If JMM is better than Manny, can he beat current Cotto or Margarito?

I agree that styles make fights... Marquez can beat neither of them. Transitive property does not apply to boxing

EITHER U ARE A WOMAN, A KID, OR U HAVE TO BE JOKING SO UR TELLING ME IF U KNEW A GUY HAD KO POWER UD ALLOW HIM TO HIT U AND KNOCK U THE FK OUT JUST SO U CAN PROVE A POINT TO A FAN WHO JACKS OFF AND SCREAMS AT A COMPUTER ALL DAY????????????:rofl: See, thats what you dont get. At some point in a fight, a counterpuncher must change places and attack. Counterpunchers like Mayweather and Jones dont go backwards all night, they always end up attacking... And thats what JMM did last sat. He never assumed the attack, never took risks, never once planted a flag on the "area of combat",,,,, he was just satisfied with taking what Pac gave him... Is that what warriors do??? Would JCC do that? You must be young,,, go learn some boxing and come back. He's obviously a troll, nobody can be this stupid. I'm done....

Styles make fights people, when will you finally catch on? JMM just has the perfect style and approach to counter Manny's strengths, but I don't think that'd be the case with the guys you mention. Cotto's jab and body work would be a problem for Marquez. If JMM couldn't keep Katsidis off of him, what do you think the massive Margarito would do? Tony would eat his punches like skittles and smother him. And if Clottey fought smart, that fight would look a lot like Floyd-JMM with Joshua in his shell pot shotting. Plus all those guys would be 160-165 lbs in the ring. Again, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. Just because Manny matches up well with those guys and destroyed/dominated them doesn't mean Marquez would. That's not taking anything away from him, just is what it is.

Listen little boy, I call it how I see it... Did JMM not say that he was going for the knockout? Did he not say he didnt want to leave it to the judges this time??? Then when the fight started did he try to engage Pac at all?? Even once??? He ran back because he feared to get knocked out... Thats the truth. And you want to make yourself believe JMM won because he landed a few flush shots and he survived all the while Pac was pressing the action all damn night??? You people are truly killing the sport... Please die. Pac doesnt really do **** all night except chase, gets countered all night, but he should win right? He came forward right? LOL. You can shut your ass now.

Styles make fights.Styles make fights.Style makes fights.Styles make fights. It all depends on the fight weight.I have them all at 147 if they ever fought. Margarito would pummel marquez with that pressure.Even at 147 if he could of still made it.He would rehydrate to the max speaking.On top of that I don't think marquez's reach would even reach margarito :lol1: :lol1:. Clottey would PROBABLY get outpointed.He isn't active enough to throw a high volume,would go into nutshell mode,and let the rest drag 12 rounds to snoozer. I actually like the fight with cotto/marquez.Especially with the way he looked.Cotto has never been outboxed and can sure make 147 comfortable.This is as tachtical as both of them can get.But i'd have to go with cotto.More experience with bigger men through his career so fighting a smaller fighter should not cause him too much trouble.He has the power to make a difference also but I think a W in this fight lies on who brings the better game plan.

I think a Marg fight would be easier for JMM than a Cotto fight. Cotto is a much better boxer than Marg, and he too is quite a good counter puncher. The Marg fight would possibly look a little like PAC vs JMM 3 did, in that JMM would be using foot work and countering all night instead of getting lured into a brawl. 9 times out a 10 a good skilled boxer beats a good brawler.

EITHER U ARE A WOMAN, A KID, OR U HAVE TO BE JOKING SO UR TELLING ME IF U KNEW A GUY HAD KO POWER UD ALLOW HIM TO HIT U AND KNOCK U THE FK OUT JUST SO U CAN PROVE A POINT TO A FAN WHO JACKS OFF AND SCREAMS AT A COMPUTER ALL DAY????????????:rofl: So you're telling me if you wanted to impress judges and win a fight you would be satisfied with backpeddling all fight long, appear afraid to engage, and let your opponent press the fight and expect to win? Go watch ballet.

i think cotto's stiff jab and body work will bother jmm... margs will walk jmm down.... jmm will outclass shane at this point... clottey would be a close tactical match (people sleep on clottey)... i honestly dont even think jmm can beat a drained oscar... and this is not a knock on jmm, its more stylistically speaking. either way, jmm is a mexican great... and his greatness may be arguably parallel to pac... but pac's accomplishments are pretty solid, and i just dont see jmm doing what pac did. Great key points.

Triangle teories don't work. Totally different style and a fighter that his fighting weight is at the lower weights

See, thats what you dont get. At some point in a fight, a counterpuncher must change places and attack. Counterpunchers like Mayweather and Jones dont go backwards all night, they always end up attacking... And thats what JMM did last sat. He never assumed the attack, never took risks, never once planted a flag on the "area of combat",,,,, he was just satisfied with taking what Pac gave him... Is that what warriors do??? Would JCC do that? You must be young,,, go learn some boxing and come back. That is the biggest BS I have ever heard. He did not strictly counterpunch in any of the fights, he doesn't just wait for openings. He is way more offensive than Jones and Mayweather were in their career. The reason why Pac struggles so much is because JMM attacks him, he mixes it up so Pacquiao doesn't know if he is coming or going, and that messes up Pac's timing and rythm. I could elobrate more but I have to go, crappy analysis...you have very little idea of what you are talking about, just regurgitating.

Margarito eats punches for dinner. He doesn't have to play defense. He walks right through you. Marquez will have to have the stamina of a horse and keep moving. Backpedaling alone won't do it. And once Marg catches him on the ropes I'd be surprised if he survives Marg's onslaught. As for Cotto and Clottey, it's the same thing with Margs. Marquez doesn't have the power to KO both. He might outscore both, but I doubt he would survive if they catch him. :usa:

at what weight??? margartio cant make 147 and i dont know if cotto can go back to that weight both with a doubt would be drained at 144

For the record I never called this fight a robbery, I had JMM winning it 115-113 but never once was bitter about this loss. As a matter of fact I predicted Pac ko's him in under 8 and I was very wrong. JMM could have never backed him up because it's their styles and that's the part you don't get. It's like the first 6 rounds of the Marg vs Cotto fight, even though Cotto was going backwards he was winning every round. Just because you go backwards does not mean your losing the fight, that is a ridiculous statement and that's not what boxing is about. If that was the case, then Mayweather would have 20 losses on his record. Face it, JMM schooled your boy. He took him to the Romanza school of counter punching and he couldn't deal. By the way, tell him to stay as far away from Mayweather as possible. Retire, become governor or whatever province and ride off into the sunset because Mayweather will do what JMM did but worse with more speed and power. See, thats what you dont get. At some point in a fight, a counterpuncher must change places and attack. Counterpunchers like Mayweather and Jones dont go backwards all night, they always end up attacking... And thats what JMM did last sat. He never assumed the attack, never took risks, never once planted a flag on the "area of combat",,,,, he was just satisfied with taking what Pac gave him... Is that what warriors do??? Would JCC do that? You must be young,,, go learn some boxing and come back.

In this case it was aggression vs. counter punching and the aggressor outpointed the counter puncher... The counter puncher was spectacular but did not do enough to win... The counter puncher showed more signs of damage which reflect the stats that the aggressor did out point him, hence winning the game on points. what do you mean by out pointed?

Tell me this, just this. If JMM was the one backing PAC up all damn night, would he have won? Pac won, 3-0, get over it essay. For the record I never called this fight a robbery, I had JMM winning it 115-113 but never once was bitter about this loss. As a matter of fact I predicted Pac ko's him in under 8 and I was very wrong. JMM could have never backed him up because it's their styles and that's the part you don't get. It's like the first 6 rounds of the Marg vs Cotto fight, even though Cotto was going backwards he was winning every round. Just because you go backwards does not mean your losing the fight, that is a ridiculous statement and that's not what boxing is about. If that was the case, then Mayweather would have 20 losses on his record. Face it, JMM schooled your boy. He took him to the Romanza school of counter punching and he couldn't deal. By the way, tell him to stay as far away from Mayweather as possible. Retire, become governor of whatever province and ride off into the sunset because Mayweather will do what JMM did but worse with more speed and power.

What's killing the sport is ignorant part time fans like you that need to learn the sport of boxing. Aggression isn't the only thing you need to look at in determining a winner. JMM counter punched beautifully and SCHOOLED Pac. He would have been stupid to come forward and given Pac a chance to KO him. Everyone who watches any boxing knows Pac has the advantage in just about every physical category between the two. Speed, power, quickness, footwork and possibly endurance. Yet JMM managed to win rounds with his BOXING, his counter punching and intelligence. This isn't some back street brawl or MMA, this is the sweet science. Willie Pep used to win rounds and throw 1 or 2 punches. JMM and Nacho implemented a game plan that Roach and Pac had nothing for. JMM should have been ahead on the score cards and understood that he couldn't give Pac even a knock down or he would have no chance in winning this fight. Listen, I suggest you watch some youtube videos of boxing for about 10 years then come back and talk to grown folks who know something about boxing. Tell me this, just this. If JMM was the one backing PAC up all damn night, would he have won? Pac won, 3-0, get over it essay.

Umm,,,, about from the first round till the end of the 12th... Oh thats right,,, its called "creating space",,,,lol Show me one instance, just once, that JMM showed some balls and came foward..... You don't understand boxing. Go away.

i dont think so...havent seen anything that convinces me he can hang with way bigger guys....

In this case it was aggression vs. counter punching and the aggressor outpointed the counter puncher... The counter puncher was spectacular but did not do enough to win... The counter puncher showed more signs of damage which reflect the stats that the aggressor did out point him, hence winning the game on points. See I have no problem with this analogy but the thought that aggression and ONLY aggression is the way to win is ridiculous. Harold Lederman was off in saying what he said and people need to learn boxing. I agree with your stance though and have no problem with that even though I asked this question before and I will ask it again. If the roles were reversed, meaning Manny did what JMM did and vice versa, I still think they give the fight to Manny and even think Manny KO's JMM with those clean shots. I mean JMM was landing right hand bombs and Manny was taking them like nothing but they were landing.

The fact that this is a serious thread is just sad. JMM fought Manny three times and for the millionth time styles make fights. Cotto losing to Marquez, WTF? Anyone thinking it would be close is just idiotic, Cotto comes in weighing 160+ and Marquez has been on his ass from LW's. Is Marquez going to throw 70+ punches around and push Cotto back? What "counter-puncher" or "boxer" has Cotto lost too? Then you guys have the nerve to say Clottey is a tougher fight... The guy who has lost to Manny, Marg and Cotto already would be the toughest fight for Marquez? Idiots, plain and simple.