpunching is different from anyone else. JMM has always fought Pac on a defensive stance but everytime Pac attacks him, he stands his ground and counters with a crisp and fast combination. Not only that, he also counterattacks. In other words, JMM is the kind of counterpuncher that goes from a defensive stance to all out offense if under attack and he's willing to take that risk against Pac which is a big plus. It's one big problem that pac never found an answer to. Now, let's shift the focus on Floyd. Can Floyd counterpunch? Yes and very good at it but he doesn't counterpunch like JMM does. He's limited to just 1 or 2 punches when it comes to counterpunching which I think is not enough to deter Pac. He doesn't counter with a combination and doesn't stand his ground like JMM does. You can say he was during his 130 and 135 days but he has long been abandoned that style and I don't think he will ever bring it back. Compared to JMM, Floyd goes from a defensive stance to a more defensive stance under attack (shoulder roll, holding and all that stuff)...it's the opposite of what JMM does so no comparison really. And it's ridiculous for people to say that Floyd is a better counterpuncher than JMM because it's simply not. But If there's one thing very good about Floyd is his excellent defense because it enhances everything that he does inside the ring. His defense and ringsmarts is the kind of problem that he will pose against Pac and that's not something we really saw in a Pac-JMM fight.

Comments (20)

how did marquez get combo's off on floyd?

14y ago

straightleft

Floyd will never beat Pacquaio without his fake OST. He is too scared too fight Pac without his OST shield.

14y ago

903boxing

This. I expect Floyd to pound that midget. :fing02: Does anyone know the address to the Romanza Gym?

14y ago

MindBat

I think it's great to give Pacquiao a chance against Floyd 'cause it makes the fight that much more interesting and enticing. If Manny decides to ever step in the ring against Floyd he'll no doubt bring his best. On the other hand, it should be pretty obvious by now that if Floyd looked the least bit vulnerable in his last two outings, ALL of Team Pacquiao would be calling Floyd out, and Manny would even sing a song about it on Jimmy Kimmel Live. But hey, it is what it is.

14y ago

Reloaded

People would be suprised once Mayweather develops the courage to fight Manny. But Mayweather knows something his extreme fan don't. You got to be some kinda dumb retarded fuk , its common knowledge Manny Duckman is ducking the fight , you kids get no sympathy for being simpletons when truth is staring you in the eye .

14y ago

Reloaded

they cant handle the truth that Pac will annihilate Floyd Manny Duckman wont even fight him buhahahahaha , even now he is in a corner and Manny is trying to duck the fight , Manny is the biggest CWing cherry picking fraud in boxing .

14y ago

titanium

People would be suprised once Mayweather develops the courage to fight Manny. But Mayweather knows something his extreme fan don't.

14y ago

hugh_grant

That lazy assed boxer Floyd gets credit for what JMM is doing rather than what Floyd is prepared to do......typical of Floyd. Sorry the world dont work like that Floyd. JMM gets all the credit in the world for surpassing expectations and you get zilch credit the way it should be in the real world and reality. Not planet floyd.

14y ago

IronDanHamza

as a pac fan i favor floyd, if i were pac's team i'd study leonard vs mayweather senior he shows how to handle that that shoulder roll defense the problem is pac fights nothing like leonard Another problem is Mayweather Sr and Mayweather Jr are two different animals. It would be like Mayweather watching tapes of Bobby Pacquaio. And, just because Mayweather Sr uses the sholder roll defense and Leonard penetrated that defense it doesn't necessarily mean that that's the way it can be penetrated. If that was the case than any Mayweather Jr opponent would just have to watch tapes of Ian Napa and they would beat him. Mayweather is better than them at using it.

14y ago

IronDanHamza

When has Floyd ever threw 20 punches per round in a whole fight? Has Floyd ever threw 240 punches in an entire fight that lasted for 12 rounds? When Floyd counter with one punch, he usually does so to change his opponent/s balance or disrupt their movements. Floyd's favorite set up counter-punches are his left hook and straight right hand. Manny's constant in and out ambush attacks jumpy style may give Floyd all he can handle, but let's not act like Floyd is the type of Boxer to get hit by the same type of punches in a whole fight. It used to be 40. I guess now it's 20.

14y ago

IronDanHamza

Just because Marquez gives Pacquaio problems doesn't automatically mean Mayweather will. But, the reason Marquez gives Pacquaio problems, being a counter puncher, who attempts to make Pac miss and make him pay, wait for opportunities to strike, gives the idea that Mayweather is also a bad match up for Pacquaio. It seems that Pacquaio's glaring weaknesses are in corrleation with Mayweather's overwhelming strengths. It makes sense, really.

14y ago

Carpe_Diem

Responding with 1 punch at a time is not going to cut it against a fighter like Pac. Like i've stated in several threads.....Pac will win rounds on workrate alone whether he's punching Floyd's arms, shoulders, elbows, etc. Floyd will have to turn it up in order to compete. He's not going to win rounds throwing 20 punches a round. When has Floyd ever threw 20 punches per round in a whole fight? Has Floyd ever threw 240 punches in an entire fight that lasted for 12 rounds? When Floyd counter with one punch, he usually does so to change his opponent/s balance or disrupt their movements. Floyd's favorite set up counter-punches are his left hook and straight right hand. Manny's constant in and out ambush attacks jumpy style may give Floyd all he can handle, but let's not act like Floyd is the type of Boxer to get hit by the same type of punches in a whole fight.

14y ago

brick_wall

Now don't get me wrong because I'm not saying that Pac has better chances against Floyd than against JMM. All I'm saying is JMM posed a different problem to pac than what Floyd can cause. And I have no problem if people will say Pac will have bigger problems against Floyd than against JMM but you can't base it off from what you saw in a Pac-JMM fight. repost for people who are already accusing me of hating on floyd:bottle:

14y ago

brick_wall

lol, u seriously think manny wont get hit with floyd's lead right all nite just like he did against jmm?? that is the punch from jmm that had pac at a loss. it always has. nothing will change. fu saying hes gonna need both doesnt help your argument because just about everyone in the world considers him the best at both. well except for pac fans who look for hope. i'm not looking for hope dumbass...did you even read my opening post? i am not giving pac more chances against floyd than he did against jmm but i'm not like most of you who are already rejoicing as if the fight has already happened and floyd embarassed pac.

14y ago

boxingfan_123

as a pac fan i favor floyd, if i were pac's team i'd study leonard vs mayweather senior he shows how to handle that that shoulder roll defense the problem is pac fights nothing like leonard

14y ago

brick_wall

pre, dont overlook/underestimate that lead jab to the body by Floyd...ive seen that single punch alone stall MANY opponents the JMM fight, PAC fought a dumbass game plan...can't do that against Floyd...it would have to be a balls to the wall effort...more of the old PAC as far as aggression and fire yeah i agree...pac has to infuse more strategy in his fight plan to improve his chances against floyd. against jmm he just did the same mistake over and over again. i put some of the blame on roach...he relied too much on pac's explosiveness.

14y ago

brick_wall

i don't understand the violent reactions from some floyd fans...did i really say anything harsh against your idol?:ugh:

14y ago

Kagami_Taiga

that's fine with me if you think that way. but still it's different with jmm...his counterpunching alone is enough to put the brakes on pac. floyd will have to combine defense and counterpunching to do that imo. lol, u seriously think manny wont get hit with floyd's lead right all nite just like he did against jmm?? that is the punch from jmm that had pac at a loss. it always has. nothing will change. fu saying hes gonna need both doesnt help your argument because just about everyone in the world considers him the best at both. well except for pac fans who look for hope.

14y ago

Deevel916

And that's 1 of the reasons that he's easier to hit than Mayweather. Marquez has to leave himself open moreso than Mayweather and take more chances because he's not as accurate or efficient with his offense. Don't know why that's so hard for some of you to comprehend. The belief that fighters actually like getting hit is something that I just don't understand. Responding with 1 punch at a time is not going to cut it against a fighter like Pac. Like i've stated in several threads.....Pac will win rounds on workrate alone whether he's punching Floyd's arms, shoulders, elbows, etc. Floyd will have to turn it up in order to compete. He's not going to win rounds throwing 20 punches a round.

14y ago

brick_wall

More? No way. I would say counter punching, and defense, equally. He makes you miss, then makes you pay for missing. that's fine with me if you think that way. but still it's different with jmm...his counterpunching alone is enough to put the brakes on pac. floyd will have to combine defense and counterpunching to do that imo.

14y ago