So...Pac has to MAKE the fight and get sh!ted on for that???

El Pacman is right! If you want to beat the champ you gotta do it in fashion. Judges will never score a close fight in the contender's favor. Fight could have been a draw but this would have cancelled the MAY fight!

again you don't win by counter punching alone. simply impossible. it doesn't sound logical. marquez didn't win that fight. he simply survived. :bigeyes:

It makes me sick to see how many people are defending this decision. Pacquiao is not what we thought he was. He definitly does not deserve the #1 p4p spot. His last challenge was cotto. Even then he had an advantage. From diaz til now... His career was a sham.

pac was the aggressor AND he landed more punches. that's what it takes to win close rounds, its been like that FOR YEARS. look at marquez's face after the fight and tell me who got tagged more. So by your logic, Marquez won the first 2 fights right?

if Marquez didn't want to fight how did he win dumb ass? Mosley didn't want to fight and Pac won a land slide decision rightfully so. Marquez neutralized Pac's left. TS is angry because Pac has to be the aggressor? THAT'S HIS STYLE you imbecile and he was very poor at it against Marquez where as Marquez did a very good job as a counter puncher. Absolutely right ... this was a clash of styles, none of them is necessarily better than the other, they're just different. In this fight Manny was terrible as an aggressor, while Marquez was superb as a counter puncher.

marquez lost and deservedly so. the only thing he can claim victory on is not getting pummelled or hospitalized Is this Guy serious?

if Marquez didn't want to fight how did he win dumb ass? Mosley didn't want to fight and Pac won a land slide decision rightfully so. Marquez neutralized Pac's left. TS is angry because Pac has to be the aggressor? THAT'S HIS STYLE you imbecile and he was very poor at it against Marquez where as Marquez did a very good job as a counter puncher.

pac didn't really have to play the aggressor. but he had to because no one else will. in the mosley fight he had an almost impeccable defense and was forced to because of leg cramps. well, he lets the opponent hit him to make him open up every now and then. so yes, he can fight defensively if he wants to, but the big responsibility of making the fight lies on his shoulders. :bigeyes:

I understand that there are so many haters who only want to sh!t on Pac, but you can't ignore the clear fact that, Pac is always the aggressor. When he fights a counter puncher like JMM and Fraud Jr. Who do you think will make the fight? JMM actually playing the aggressor? Fraud Jr. moving forward on the attack? HAH! Both know they get KO'd if they do that, so they sit tight, wait for Manny to attack and then do their thing. You guys hate on Pac, but if Pac was a counter puncher himself, you guys would be hating that all he does is sit around and do jack sh!t until his opponent makes a move. Pac said it himself, JMM doesn't want to fight. He's waiting on him to do something. What do you think is gonna happen? http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/you-should-kill-yourself-animated.gif

Why do people nowadays think that boxing is just going forward throwing punches like there was no future? Boxing is an art and a science, it's not just wildly throwing punches! Aggression counts, yeah, but when it's effective aggression! When you go forward and get hit all the time and you're not able to land the harder shots, you lose! This is wtf pissed me off about Ledderman!! All he kept saying was how he preferred the aggression. He should've had his scorecard completed before the fight even started if that's the case, because Marquez will outsmart you and land some UGLY shots while going backwards. He landed the MUCH BETTER shots all night!..I jumped like 4ft in the air when he first landed that left uppercut right cross combo!..and Harold Ledderman somehow found a reason to give that round to Pacquiao..SMFH!..

yes there are a lot of haters and a lot of pactards like yourself, you honestly have no idea what boxing is 1 you don't have to be the aggressor to win a fight (was whitaker an aggressor?) 2 why would marquez play into manny's game you want marquez to drop his style just for manny 3 marquez never seem hurt or stunned, manny was stunned 4 marquez didn't want to fight he came here to box and he outboxed manny 5 I saw streams from chile and uk both networks said marquez won pac was the aggressor AND he landed more punches. that's what it takes to win close rounds, its been like that FOR YEARS. look at marquez's face after the fight and tell me who got tagged more.

Why do people nowadays think that boxing is just going forward throwing punches like there was no future? Boxing is an art and a science, it's not just wildly throwing punches! Aggression counts, yeah, but when it's effective aggression! When you go forward and get hit all the time and you're not able to land the harder shots, you lose! Sweet Science almost always loses in a close fight if you are the challenger. Think about it.

Why do people nowadays think that boxing is just going forward throwing punches like there was no future? Boxing is an art and a science, it's not just wildly throwing punches! Aggression counts, yeah, but when it's effective aggression! When you go forward and get hit all the time and you're not able to land the harder shots, you lose!

I understand that there are so many haters who only want to sh!t on Pac, but you can't ignore the clear fact that, Pac is always the aggressor. When he fights a counter puncher like JMM and Fraud Jr. Who do you think will make the fight? JMM actually playing the aggressor? Fraud Jr. moving forward on the attack? HAH! Both know they get KO'd if they do that, so they sit tight, wait for Manny to attack and then do their thing. You guys hate on Pac, but if Pac was a counter puncher himself, you guys would be hating that all he does is sit around and do jack sh!t until his opponent makes a move. Pac said it himself, JMM doesn't want to fight. He's waiting on him to do something. What do you think is gonna happen? So much self pity in this post it left no room for logic.

yes there are a lot of haters and a lot of pactards like yourself, you honestly have no idea what boxing is 1 you don't have to be the aggressor to win a fight (was whitaker an aggressor?) 2 why would marquez play into manny's game you want marquez to drop his style just for manny 3 marquez never seem hurt or stunned, manny was stunned 4 marquez didn't want to fight he came here to box and he outboxed manny 5 I saw streams from chile and uk both networks said marquez won I agree with your post on all counts. Pac was caught of balance a lot as well, out of postion. I think JMM fought one of the most intelligent fights I've seen in a long time.

yes there are a lot of haters and a lot of pactards like yourself, you honestly have no idea what boxing is 1 you don't have to be the aggressor to win a fight (was whitaker an aggressor?) 2 why would marquez play into manny's game you want marquez to drop his style just for manny 3 marquez never seem hurt or stunned, manny was stunned 4 marquez didn't want to fight he came here to box and he outboxed manny 5 I saw streams from chile and uk both networks said marquez won Do you have to lie to prove your point? Read this numbskull, UK: The Telegraph: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100021578/controversy-check-for-yourself-manny-pacquiao-juan-manuel-marquez-iii-official-scorecard-and-punch-stats/ And no, MP was never stunned, if you even know the meaning of the word.

Don't try to make sense these Pac worshipers, it's useless. Pac has the worst fans in the world!! Lampley: "Pacquiao followers have become so irrational in debates" :rofl1:

LOL!!..Manny has to MAKE it a fight to WIN? You're P4P #1 in the WORLD..why wouldn't he be able to adapt to what the opponent brings?...not only that but it's the opponent who's done it to you TWICE before. Mayweather has never complained of someone being too aggressive or too defensive, could you imagine if he said that shit?!. He adapts to what the opponent brings and takes him to school. Pacquiao doesn't have that quality.

yes there are a lot of haters and a lot of pactards like yourself, you honestly have no idea what boxing is 1 you don't have to be the aggressor to win a fight (was whitaker an aggressor?) 2 why would marquez play into manny's game you want marquez to drop his style just for manny 3 marquez never seem hurt or stunned, manny was stunned 4 marquez didn't want to fight he came here to box and he outboxed manny 5 I saw streams from chile and uk both networks said marquez won Don't try to make sense these Pac worshipers, it's useless. Pac has the worst fans in the world!!

Primetime and Amir Khan had Marquez winning.