out of 20 writers only one had Manny winning

PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ III AFTERMATH By Doveed Linder Linder looks at last night's scoring plus Tim Bradley Earlier this year, Nevada boxing judge Duane Ford told me a judge doesn’t score fights, he (or she) scores rounds. I was reminded of this statement after the third fight between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez Saturday night. When all was said and done, Pacquiao won a majority decuision by official scores of 116-112, 115-113 and 114-114. I was left with the impression that Pacquiao won the fight by a small margin, though I scored the fight six rounds apiece, or 114-114. The action was very close. With every round, I was looking for someone to do something of significance, which would make my job as an unofficial judge a little easier. At times, I scored rounds based on the strength of one or two meaningful punches, because that’s all I had to go by. One could make the argument that Pacquiao might have deserved a couple of extra rounds because he was the aggressor. But in my eyes, he wasn’t always an “effective aggressor” as HBO’s unofficial judge Harold Lederman seemed to believe. In fact, an argument could be made that Marquez deserved the decision. But the decision was in no way a robbery. This was a close fight that could have gone either way. The first two fights between Pacquiao and Marquez revealed some significant flaws in both fighters. Pacquiao had a tendency to get a little wild and overcommit himself, while Marquez was caught flush on a few occasions. This time around, it looked to me as if both fighters made a deliberate effort to correct those flaws. From what I saw, Pacquiao fought very controlled and within himself, which is why he wasn’t able to do any damage of significance. And Marquez looked as if he was trying very hard not to get caught by Pacquiao’s left hand, which could explain why he didn’t pick up the pace when it seemed he needed to. To me, Marquez’s legs appeared unsteady throughout the fight. And in my opinion, if Pacquiao had made it a wild and physical fight, he could have gotten to him, though he would have paid a price for his troubles. Instead, both fighters fought at a fairly measured pace (though the action was very entertaining) in a fight that will leave fans debating as to who deserved the victory. All in all, this was another very good fight between two great fighters. The ending was satisfying, but not gratifying. And if these two were to meet again, I think we would have another close fight, where the judges would favor the fighter with the eye-catching style and household name. Shortly after the fight, there was talk of a fourth encounter, which doesn’t necessarily appeal to me. We already know how these two fighters match up. And if a fourth fight doesn’t happen, I hope Juan Manuel Marquez retires. He could still win a few more fights. And if he chooses to fight again, so be it. But I would prefer that he leave the party on a strong note, opposed to seeing him get knocked off by some young lion like Brandon Rios. As for Pacquiao, obviously, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is the biggest thing out there for him. But given how close the action was between Pacquiao and Marquez, I think Pacquiao-Mayweather has lost some steam. I’ve been going back and forth on this issue for the past two and a half years. One moment, I think it might be a competitive fight. But when you use the “Marquez gauge” (which I think is a very revealing gauge), I can see how it could be a wipeout in favor of Mayweather. Honestly, as a fan, I just don’t care anymore. In my eyes, the fight isn’t as juicy as it once was. I hope they fight. But if they don’t, I won’t lose any sleep over it. What a beautiful post and I feel the same way on Márquez retiring now. I also think the hype for the Mayweather/Pacquiao peaked between late 2009 and May 2010. If the fight had been signed right after Cotto/Pacquiao or Mosley/Mayweather, the fight would've been incredible, ever since it's lost steam, even MORE so now that Márquez made Pacquiao look so bad. But in boxing, you never know. The fact is that there isn't as much interest in it as before...

i dunno dude what to tell u anymore dude how bout u go to my thread and write down all ur time stamp of each round why u think marquez should have won? and write down ur reasons why u gave that round to marquez then we can have a good argument that marquez should have won but if u cant make one and try to prove ur point that he should have just won then 6 words i can say just stick to s@cking JMMs d!ck b!tch make it 7 i meant so ur like marquez should have won coz writers say so :lol1: oh here :bottle::bottle: cry some more actually no but what I am saying moron is that most of the writers there ringside had JMM winning handily to which you alluded to them being influenced because they didn't want to face the ire of Mexicans throwing bottles as if the fans there would know what each one of them scored as it happened so kindly fukk off you dumb piece of sh1t

I understand what youre saying. My race doesnt have a boxing background though. But just wanted to ask. What other fighters do you like? Only Filipino boxers.............just kidding. Miguel Cotto, Sergio Martinez, BHOP, Adamek, Berto, Bradley, Alexander, Donaire, Pavlik, and others.

not really a CLEAR pacquaio win , but it is a win.....7-5 pacman....quit b1tching already...

Not even Jinky thought her man won.

See that is one of the hardest thing about being a Filipino who roots for a Filipino boxers. Its OK for Mexicans or Puerto Ricans but its not for Filipinos. If we scored it for a Filipino boxers, its because were the same nationality. Watching the fight, i paid close attention to both what fighters were doing. At the end, 7-5 for Pac. I believed he did more than JMM. It was a back and forth fight. The last round at the beginning, both were not doing much until the last minute. Pac attacked, landed punches, and did better in the last minute. That round gave the Pac win for me. If JMM did more, he could have won that round and have a draw in my scorecard. JMM let the 12th slipped away, if he did more and won, it would be a draw. The 114-114 would be 115-113 Marquez, the 115-113 would be 114-114, and the 116-112 would be 115-113 for Pac. During Pac fights, the commentators said that the judges might gave it to Pac because of the roar of the crowd. Well, you can say this to the media, they probably got swayed by the crowd. A crowd that was mostly JMM. I understand what youre saying. My race doesnt have a boxing background though. But just wanted to ask. What other fighters do you like?

just as i said if u claim pac won that night wherever u post people is gonna call u a pactard they dont want to lose any credibility as a writer so its safer for them to say marquez won and just go along wherever the wind blows if those writers rewatch the watch closely and review it good round by round without people cheering Woooo oooowwss every single punch that marquez land i bet they be able to annalize it right this time... do u hear pacquiao! pacquiao! cheering on the crowd during rounds? said that because just wanna tell u how many mexicans fans where out there live that night See that is one of the hardest thing about being a Filipino who roots for a Filipino boxers. Its OK for Mexicans or Puerto Ricans but its not for Filipinos. If we scored it for a Filipino boxers, its because were the same nationality. Watching the fight, i paid close attention to both what fighters were doing. At the end, 7-5 for Pac. I believed he did more than JMM. It was a back and forth fight. The last round at the beginning, both were not doing much until the last minute. Pac attacked, landed punches, and did better in the last minute. That round gave the Pac win for me. If JMM did more, he could have won that round and have a draw in my scorecard. JMM let the 12th slipped away, if he did more and won, it would be a draw. The 114-114 would be 115-113 Marquez, the 115-113 would be 114-114, and the 116-112 would be 115-113 for Pac. During Pac fights, the commentators said that the judges might gave it to Pac because of the roar of the crowd. Well, you can say this to the media, they probably got swayed by the crowd. A crowd that was mostly JMM.

just as i said if u claim pac won that night wherever u post people is gonna call u a pactard they dont want to lose any credibility as a writer so its safer for them to say marquez won and just go along wherever the wind blows if those writers rewatch the watch closely and review it good round by round without people cheering Woooo oooowwss every single punch that marquez land i bet they be able to annalize it right this time... do u hear pacquiao! pacquiao! cheering on the crowd during rounds? said that because just wanna tell u how many mexicans fans where out there live that night you really believe all this crap you just wrote? you think every writer who scored it for JMM did so because they didn't want to face the ire of Pacquiao fans? man this board is just a mess now

LOL at ESPN. They showed Fat Rafael's scorecard, from what they show, it was 7-5 for Pac. Now they changed it after to a draw since the sentiment of the most of the media and outcry of the fans.

jesus christ, you didn't actually watch the whole rounds on slo-mo did you? makes me feel nauseated just thinking about it Watched it and every caption. Every punches landed by both to each other are accurate.

You can't deny evidence. Real boxing fans after watching this videos most likely will change their opinion that this fight actually was far from a robbery. Take note every caption in this videos. Round 1 - even round Round 2 - Pac clearly dominated Marquez in this round by landing more punches. Round 3 - Pac clearly dominated Marquez in this round by landing more punches. jesus christ, you didn't actually watch the whole rounds on slo-mo did you? makes me feel nauseated just thinking about it

u know how many bottles mexican fans gonna throw at u if u say paq won that night? dude most people inside the arena is just like us watching that big screen that's just plain stupid it's not like they announced on the PA "Steve Kim scored it for JMM" you dimwit

You can't deny this hard evidence. Real boxing fans after watching this videos most likely will change their opinion that this fight actually was far from a robbery. Take note every caption in this videos. Round 1 - even round Round 2 - Pac clearly dominated Marquez in this round by landing more punches. Round 3 - Pac clearly dominated Marquez in this round by landing more punches.

B0xingtalk website's Greg Leon had Pacquiao winning. This guy has Pacquiao winning: DAILY BREAD PACQUIAO/MARQUEZ EDITION By Stephen "Breadman" Edwards One Question-- Did Juan Manuel Marquez Get Robbed ????? Bread’s Response: No, he didn’t get robbed. He lost a close tough fight again. It’s almost like he keeps losing by a mili-second in an Olympic sprint. I actually feel bad for Marquez. Honestly I don’t think he won (I scored it 115-113 for Manny Pacquiao) but I wouldn’t have complained if Marquez got the decision. looking at the list provided those guys were there watching the fight live I dont think "Breadman" or G were there in attendance also Steve Kim there live had it JMM 115-113 Gabe Montoya there live had it 116-112 JMM Luis Sandoval there live had it 115-113 JMM Ryan Burton had it a draw so that's four more writers there live who didn't see Manny winning

HAHAHA, effective punches my ass... After 36 rounds, JMM doesn't have a KD on Pac. Ali didn't effective punches on Frazier Norton didn't land any effective punches on Ali Morales didn't land any effective punches on Barrera Morales didn't and any effective punches on Pacquiao .... because we all know effective punches = KD

So how the hell can Manny or anybody with a straight face argue that this was a clear Pacquiao win? and the one writer who had Manny winning had him barely winning. Yet we are supposed to believe that Manny clearly won? Okay let's get it slowly but surely. Pacquiao scored NO Knockdowns in this fight. Knockdowns proved important in scoring for their previous fights. Which means he won more rounds than their previous fights. I read some well argumented opinions on this forum that had Pac winning 7-8 rounds. One judge saw a definite win for Pac. One judge saw a close win for Pac. One judge saw a draw. No judge saw Marquez win. Compare this to Pac-Marquez I (3kds by Pac): 115-110 Pac 113-113 D 110-115 Marq Pac-Marquez II (1kd by pac): 115-112 Pac 112-115 Marq 114-113 Pac Pac-Marquez III (NO kd by pac): 116-112 Pac 115-113 Pac 114-114 D FACT: Their 3rd fight is the most decisive win for Pac yet.

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wow who said pacman landed no clean shots.

lol@a draw

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