Roach: Marquez' Age and Added muscle is good for us.

No, only stupid people would say that cause they know Marquez is shot and the fight would be meaningless at this point. Guess this means that Manny is now shot and there is no need for a mayweather fight

Yes it does. It wasn't Marquez's combinations that gave Manny trouble, in fact his combinations gave Manny more openings, it was his timing and counter punching. We all know Mayweather has better timing and is a better counter puncher than Marquez. Roach even said Floyd was the toughest fight out there besides Marquez. I used to think it was a pick em fight but now I'm almost certain Mayweather would win. you can assume it all you want, I dont think its going to be that easy for Floyd sure counter punching has been the way to do it but those who have done it took alot in return and were able to, can Floyd take that much to get it done? does his chin hold up?

read my last post here before today it will always be a style thing and I am loving that you all bite and assume this has some sort of barring on the Mayweather fight Yes it does. It wasn't Marquez's combinations that gave Manny trouble, in fact his combinations gave Manny more openings, it was his timing and counter punching. We all know Mayweather has better timing and is a better counter puncher than Marquez. Roach even said Floyd was the toughest fight out there besides Marquez. I used to think it was a pick em fight but now I'm almost certain Mayweather would win.

LOL he didn't knock Manny out and he lost. But the fight was much closer than I expected and almost everybody else expected. read my last post here before today it will always be a style thing and I am loving that you all bite and assume this has some sort of barring on the Mayweather fight

Umm Okay John he didnt knock out Manny but he sure as **** didnt lose neither LOL he didn't knock Manny out and he lost. But the fight was much closer than I expected and almost everybody else expected.

That post was so moronic, I think Im going to sig it! It'll be great to use after Saturday! Umm Okay John he didnt knock out Manny but he sure as **** didnt lose neither

Johnwoo8686 Here is where I am comming from in this fight, and why I see this as a dangerous fight for Manny and I have leaned towards a Marquez win by stoppage. Manny has been fighting bigger guys lately he is not and has not had to deal with someone who is hitting him back if you look at his last three fights. we had Margarito who was hitting him back but was slow and wide and had **** footwork Manny could time that all day and he did. We had Mosley who didnt do **** didnt throw anything back at manny and you had Clottey who basically did the same thing stood there and took it. These are bigger guys in which their speed is not the same as a little guy. Marquez who has already given Manny 24 rounds of hell does appear to be in the best shape I have ever seen him. in addition he isnt going to not hit Manny back he isnt going to just stand there and take a beating or run or just cover up. And thats where I think the surprise takes place, Manny has likely gotten used to it being that way, and hasnt fought anybody with that kind of speed since Cotto and even then his two fights prior to Cotto he wasnt offered nothing back. Marquez will offer it back to him, and Manny has it in his mind he is leaving no doubt, believe that Marquez is bringing that same mentality, but he will use intelligence in there to get it done while Manny may just try to gun for that knock out, and that will leave manny to make mistakes, if he took notes from Mosley stepping around to the left, Manny couldnt really get off as he usually does and if he makes him miss there he will make him pay. its very possible to be rusty even when your active especially when nobody has been fighting you back in recent fights and thats the case here. you all say Marquez is shot, while I will only admit that Marquez is past his best, but you dont need to be at your best to win a fight, you just need the right game plan, tremendous conditioning and the will to win.... I just do not believe this is an easy fight for Manny, and I think Marquez will pull it out, I say by stoppage, maybe a bit crazy there while I admit, but if Manny over commits and thats a real possibility he can get hurt and he has been hurt by Marquez in the past two fights. which is why I do see a stoppage here.

That post was so moronic, I think Im going to sig it! It'll be great to use after Saturday! And just what effect are you expecting its going to have on me? please if you do decide to sig it, keep it when Marquez wins

That post was so moronic, I think Im going to sig it! It'll be great to use after Saturday!

LOL you can't be serious with that one. You've lost all credibility as a boxing fan with that one. I dont come here to gain credit, who the **** are you to me? why do I need credibility from people on the ****ing internet? you all dont walk my path, you dont pay my bills I do. I believe its always going to come down to styles between these two, and I recall the first fight when I was at Wildcard I just assumed Manny would destroy Marquez, considering what he did to Barrera, Pepper Roach my trainer at the time said "Are you crazy? Marquez is tough this is going to be a good fight he be lucky to win by knock out" From that point on I took it and waited it out, and after fight one he was right, 12 more rounds after fight 2 he was still right, I am not sleeping on Marquez and I believe the timing is right for him. But again I dont need credit from you so stop acting like its a big deal to me what you think of me I really dont care

You cant call it a cherry pick if it turns out to be an apple, and I think for the most part in a business sense yes its a cherry pick, but every now and then you do pick a bad piece of fruit, and I believe thats the case here tune in Saturday you all in for a shocker Pacquiao is getting stopped on Saturday. LOL you can't be serious with that one. You've lost all credibility as a boxing fan with that one.

Thank you for admtting it Roach. I love how they don't even try to hide the fact that they like having the advantage.

Err but Pactards claim that he's a natural LWW? Make up your mind. He's a full fledged WW now agree? Fight obviously should've been @ 140 if your fellow pactards were correct. As long as Marquez doesnt step on at a full 144 he will be okay I think he should come in between 140 and 142 to keep some of that speed, if he does that people are going to be talking about bad socks, blisters, distractions etc....

Some of the people criticizing Pacquiao aren't even Floyd fans! Why do you nuthuggers make it all about Pacquiao and Floyd. Yes Marquez has fans and yes they do think its a cherry pick to have the fight at THIS weight. You cant call it a cherry pick if it turns out to be an apple, and I think for the most part in a business sense yes its a cherry pick, but every now and then you do pick a bad piece of fruit, and I believe thats the case here tune in Saturday you all in for a shocker Pacquiao is getting stopped on Saturday.

Errrr this handicap was in favour of JMM, Pac fights at 147 and offered to fight at 144. You flomo's will never be happy, at least pac will honour the prefight weight agreement unlike some other cheapshot fighters around. Err but Pactards claim that he's a natural LWW? Make up your mind. He's a full fledged WW now agree? Fight obviously should've been @ 140 if your fellow pactards were correct.

^^ truth.. Fuking Flomos.. If pac didnt fight jmm they would be calling him a duck.. Now pac is fighting him. they call it cherry picking.. all i know this will be better then Floyd vs Ortiz.. Some of the people criticizing Pacquiao aren't even Floyd fans! Why do you nuthuggers make it all about Pacquiao and Floyd. Yes Marquez has fans and yes they do think its a cherry pick to have the fight at THIS weight.

you are not a boxing fans but a Floyd balls licker. Pac already fought Marquez twice and beat him twice. Floyd cheated him when he came 2 overweight while having a 15-20 lbs advantage during the actual fight. Pac will never do such as disgusting acts. We will see, if they do not disclose Mannys weight on the night of the fight thats up for debate. Manny still has to make 144 first not saying he wont but it will be interesting to see if he has to shake a half pound off at the scales

why didn't he fight him in 2008 a few months after their second fight??? this fight means nothing to real boxing fans you are not a boxing fans but a Floyd balls licker. Pac already fought Marquez twice and beat him twice. Floyd cheated him when he came 2 overweight while having a 15-20 lbs advantage during the actual fight. Pac will never do such as disgusting acts.

Pac only want is to shut up JMM this time.. Coz JMM badly needed this fight and not PAC....

If Pacquiao didn't fight him, people would say he's ducking... now that he's fighting him, he's cherry picking. Just sit back and enjoy a good fight. Boxing fans are killing boxing. ^^ truth.. Fuking Flomos.. If pac didnt fight jmm they would be calling him a duck.. Now pac is fighting him. they call it cherry picking.. all i know this will be better then Floyd vs Ortiz..