Marquez "I Cant Fight Without a Hyperbaric Chamber."Grandpas-"Technology Dont Matter"

I just think its funny how a top 10 p4p boxer talks about how he couldn't perform without modern technology. We see his workouts utilizing modern theories on fitness. We have all this evidence that modern athletes are far superior. However, old people still want to believe their part time fighting heroes could compete today. Its hilarious. I would have knocked Jack Johnson out, probably in 1 round. You keep telling yourself that buddy...:tool:

I would have knocked Jack Johnson out, probably in 1 round. Nah, but good post though..things are different today than they were ages ago.

Everyone already knows this. It would be like saying you could put Vitali in against any HW in history and Vital would win. But its not exactly fair unless you let the old fighter (e.x. Ali) train using today's techniques and diet. If you plucked him out of the past without giving him a chance to train like a modern fighter than he gets KTFO. However it is possible that a modern fighter would gas out if they did same day weigh in and fight until someone gets ktfo. The only fighter I could see today that would do good in old school rules is Pacquaio. I've never seen him tired even after throwing thousands of punches and he doesn't put on that much weight after the weigh in. That's because he's your dad and you're his retarded red-headed stepchild

fighters of today range from 2000's in peoples minds, while the older guys can choose through the 1900's to early 80's i dont think what they did back then was that amazing, well, it's obvious they had more stamina, but that's not what i look for in a good fighter, i've seen street bums of today, old guys, fighting for hours, they are usually hillbillies, it's not that impressive really, when you dont throw with your whole body and know the technique you're gonna have more energy, has anyone seen the greb footage? it's cringe worthy, esspecially that "sparring", even if it was just a mess about monte cox himself says that early boxing had no real science or technique, it only came on around the 40's, today you see the most kinesthetic intelligence, know where else in boxing do you see as good technique as roy jones or floyd mayweather etc, nor as good footwork the old timers had stamina, i'll give them that, but it was just because of the rules, add that, and maybe not today, but it wouldn't take long for fighters to today to adjust and fight through those 40 rounds, although most of the skilled fighters would be at the bottom of the list while the margarito's probabley be at the top

Dempsey looks better in that video than the Haye's and Adameks of today. These guys were fighting 15+ rounds while fighters of today get winded after 5. EXACTLY.. and that's while only throwing hardly any punches a round.

Dempsey looks better in that video than the Haye's and Adameks of today. These guys were fighting 15+ rounds while fighters of today get winded after 5.

Definitely. Boxing and the workout techniques are highly evolved and I agree that fighters from 50+ years ago simply weren't in the type of shape fighters today are. The fighting technique today employed by the top fighters is also other worldly. Just the way Nacho trains his fighters it is martial arts like in the way it is highly evolved, fighters can not question his method, and a lot of reflex embedding so that the body reacts on its own. 100+ years of Boxing technique and training being handed down is as close as it gets to the movie version of martial arts that simply doesn't exist today with the same lifestyle Although I probably would put a little less emphasis on the chamber when training at altitude. I see the majority of fighters today struggle after the 6th round, while fighting at incredibly slow paces. While I can go back right now and find 15rnders where the fighters looked like they could go 10 more. The conditioning today is atrocious and this is because of the lack of career long dedication. Fighters get in and out of shape all the time and it has lasting effects. This wasn't teh case back then, they were always in shape, and it showed. Name me 5 fights off the top right now who could go 15 HARD rounds, please.

I just think its funny how a top 10 p4p boxer talks about how he couldn't perform without modern technology. We see his workouts utilizing modern theories on fitness. We have all this evidence that modern athletes are far superior. However, old people still want to believe their part time fighting heroes could compete today. Its hilarious. I would have knocked Jack Johnson out, probably in 1 round. This is because of how fast most of todays athletes have to get in shape. They do not stay in shape all year around, this is the point you are missing. Most of these guys get out of shape inbetween fights and then have a few weeks to get themselves back in proper shape. Guys like Hopkins for example use none of this new stuff, because he's in shape year round. THIS is the point you aren't realizing. Fighters of yesteryear who stayed in the gym, or the year prior to yesteryear, where they all had 80+ professional fights.. always in shape because there was always a fight around the corner. Didn't have time to get fat then lose weight. Todays methods are only good for getting you prepared quicker than without, but if Marquez didn't walk around at 150, he wouldn't need all teh fancy stuff to get to 135 in a short period. Definitely. Boxing and the workout techniques are highly evolved and I agree that fighters from 50+ years ago simply weren't in the type of shape fighters today are. The fighting technique today employed by the top fighters is also other worldly. Just the way Nacho trains his fighters it is martial arts like in the way it is highly evolved, fighters can not question his method, and a lot of reflex embedding so that the body reacts on its own. 100+ years of Boxing technique and training being handed down is as close as it gets to the movie version of martial arts that simply doesn't exist today with the same lifestyle Although I probably would put a little less emphasis on the chamber when training at altitude. I see the majority of fighters today struggle after the 6th round, while fighting at incredibly slow paces. While I can go back right now and find 15rnders where the fighters looked like they could go 10 more. The conditioning today is atrocious and this is because of the lack of career long dedication. Fighters get in and out of shape all the time and it has lasting effects. This wasn't teh case back then, they were always in shape, and it showed. Name me 5 fights off the top right now who could go 15 HARD rounds, please.

nice post I didn't expect you to ''side'' with the old school fighters My opinion with alot of this is rather firm and adament. The way alot of modern fans dismiss past era pisses me off tbh.

I'll challenge it, even though I originally wanted to leave it with the Green K message I sent you. Look at that guys boxing stance: http://coxscorner.tripod.com/Images/gdixon1.jpg It's ancient. It's the equivalent of the early-days of Basketball. When guys were just starting to develop of a Jump Shot or a Free throw. And how the new generation took it to the next level, and created the fade away, new athletic ways to dribble the ball (I.E. Iverson-esque). That's the way I see the new generation of Boxers 1990-2011. It's not just the Athleticism, Training and all the Hyperbaric Chambers to replenish your lungs, the Protein shakes, better knowledge of the Human body applied to Training which some of these Strength & Conditioning are good at etc,. There was no Science into what they did in the earlier days of Boxing. Top fighters going at it every few weeks. We don't know how modern day fighters would have fared in that type of environment, having to fight every few weeks, but I'm pretty sure the Legends of the past would've loved fighting in the current era. Not because the competition would've been any easier, but because they would get to fight less for more Money, WIN OR LOSE, and their primes would've lasted a lot longer also. The Promoters wouldn't have sucked the life out of you by age 35, with 80, 90, 100 fights, and you retiring broke. That's just so incorrect and you thinking that is sad. I noticed you have Hopkins in your sig, his stance and footwork is modelled after fighters like Archie and Ezzard. That stance you mock serves a purpos the advantages of which Hopkins utilizes, unbeknownst to you. Can't embed but watch this video which breaks down some of these differences which you are mocking and explain the reasons behind the method. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4 Jack Dempsey's manuel Championship fighting written in 1950 is still regarded as one of the best boxing manuel's ever composed Truth be told some things like the high guard defense which is more the norm rather than arm at your waist ala Bute, Floyd, Toney style actually shows a regression of certain skills. Once you can slip, parry, block, roll with shots, tuck your chin properly your left hand doesn't need to be held up to protect your chin which allows it to be utilized for oppertunities that are otherwise unavailable. Alot of top fighters today even Champions can't do some of these basic techniques properly. Look at their footwork. They're flat footed, dragging their feet. It's the equivalent of a Marathon with guys walking the entire way. They're not nearly expending the kind of energy that today's fighters expend, which they prepare for in 7 week training camps. Are these guys tougher? Probably, I'll give them that. They get in there and they slug. The modern day fighter wouldn't need 45 rounds to KO one of these guys. As a matter of fact, send either one of those two into the future, and just have them fight a regular 12 round fight. I'll guarantee either one of em' would be exhausted after 10 rounds, and the kind of pace a modern day boxer would put them through. If they dragged their feet like that, they would get knocked out. Fighting as often as they do they're always in shape rather than ballooning up 40lbs and needing to get into shape. 8 week camp doesn't get them into any better shape. They fought with 4 or 5 ounce gloves with horse hair unlike the modern pillows by comparison. The reverse is more likely with past era boxers having a easier time knocking out modern fighters. Does Dempsey or Tunney look to be flatfooted,unrefined or lack mobility? Even Ali credited Tunney, watch Dempsey sparring here and along with him look at 6'7 Bill Tate. Do you think Akinwande, Ustinov, Grant, Mccline are any more mobile then this "modern" sized heavyweight?

I just think its funny how a top 10 p4p boxer talks about how he couldn't perform without modern technology. We see his workouts utilizing modern theories on fitness. We have all this evidence that modern athletes are far superior. However, old people still want to believe their part time fighting heroes could compete today. Its hilarious. I would have knocked Jack Johnson out, probably in 1 round. you think you would knock out jack johnson?

Look at their footwork. They're flat footed, dragging their feet. It's the equivalent of a Marathon with guys walking the entire way. They're not nearly expending the kind of energy that today's fighters expend, which they prepare for in 7 week training camps. You seriously think a boxer today could go into the 37th round and still be dancing ?, of course they're dragging their feet you moron, it's the 37th ****ing round in the sun.

Who fought 15 rounds once a month? And besides do you understand anything about things like kinesiology or training? If you had a fight every month you couldn't actually make gains or improvements in your conditioning. And the evidence completely supports me. At 13 years old I was a faster swimmer than anyone who ever lived prior to 1920. Did the properties of water change? Guess what our knowledge trained we learned how to train and how growth and gains come in RECOVERY not in training. I would have beaten Jack Johnson to death in the ring and exposed him for the b1tch he was. I would have then taken his woman and spilt my seed in her. LOL your troll is weak. Your ass would have gotten murked by Jack Johnson inside 4 rounds.

Less rounds, less fights, less punching, less combinations, less fighters and more weight classes and titles. It's not hard to figure out training techniques are not any better today in spite of technology. Medicine, yes. Training methods, no. This explains why perfectly, but Im sure most will not bother to read or just flat out ignore it. http://coxscorner.tripod.com/fighterspast.html Thread should of ended here. TS is a known idiot anyway.

Aside from it being a promotional photo, Dixon looks ancient because he was ancient. Dixon fought in the late 1800's. Go that far back and there are obviously some differences. The man debuted in 1886. That's 125 years ago. Nobody is saying that boxers from 120 years ago would destroy anyone today. It's just that regularly boxing 25 rounds, 40+ rounds like Dixon did regularly, obviously the fighting is going to look a lot different. Make Mayweather fight a 45 round contest against a tough opponent with small gloves that puts him at risk to break his already brittle hands, and you'd see very, very different type of strategy from him. Even now he fights at an extremely low pace because he has the skill to control his opponents. I've said for a long time now that Floyd could compete with any fighter in history and be great under today's conditions. If he had to fight under the conditions of earlier era's (longer fights, fighting more often, gloves with little protection) it would be his hands, not his skills, that held him back from greatness.

most of us were judging them old school fighters based on few old-assed footages available where they looked "cartoony" but i can bet not one of them can be considered a "pickling" against nowadays fighters in fact, i can safely say that they were one of toughest basterds in the sports though im a Pac fan, i doubt Pac could last 20 rounds against some of them old school fighters There are plenty of fighters today who would be competitive in any era, and that includes Pac. But the sport as a whole has digressed as far as skills and stamina in my opinion.

most of us were judging them old school fighters based on few old-assed footages available where they looked "cartoony" but i can bet not one of them can be considered a "pickling" against nowadays fighters in fact, i can safely say that they were one of toughest basterds in the sports though im a Pac fan, i doubt Pac could last 20 rounds against some of them old school fighters

The slobs are mostly out of America though. They're a product of their environment, and the Western Diet. I don't see that many slobs that are outside of America. Even the guy we all considered BUM-esque in Albert Sosnowski, was ripped on fight night. Blame America and it's culture. Outside of it, Boxers are still being Boxers, training like they're supposed to. I respectfully disagree. This isn't just a heavyweight American problem, but a world wide heavyweight problem. Solis-Cuba Povetkin-Russia Peter-Nigeria Chisora-UK The list goes on and on and it includes many Americans too. The bottom line is fighter today think bigger is better and don't train down to their best weight which effects stamina. Without proper stamina you can't properly use your skills consistently and it makes you slower. Now I may not think much of his comp, but Vitaly, besides his skills and toughness almost always comes in tip top shape and it's a major reason he is able to dominate. Derrick Chisora looks vastly more skilled than Tyson Fury and was looking good the first few rounds until his lack of stamina took over. Against Adamek, Arreola lost steam and was outfought down the line after building an early lead. Liakhovich against Briggs. Briggs against Ibragimov. Lewis in the first Rahman fight. David Tua skills and stamina suffered as a result of being to heavy. I could go on, but I think you get my point. Peace. And thank you for the green. I was unable to return some but will hit you back another time. We may disagree about some things but you're a good poster.

I wouldn't read to much into a photo of a fighter posing my friend. But there was absolutely a science to the way they fought. Here is an article and a video that can explain it much better than myself. And remember, this way of fighting goes all the way back to the likes of Joe Gans. http://coxscorner.tripod.com/boxingskill.html http://youtu.be/81non05aKX4 Aside from it being a promotional photo, Dixon looks ancient because he was ancient. Dixon fought in the late 1800's. Go that far back and there are obviously some differences. The man debuted in 1886. That's 125 years ago. Nobody is saying that boxers from 120 years ago would destroy anyone today. It's just that regularly boxing 25 rounds, 40+ rounds like Dixon did regularly, obviously the fighting is going to look a lot different. Make Mayweather fight a 45 round contest against a tough opponent with small gloves that puts him at risk to break his already brittle hands, and you'd see very, very different type of strategy from him. Even now he fights at an extremely low pace because he has the skill to control his opponents.

I'll challenge it, even though I originally wanted to leave it with the Green K message I sent you. Look at that guys boxing stance: http://coxscorner.tripod.com/Images/gdixon1.jpg It's ancient. It's the equivalent of the early-days of Basketball. When guys were just starting to develop of a Jump Shot or a Free throw. And how the new generation took it to the next level, and created the fade away, new athletic ways to dribble the ball (I.E. Iverson-esque). That's the way I see the new generation of Boxers 1990-2011. It's not just the Athleticism, Training and all the Hyperbaric Chambers to replenish your lungs, the Protein shakes, better knowledge of the Human body applied to Training which some of these Strength & Conditioning are good at etc,. There was no Science into what they did in the earlier days of Boxing. Top fighters going at it every few weeks. We don't know how modern day fighters would have fared in that type of environment, having to fight every few weeks, but I'm pretty sure the Legends of the past would've loved fighting in the current era. Not because the competition would've been any easier, but because they would get to fight less for more Money, WIN OR LOSE, and their primes would've lasted a lot longer also. The Promoters wouldn't have sucked the life out of you by age 35, with 80, 90, 100 fights, and you retiring broke. I wouldn't read to much into a photo of a fighter posing my friend. But there was absolutely a science to the way they fought. Here is an article and a video that can explain it much better than myself. And remember, this way of fighting goes all the way back to the likes of Joe Gans. http://coxscorner.tripod.com/boxingskill.html http://youtu.be/81non05aKX4