Pac fought w/o PED's and look what happened

But your idea of weight drained is 1 pound and your idea of washed up is losing 1 fight so yeah your opinion means dog shhiitt. Weight drained can be 1 pound , if it is 1 pound under your personal lowest limit , and under that limit will hurt you just same as 5 lb under your comfortable limit , everybody has their own scale and it has a comfortable zone and sliding scale of both up and down , from where we sit we can only observe the end result and then evaluate whether the fighter was drained or not , we base that on his previous fights and what his weight and how did he performed at that weight and against who , and then compare that to the drained state , no power , no snap and becomes a lumbering slow fighter in the stretch , their punch resistance will alter as well ,,,, so yes 1 lb can definitely hurt you . The worst case of Mannys opponents being weight drained was ODH , whether it was his choice or not is irrelevant when regarding the merit of the win , nobody is taking the win away just putting it into perspective , the win is nothing that Manny can brag about because he beat a totally dehydrated drained fighter , going from 145 at the weigh-in to 147 for the fight only after IV fluid infusions is PROOF Oscar was weight drained badly . Oscar weighed in at 154 vs Floyd and was 160 on the night while Floyd was 147 ,,,, now compare that to the Oscar Manny fought ,,, Im not Manny bashing Im telling you how it is if you dont believe the actual facts and figures thats your fault , and you will see Floyd totally own him because of things Im saying not in spite of them .

:nonono: manny couldn't snap his head at all

pac is a bum

Lol... ya'll are trying too hard. So nobody is going to accuse Marquez of juicing... nobody? The same people who pointed out every little thing on Pacquiao to say he's juicing are turning a blind eye to JMM? lulz... ohhh u gais are hilarious!

Why would he not juice up if there was no "special testing"? The Marquez fight was supposed to be a measure of Manny's abilities w/o PED's. If he would've performed well he wouldnt have a problem agreeing to random testing. But since he didnt we are stuck with him dodging floyd again.

Before the fight PAC and Arum announced that there were no problems with random testing. He jumped into the ring with Marquez clean (No PED's) and had a reality check. No way they fight Mayweather fair and square now!!! Ariza afterwards in a statement quickly reminded him that when he does it Ariza's way (PED's) he runs over guys like a Mack truck and when he does it clean he is exposed for the hype job he really is. So we fans can definitely forget about the random testing thing. PAC vs JMM clearly showed what a clean PAC would look like. That fight was clearly a test of how PAC would fair in a fair fight free of drugs. Don't be surprised if he gets juiced up for the next fight and he runs clean thru JMM. Mark my words!!! Why would he not juice up if there was no "special testing"?

Nothing to do with PEDS , Manny fought a guy that wasnt washed up or weight drained , they learned the difference beyween draining a fighter and forcing one up , when you go up you are stronger just slower it wont hurt you like being forced below your weight , the CWs finally caught up to their cherry picking ass . Style Match ups >>> Catchweights The catchweights IMO have always been a stupid excuse considering each guy he fought at a catchweight AGREED to the fight weight. De La Hoya in his own words "Ill fight Pac at 147". Cotto also states "I had no problem with the weight", and mind you Cotto weighed 146 in Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley fights. Margarito fought at a heavier weight than he'd fought in years against Pac (I believe he only had 1 or 2 fights at 154), if anything that helped him out more than him trying to make 147. It's just funny because guys like Oscar De La Hoya and Sugar Ray Leonard each fought in memorable catchweight fights, yet does history ridicule them? Henry Armstrong fought catchweight fights in the 30s when he was moving up, but yea, he's not regarded as anything.

Nothing to do with PEDS , Manny fought a guy that wasnt washed up or weight drained , they learned the difference beyween draining a fighter and forcing one up , when you go up you are stronger just slower it wont hurt you like being forced below your weight , the CWs finally caught up to their cherry picking ass . But your idea of weight drained is 1 pound and your idea of washed up is losing 1 fight so yeah your opinion means dog shhiitt.

Nothing to do with PEDS , Manny fought a guy that wasnt washed up or weight drained , they learned the difference beyween draining a fighter and forcing one up , when you go up you are stronger just slower it wont hurt you like being forced below your weight , the CWs finally caught up to their cherry picking ass .

Steroids did Vargas a lot of good LOL

Apperently there are half wits on this board that don't realize that there were two other fights between pac and Marquez and both those fights were just as close? Seriously I swear some of you needle dicks started watching boxing just yesterday.

http://www.uci.edu/features/2009/09/images/bodyquirk_090914_01_msk_a472x315.jpg

maybe jmm just has the better drugs now. I mean he's the one working with a guy who admitted to creating 20 undetectable drugs, what's the point of even asking for a drug test? you know, if we're going to do this....why assume marquez was clean, maybe the next fight will be on an even playing field? Heredia vs Ariza? styles make fights, jmm and pac just mesh well for an entertaining bout.

I personally do not to want think he uses anything but what can you say when you opponent is 6yrs older and gave you a ride... Like something biologically has to be wrong with you Manny and i could be a price paid for using substances.

It could also be those wars pacquiao has had now hes lost his legs. Simple.

here we go....

I agree.