One thing that was made clear over the weekend

I don't think this is a triangle theory issue. It's a styles issue. Floyd is a bigger, faster, stronger version of Marquez. Pacquiao was supposed to be such an "improved" fighter since Pac vs Marquez 2, but that clearly was proven wrong. Imagine Floyd in there with Pac. the only thing that Marquez and Floyd have in common is that they both like to counter punch.. their styles are nothing alike.

if the floyd that fought ortiz fights pac then i feel pac has a much better chance at beating him. in the ortiz fight mayweather was for the most part fighting aggressive and coming forward (not circling like marquez and mosley did). if floyd fights aggressive against pac instead of playing it safe and sticking to boxing then he'll be catering more to pac's style...imo it would be like duran vs leonard I where leonard chose to be aggressive rather than out box duran.

Is that Floyd beats Manny, comfortably. Triangle theories, etc I know you know.. For Floyd to win comfortably, he would have to jab more throwing more combos to keep Manny unset and distant. Manny needs to stay busy, stay in the pocket. His angled punches will benefit him in the inside. Whose faster (footwork and punchwise) will be determined in the first couple of rounds. If the pace of the fight is fast Manny wins, if slow Floyd. IMHO

there is a big flaw in Pac game that nobody has caught yet into JMM made it even more clear for all to see and its not Pac being not able to cut off the ring its something esle anybody with some boxing knowledge should be able to guess what it is lol, pacquiao doesn't cut off the ring, simple as that, he doesn't even force fighters to the ropes, they go willingly, whether due to getting mentally imposed or physically too tired to move their feet he likes to get his hits in from a distance, as far as he can despite his small reach i dont see it as an issue, he usually catches you on the turn anyway

there is a big flaw in Pac game that nobody has caught yet into JMM made it even more clear for all to see and its not Pac being not able to cut off the ring its something esle anybody with some boxing knowledge should be able to guess what it is It's an obvious flaw that Manny's handler's are fully aware of. Floyd would exploit that and more all night long.

there is a big flaw in Pac game that nobody has caught yet into JMM made it even more clear for all to see and its not Pac being not able to cut off the ring its something esle anybody with some boxing knowledge should be able to guess what it is

that's the stategy i expect floyd to do , move a lot and pick his shots, and there is a good possibilty, as floyd has a tendency of being overly defensive, he'd get beat in activity alone. Pacquiao takes his beating either way, be it Floyd walks him down or chooses to box.

You type this nonsense but will be quiet as a churchmouse when it gets refuted. It makes perfect sense to me....the stuff that others spout out about ..."based on this fight, I know this other guy would whoop so and so" is the unfounded presumptuous commentary that gets spilled out on a daily basis. Just because some body doesn't look as impressive as people thought they should look, their opponent is compared to a third party and the results of this fantasy fight are vicariously derived from what they just saw. Just as other have said: just because two guys are good at counter punching, that in no way, means they fight similar or would have mirror image results against common opponents. Their entire posture and approach to fighting is completely different, so are their mentalities...that is not nonsense but obvious and is a statement of facts used to both illustrate my point and edify the basis for my prior post. :biggthump

Fixed it fo u No you didn't. Marquez never did this to Floyd ... http://www.cfnews13.com/images/apimages/APTOPIX_Pacquiao_Marquez_Boxing.sff-950a2a55-9fcb-49bd-b8ca-68e464025650.jpg http://www.15rounds.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Pacquiao_Marquez_111112_003a.jpg http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/reuters/2011-11-13t055530z_1_btre7ac0ggn00_rtroptp_3_boxing-pacquiao.grid-6x3.jpg

How so? Does Floyd use uppercuts lie JMM did? Does Floyd throw 5 and 6 punch combinations on a regular basis? Does Floyd lean in and duck under punches or does he lean away from punches and turn (which takes away his ability to shoot counters around Pac's combinations)? Just because a guy has a certain weakness, it would prove vital to look at exactly how those weaknesses were exploited. Throwing one counter punch at a time and slipping a punch is not going to win you any fight against Pac. His activity alone will swamp you- unless you are able to trade with Pac and effectively counter will doing it, anyone is going to have a very hard night. Based on what? Who has he fought with a style remotely like that to assure you that it wouldn't work?

I think comparing Castillo to Margarito is a poor comparison. Castillo is a better boxer. I'm not using triangle theories people. That's amateur hour. I'm simply saying I think Floyd has the tools that are similar to Marquez and more to beat Pac. In general, Pac struggles with counterpunching boxers with a good jab and right hand (Morales, Marquez, etc). There's nothing wrong with saying that. Just as good as Marquez compared to Mayweather.

So going by your theory. Floyd strugled with Castillo and argubaly lost the first fight. Margarito is bigger stronger tougher version of Castillo he would have beat Mayweather. Is that right? With his plaster, yes.

It's not down to the fact Marquez is a counter puncher and had success so Mayweather will. It's down to the fact that it seems that Pacquaio seems to have a weakness to someone having the ability to make him miss and make him pay. It seems that Pacquaio isn't overly comfortable with opponents who don't want to engage with him. To me, Mayweather is able to pull this kind of thing off better than anyone Pacquaio has faced. For me, it all comes down to Pacquaio's glaring weaknesses are met by Mayweather overwhelming ability to exploit them. Which is why I think Mayweather wins with relative ease. This all without the fact that Mayweather is faster, more skilled, better defensively, better natural gifts than anyone Pacquaio has ever faced. Along with other tangents such as having the longer reach, being the bigger man etc. But that's just my opinon.

So going by your theory. Floyd strugled with Castillo and argubaly lost the first fight. Margarito is bigger stronger tougher version of Castillo he would have beat Mayweather. Is that right? I think comparing Castillo to Margarito is a poor comparison. Castillo is a better boxer. I'm not using triangle theories people. That's amateur hour. I'm simply saying I think Floyd has the tools that are similar to Marquez and more to beat Pac. In general, Pac struggles with counterpunching boxers with a good jab and right hand (Morales, Marquez, etc). There's nothing wrong with saying that.

I dont know why anyone gave Pacquiao a chance in the first place

I don't think this is a triangle theory issue. It's a styles issue. Floyd is a bigger, faster, stronger version of Marquez. Pacquiao was supposed to be such an "improved" fighter since Pac vs Marquez 2, but that clearly was proven wrong. Imagine Floyd in there with Pac. So going by your theory. Floyd strugled with Castillo and argubaly lost the first fight. Margarito is bigger stronger tougher version of Castillo he would have beat Mayweather. Is that right?

i dont get how people figure this, do you idiots just think, well, marquez is a counter puncher...and so is floyd, well so is bernard hopkins, so is roy jones marquez fights nothing like mayweather you twat You can't explain this to some people...."if JMM can do it, then we know Floyd can...just look at what Floyd did to JMM" LOL......:nonono:

i dont get how people figure this, do you idiots just think, well, marquez is a counter puncher...and so is floyd, well so is bernard hopkins, so is roy jones marquez fights nothing like mayweather you twat I'm not claiming he's a clone of Floyd. Where it matters, they are very similar. Avoiding shots, counterpunching, movement. What else does Marquez have the troubles Pac? Jab? Check. Left hook? Check. Right hand? Check. Floyd can fight in the pocket just as well if not better than Marquez. Thanks for the name calling btw. Very mature.:boxing:

Thought that was obvious against Mosley.

Is that Floyd beats Manny, comfortably. How so? Does Floyd use uppercuts lie JMM did? Does Floyd throw 5 and 6 punch combinations on a regular basis? Does Floyd lean in and duck under punches or does he lean away from punches and turn (which takes away his ability to shoot counters around Pac's combinations)? Just because a guy has a certain weakness, it would prove vital to look at exactly how those weaknesses were exploited. Throwing one counter punch at a time and slipping a punch is not going to win you any fight against Pac. His activity alone will swamp you- unless you are able to trade with Pac and effectively counter will doing it, anyone is going to have a very hard night.