After seeing Pacquiao-Marquez 3, does Floyd finally get his due for beating JMM???

I gave Floyd a little bit of credit for beating Marquez originally, but after seeing Marquez arguably beat Pacquiao at the same weight, you have to give Floyd major props for shutting JMM completely out and just completely dominating him. People seem to forget, that was one of the most one-sided fights with two P4P top fighters in the history of the sport. It's funny that some Pac fans are actually jumping ship, at least it seems that way. If Marquez canc ounter Manny like that att his stage in his career, and if Manny has that much trouble getting going on Marquez, I see nothing to believe that Manny can get s**t going on Floyd.

You guys are idiots. Floyd didn't impose his will. He didn't rough JMM up. He didn't do anything to show he was the bigger stronger guy. He did the exact same thing he'd have done if he was 105 or 147 - he waited, he picked his shots, he boxed. JMM will always lose to floyd regardless of weight, size had nothing to do with that performance.. it was all style and 1 guy being better than the other, end of story. " Bad style match up " What is this crap? You realize floyd is a bad style match up for Pacman as well, right? So will that be the excuse if ever they fought and he won?

Fuck no. Cheated the weigh in.

It changes alot. If Floyd came in at 144 instead of 146 he'd get A TON OF CREDIT. He just gets some from me now. Thing is, Floyd didn't beat him with size, he beat him with skill and outthinking Marquez.

As far as I'm concerned the Marqeuz fight went from worthless to completely legit. Marqeuz proved last night that after all this timre he actually can perform above 135 and the reason he looked terrible was obviously Mayweather. And the fact Floyd's style is a bad match for Marquez means what exactly? Beating Pacquaio at WW is all I need to see to know if he can perform there.

After seeing Pacquiao-Marquez 3, a fight that Marquez arguably won (I had it a draw), does Floyd finally get the respect and his due credit for dominating Marquez over 2 years ago??? I mean, Marquez, past even being as good as he was 2-3 years ago, just gave Pacquiao hell one again, and argubaly won again. Will you Floyd haters finally give him the credit he deserves for his dominating performance over Marquez??? Asking a Pacquiao fan to give Mayweather credit is like asking a man without legs to run a marathon.

after a two yea lay off he toyed with JMM...pac got his ass whooped ..what a little fraud....he is used to weight drained opposition :lol1:

Floyd has always gotten props from me for his win over JMM. And I've never seen so many haters cling to "2lbs" so much in my life. That fight had nothing to do with "2 lbs". Mayweather is just better than JMM. And not just a little better....he's 12 rds to 0 better. Floyd made JMM look like he didn't belong in the ring with him. Fast forward to a couple years later, a few back and forths with Juan Diaz, and a war with Michael Katsidis, JMM comes right in the ring with Pac and disrupts everything Pac think he has accomplished since Lampley started letting the likes of Henry Armstrong slip outta his mouth in comparison. Pac looked horrible. And further proves he is not on Floyd's level. I expect the Floyd is ducking Martinez train to start rolling since the Floyd haters realize Pac ain't the one.

do you really think that jmm could be floyd at 130 or 135? answer that one---in his prime at 130, floyd was much faster, much more active--and his reflexes were much faster--just watch his fights with tony pep and jukko--couldn't touch him at all---jmm is leagues ahead of them, yes, but jmm got caught a lot at 130, against mab and manny, who wouldn't survive floyd at 130----even though jmm fought at 126 also---it doesn't matter what weight they fought at----floyd didn't even bully jmm---he outboxed him, plain and simple--he moved around the ring a lot and jmm was more active--weight had little to do with it because floyd's upperbody movement was his key ingredient in beating most of his opponents including jmm--he made jmm lose his balance 2 times in their fight by just making him miss-- you guys remember how vicious floyd was at 140? the gatti floyd mayweather jr? there's a reason nobody wanted it with floyd at 140, no matter what the media tellsyou---shane didn't want it--oscar--kosta--hatton especially---judah wasn't coming down--and although vivian harris was really the only one who wanted to fight floyd besides gatti, he got his ass whooped by a bum on floyd's and gatti's undercard--- imagine that floyd against jmm---give the man his just due--he fought jmm small--he didn't use his size---floyd is a small ww--he looked big against jmm but didn't fight big--jmm isn't a big puncher either--and floyd spars against middleweights up to some hw's... floyd has a great chin with even better recovery---- point being, floyd gets all the credit in the world for fighting jmm and dominating him----and jmm was p4p number 2, coming off of 2 great wins---manny wouldn't fight him again, and manny is the same size as jmm and floyd is being pressured to fight him by you all and he will dominate manny like i've been saying for over 2 years now--- so, manny beats up bigger guys and jmm didn't prove he could fight well above 135, so floyd shouldn't get any credit for it? bollocks folks--floyd is going to kill manny so prepare yourselves for a long and tortuous night-lol--

Either Floyd put on an exceptional performance against Marquez or Pacquiao struggled against a fighter who had no business fighting at that weight.

I know that styles make fights, but that's like saying Frazier-Foreman 1 was just a terribel style matchup for Joe, who was dominated by Foreman. I mean, at that same weight, Marquez just arguably beat Pacquiao again, and at a weight for Floyd dominated him. I know Floyd came in at 146, but does ANYONE seriously think Floyd weighing 2 lbs over 144 was a serious determining factor in that fight??? I didn't give Floyd that much credit for beating JMM at 144, but after seeing his solid performance against Pac att he same weight, you have to give Floyd at least a little credit for beating him handily there. Been sayin' that since day one. People have to give Mayweather some credit for that win, especially after last night. It wasn't the weight, as much as the styles, that gave Márquez fits. Haters gonna' hate, though...

He should, but he won't.

Mayweather will never get the credit he deserves. Even if the fight does happen people arr going to say he cherry picked Paquiao because Pacquiao sucks agains real boxers. Agree 100%. Marquez are Pacquiao are about the same size really, and peopel say Mayweather beat Marquez because he's bigger........so if he beats Pac, will people just say that he did because he was bigger??? 130, 135, 140, 144, 147 Mayweather whoops Marquez. If Pac can't figure out how to overcome Marquez defense and effective counter punching, I can't see him beating Floyd, who may have one of the best defenses and be the best counter puncher we've ever seen. All i know is that Pac struggled beat a past prime Marquez, who isn't even as good as he was 2-3 years ago, and at a weight that Floyd dominated him at, and Mayweather just came off of 16 months of nothing and beat a prime, big and strong, coming off wins, Ortiz. As for the Pac fans who were saying Ortiz was a cherry pick, who was a better opponent coming in, Ortiz or Marquez??? Ortiz. He's young, in his prime, big and strong, coming off big wins, while Marquez is 38, not even as good as he was in 08-09, and fighting where Floyd had dominated him. It's clear as day.

Mayweather will never get the credit he deserves. Even if the fight does happen people arr going to say he cherry picked Paquiao because Pacquiao sucks agains real boxers.

No not magically, he's got Pac's number. He said himself this was the biggest fight of his career. It means a lot to him given the history. Aside from him having Pac's number anyway, he did also train his body for this weight, his style and everything to precision for this fight. It was impressive. As for Pac-May, I agree. Pac can't deal with JMM's defence and counter punching, and won't be able to over come it with May. That's become clearer last night. Whatever. Quite frankly, the only difference between this version of Marquez at welter and the one in 2009 was...his opponent. He's 38 - new training methods will only take you so far. It's not like he's Hopkins and showing no signs of aging, he was dropped and hurt by Michael Katsidis of all people in his last fight. Manny Pacquiao is simply clueless when given angles and couldn't cut a ring off if you handed him scissors.

We get it. And all I'm saying he is, he magically looked a lot better at 38, after showing serious signs of slipping in his two previous bouts, at welter because Pacquiao clearly isn't on Mayweather's plane. Not because of a different way they were throwing the medicine ball at his chest. If he had some success against Floyd that would make sense. He had none. No not magically, he's got Pac's number. He said himself this was the biggest fight of his career. It means a lot to him given the history. Aside from him having Pac's number anyway, he did also train his body for this weight, his style, tactics and everything combined to precision for this fight. It was impressive. As for Pac-May, I agree. Pac can't deal with JMM's defence and counter punching, and won't be able to over come it with May. That's become clearer last night.

oh you know him better. did he intentionally do it? Honestly what I think happened is, floyd was sure he could make the weight easy, but once it got close to deadline he probably wasn't where he wanted to be weight wise. So he made a deal instead of draining himself

We get it. And all I'm saying he is, he magically looked a lot better at 38, after showing serious signs of slipping in his two previous bouts, at welter because Pacquiao clearly isn't on Mayweather's plane. Not because of a different way they were throwing the medicine ball at his chest. If he had some success against Floyd that would make sense. He had none. ditto.......he was actually in pretty good shape against Floyd to take a 12 round beating the way he did. Much harder to take a beating when you aren't in the fight at all and every punch you throw is missing the target.

No answer then. Stop getting all excited Imdazed, chill out. Look for the record I'm a pac fan but had JMM winning. All I'm saying is JMM looked a lot better at that weight last night than what he did 2 years ago. Yes a lot of that is his style is perfect for Pac but bad for May. But even for these two fighting again most people all round, did not expect JMM to arguably beat Pac again, especially at this weight. S**t, after seeing Mayweather dominate him 2 years ago at the 144 CW, I really thought Manny was going to TKO Marquez in 7. I really did, especially since Marquez isn't even as good as he was 2-3 years ago. Marquez looked just as slow and immobile last night against Manny at the same weight as he did against Floyd, 2 years ago when he was better. Marquez had shown serious signs of slowing down from 2010-present, even at 135. Kellerman actually said it best during the fight, that was the first time since fighting Marquez back in 08' that Manny was actually fighting someone not completely crap at that point. Marquez should retire, go out with a great performance. Sure, Marquez was slow and immobile at that weight again, but he did deliver a great performance.

No answer then. Stop getting all excited Imdazed, chill out. Look for the record I'm a pac fan but had JMM winning. All I'm saying is JMM looked a lot better at that weight last night than what he did 2 years ago. Yes a lot of that is his style is perfect for Pac but bad for May. But even for these two fighting again most people all round, did not expect JMM to arguably beat Pac again, especially at this weight. We get it. And all I'm saying he is, he magically looked a lot better at 38, after showing serious signs of slipping in his two previous bouts, at welter because Pacquiao clearly isn't on Mayweather's plane. Not because of a different way they were throwing the medicine ball at his chest. If he had some success against Floyd that would make sense. He had none.