I just watched both Marquez-Pacquiao fights back to back

pac won both those fights. another way to think of this is that out of the 6 judges, 4 had pac winning. addtionally, the judge who was replaced for the 2nd fight had pacwinning as well. that makes it 5-2 for pac in the judges eyes. we can forget about that draw, since he admitted 10-6 was the right score. the scorecards also make the fight appear closer than they actualy were, because pac had both fights in the bag by about the 10th round in which case jmm had no chance unles he ko him.

I had Pacquiao winning both fights.

I thought Marquez won both. I just watched them again, back to back, and I actually thought it was pretty clear. Close, but clear. But watching them really does show you how much Pac has improved. He thinks more now, he's not just an instinctual animal in there. He's very cerebral and I think that has more to do with this improvement than his right hand. You can see him figuring the guy out over the first couple of rounds and he actually counters now instead of just attacking.

No one who bounces off the canvas at will like that wins any fight in my eyes. They go running after that, and Pac went for one punch KO. Pac got robbed by mistake on the judges cards, and FLoyd lost to Castillo who is not as good as JMM, so mention that instead. WTF does Mayweather's fight with Jose Luis Castillo have to do with this thread?

After watching both of these fights back to back I'm 100000% convinced that Marquez beat Pacquiao twice. I had him winning 10 rounds in the first fight and 8 rounds in the 2nd fight. If Manny had any sportsmanship in him he would of made the 3rd Marquez fight at 140 where it would at least limit Pacquiao's weight advantage. Manny knows he lost twice and beating a Lightweight at Welterweight won't change the fact that Marquez got the better of him at their prime. No one who bounces off the canvas at will like that wins any fight in my eyes. They go running after that, and Pac went for one punch KO. Pac got robbed by mistake on the judges cards, and FLoyd lost to Castillo who is not as good as JMM, so mention that instead.

On my card Manny won the 1st by a point and JMM won the 2nd by a point. It's dead even IMHO! Which makes this 3rd fight, alteast for me, exciting an will bring closure (pls., no draw this time). I hope Manny knocks JMM out...but I doubt it, he's one tough nut to crack! JMM will be dropped again a couple of times and Manny by UD though!

A flomo saying marquez won both fights, wow what a shock... go to bed kid

give or take 1 round pretty much exactly this - this "I was robbed" business is total nonsense the fights were damn close and the bottom line is marquez was down 4 times, pac not even once, and the rest of the rounds were not onesided enough in Marquez's favor to overcome that. If a guy gets knocked down 3 times in the first round he needs to completely dominate the rest of the fight not slightly edge it. and also take note that one of the judges in the first fight admitted to a mistake in the scoring in favor of marquez. in other words, manny would have officially won via split decision TWICE if it weren't for that mistake.

This is true. The Pacquiao camp offered JMM an immediate rematch in 2004 and JMM turned it down. He eventually fought Pacquiao again in 2008 when there was no where else to go. Now that Pac is a huge star JMM wants a rematch. Although I think their fight should be at 140 no one can really complain about the fight being at 147. JMM was given an offer for an immediate rematch and turned it down. He had another chance to beat Pacquiao and came up short. Whatever happens this Saturday is the result of JMM's choices over the past few years. actually, JMM has one more choice available to him. he could choose to come in at 140, the weight he's most comfortable with, in the same way Manny chose to come in at 144 against margarito though their fight was at 150, knowing full well that margarito would most likely outweigh him by at least 14 to 15 lbs.

this again?. oh well 114-111 pac - first fight 115- 112 pac- second fight give or take 1 round pretty much exactly this - this "I was robbed" business is total nonsense the fights were damn close and the bottom line is marquez was down 4 times, pac not even once, and the rest of the rounds were not onesided enough in Marquez's favor to overcome that. If a guy gets knocked down 3 times in the first round he needs to completely dominate the rest of the fight not slightly edge it.

And, for the record I don't think JMM is a bad sportsman. And, I'm not a fan of this third fight. I think it's crap. I just don't like when people conveniently forget just flat out try to re-write and history and act as if it wasn't JMM fault that the 2nd fight took so long to happen. I also would not argue with anyone who had JMM winning. But, I do argue when anyone complains it as if it was a robbery. Even though I scored those 2 fights for Pac. I thought both fights(point scoring wise) were close and competitive that it could have gone either way. I think you make a good point by saying that it's not good to argue about who won those two fights because they were so close. I had jmm winning both fights (just my opinion). I like both fighters and I think it will be a good third fight I hope this fight is as good or better than the previous two. So now if jmm gets the win there should be a fourth fight lol but thinking about it I think it will be harder for jmm to win this one cause I think PAC is stronger than last time they fought. War Marquez!!!

Either fight can easily be scored a draw. They're real close. Marquez won the overwhelming majority of rounds in the first fight though. He outfought Pacquiao. Unfortunately, you score knockdowns. I think that Marquez is a much more live underdog than most are giving him credit for.

Watching them back to back shows you how much Pac has improved. Now that he doesn't have to cut weight he's going to be a lot more dangerous. I don't expect Pac to box much better than he did in the second fight. It'll be his strength that will be the difference. JMM bulking up isn't going to help him to me. He should try to be as sharp as possible.

I watched both fights recently and had Marquez winning the second fight by a point..... First fight I had a draw which means Pacquiao got outboxed both times.

This is true. The Pacquiao camp offered JMM an immediate rematch in 2004 and JMM turned it down. He eventually fought Pacquiao again in 2008 when there was no where else to go. Now that Pac is a huge star JMM wants a rematch. Although I think their fight should be at 140 no one can really complain about the fight being at 147. JMM was given an offer for an immediate rematch and turned it down. He had another chance to beat Pacquiao and came up short. Whatever happens this Saturday is the result of JMM's choices over the past few years. And, for the record I don't think JMM is a bad sportsman. And, I'm not a fan of this third fight. I think it's crap. I just don't like when people conveniently forget just flat out try to re-write and history and act as if it wasn't JMM fault that the 2nd fight took so long to happen. I also would not argue with anyone who had JMM winning. But, I do argue when anyone complains it as if it was a robbery. Even though I scored those 2 fights for Pac. I thought both fights(point scoring wise) were close and competitive that it could have gone either way.

I watched that fight a lot and I have Pac winning both fights by one point. If JMM had any sportsmanship in him, he wouldn't have waited 4 years for the 2nd fight. This is true. The Pacquiao camp offered JMM an immediate rematch in 2004 and JMM turned it down. He eventually fought Pacquiao again in 2008 when there was no where else to go. Now that Pac is a huge star JMM wants a rematch. Although I think their fight should be at 140 no one can really complain about the fight being at 147. JMM was given an offer for an immediate rematch and turned it down. He had another chance to beat Pacquiao and came up short. Whatever happens this Saturday is the result of JMM's choices over the past few years.

pacquiao beat mayweather’s left overs when they were at their worst moments : Ricky hatton : Lost his undefeated record de la hoya : Weight drained (so pacquiao never fought de la hoya at his natural weight) + after a decison victory against stevie forbes shane mosley : After a draw with sergio mora + 39 years old now mayweather vs those guys : Ricky hatton : Undefeated de la hoya : Knocked ricardo mayorga out in the 6th round + mayweather moved up in weight to fight de la hoya at his natural weight shane mosley : Knocked antonio margarito out in the 9th round :lol1:.....!

Who cares dumbass you still cant stop hating on Mayweather even on the Joe Frazier thread loser , on every single thread you cant stop bringing Mayweathers name :lol1: you do, obviously ...you get affected by my posts..lol man, telling the truth and hatin are 2 diffrent things but i dont care how you interpet those...so it aint my problem...

Puga the troll he really cant stop hating + all your comparisons are BS , why are you bringing Mayweathers name in this thread ? :lol1: it was your felow flomo who first brought up juniors name dumb dumb...

I watched that fight a lot and I have Pac winning both fights by one point. If JMM had any sportsmanship in him, he wouldn't have waited 4 years for the 2nd fight.