The main problem with Hopkins......

I'm sure you're not alone. But how could we even know based on what a fighter does inside the ring? Maybe if you go by his personality type, I suppose, as he does give off the impression he's only out for himself but again, that's what individual sports are about mostly. I wouldn't say I want rafael nadal beside me in the trenches lol. fair enough, lol. Nadal quits all the time, too. If it isn't a big tournament. Hopkins will never fit my perception of a hero, due partly to what you say about his personality type and how he comes across in press-cons and the rest of it but also his gamesmanship in the ring (the Calzaghe, Jones II, Dawson.) He is a winner though - through and through. I think bunking up with Hopkins in a war would leave me having to arm myself with a fork. After he decided it really would be better for him to have two guns. Like you say, he is a bit of a mystery and I don't know him at all but what he puts across to the media usually isn't great. My enduring memory of him is him shouting at Steve Bunce and telling him the room was too cold when they were doing a promo for the Calzaghe fight.

lol..is this serious?

at least he doesn't rape white bitches! Kobe didnt rape any1

I thought he was very brave traveling to canada to fight pascal in his home turf and getting off the canvas twice early in the fight and fighting his ass off to get the draw (win). I thought he was brave fighting pavlik after everyone told him he should retire after calzaghe. I thought he was brave moving up two weight classes at the age of 41 after losing twice to taylor and fighting The Man in Tarver. So yeah, maybe he should have or maybe he shouldn't have continued against Dawson. I would definitely not question how brave he is though, he's proved he's brave just about every time he takes a challenge and he's taken more challenges post 40 years of age then a lot of guys in their primes. hey Nat seriously do you believe he was injured in that fight? It was kinda bad but not that bad going by video of course we dont know what he felt or didnt feel but it was a boring fight and I had no one really winning its not like Chad hit him a few times to make him think of snap i dont think i can beat this guy your thoughts ...

it takes balls to just even train everyday. let alone be a professional fighter with over 40+ fights. have you ever boxed before?

he is old.

He's not heroic. Adjective: Having the characteristics of a hero or heroine; very brave. Noun: Behavior or talk that is bold or dramatic. Synonyms: brave - valiant - valorous He is a legend of the sport and our oldest world champion but he's not heroic. No such thing as heroic failure for Hopkins only failure. It's about winning fights,damn everything else...

well right, obviously you can't apply people who sacrificed their lives for their country to a boxer. Also boxing is an individual sport so the line where you say you wouldn't want hopkins beside you in the trenches doesn't apply either, as again, this is an individual sport where you look out for yourself and only yourself. Now as far as bernard as the person, from what I've gathered he's dedicated husband and father. These are things we don't get to see from hopkins because that part of his life his hidden from the public (his own choice mostly). he gives a lot to charities, to his communities, etc., again most all that stuff he does without any publicity. Is that heroic? To some, yeah. It does apply for me, unfortunately. The flaw in the thinking is obvious but I know I'm not alone in that sort of outlook.

Well, he was the underdog and after his stinker with roy jones, again, many people said to retire, including his own Richard Schaefer. What do you mean "how does he do with others?" But as far as being a "hero" goes who the hell is a hero in boxing? Floyd? Oscar? Mike Tyson? no no no. Pac is to some people, Ali is to some people, but it's all subjective. I'd say yes to both of them. Floyd? Who knows. I'd say yes but that really would be subjective. I'm a Brit, so I'm big on heroic failure. And there is such a thing. Heroic failure's not for everyone though. When I say heroism - I'm talking about gallantry and valor. But you can argue that the word itself is subjective. I just got back from Belgium where I visited the world war 1 graves. And all the Brits, Australians and Canadians whom are buried there - 300,000 died there in total. So I'm big into heroism at the moment. It's not smart to apply that sort of life and death situation to sport (which boxing is despite its dangers) - but Hopkins is not the type of man you'd want beside you in the trenches. Ultimately, my interpretation of heroic comes down to that - every time.

He's a hero to people that found success when they left prison that's it

at least he doesn't rape white bitches! nah, soapy does the takin'..... :smileysex

The main problem is he is scum....

I thought he was very brave traveling to canada to fight pascal in his home turf and getting off the canvas twice early in the fight and fighting his ass off to get the draw (win). I thought he was brave fighting pavlik after everyone told him he should retire after calzaghe. I thought he was brave moving up two weight classes at the age of 41 after losing twice to taylor and fighting The Man in Tarver. So yeah, maybe he should have or maybe he shouldn't have continued against Dawson. I would definitely not question how brave he is though, he's proved he's brave just about every time he takes a challenge and he's taken more challenges post 40 years of age then a lot of guys in their primes. This is true to an extent but the argument to that is that thought he could win. And bravery is just one characteristic of heroism. How does B-Hops do with the others?