So wait...NOW Sergio is a bad pick for Floyd???

Same old s**t. These are the things people were saying prior fo finding out that Mayweather-Martinez is actually in talks. 1. Martinez is too much of a risk for Floyd. 2. Sergio is as quick, if not more so than Floyd, he can beat him. 3. No way will Floyd will fight Sergio. Now that Mayweather appears to be finalizing a fight with Sergio, people change their tunes just like usual. Now here are some things people are saying... 1. Martinez is old, another old fighter Floyd is picking. 2. Martinez was never even that good anyway. 3. Martinez showed signs of age in his last fight. 4. Barker exposed Sergio. As far as Martinez being old at 37, he's looked better the past 2-3 years than he EVER did in the first 15 years or so of his boxing career. NO ONE can deny that. He's quicker, stronger, and better all the way around than he ever has been. His reflexes are still as sharp as ever, and he maintains his speed just like always. As far as Martinez not being that good...he beat everyone in his division that posed a serious threat to him, with relative ease. I have no doubt even if Sergio fights Floyd, he will fight and beat Pirog, Macklin, Lee, etc. As far as him showing signs of his last fight...get real!!! He was as quick, as elusive, and possessed as much power as ever. Just because he didn't blow Barker out of the ring doesn't mean he was showing signs of aging, get out of here!!! He was as quick with his feet and hands, maintained great stamina, he looked the same. Maybe we should give Barker some real credit for not being completely blown out of the fight. Martinez was still packing away rounds and winning the fight with ease. As far as Barker exposing him...no. Barker made it a fairly difficult night for Sergio, but Sergio was still connecting with relative ease for most of the fight. And....Sergio STILL KO'd Barker late in the fight. Sure, he didn't dominate Barker like he did other opponents prior, but that doesn't mean he's slowing down or that he was exposed. Jacobs was exposed by Pirog. Linares has been exposed twice now. Maidana was exposed by Khan. Berto was exposed by Ortiz. Martinez was NOT in any way shape or form EXPOSED by Barker. I just find it funny that Floyd probably picks a guy two weight classes above him, #3 in the world, maybe even quicker than him, with power, and people change their tune on that guy. It's amazing. Real fight fans know that a Mayweather-Martinez fight does LOADS for Floyd's legacy, and the Mayweather haters can't stand it. So, what does everybody think about Floyd fighting Sergio, and what does it do for his legacy if this does happen, win or lose???

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I just can't see why 154 isn't fair and equal. Martinez usually weighs in at 158-159, and comes into the fight anywhere from 160-165. Floyd usually weighs in at 146-147, and comes into the fight anywhere from 147-150. If the fight was made at 154, Sergio would drop 4-5 lbs to 154, and come into the fight most likely above 160 still. Meanwhile, Floyd would most mikely weigh in at 150 and come into the fight at 150, same as he did against Oscar in 07'. If it's below 154 (150-153), Floyd definitely has the weight advantage. If it's at 154, it's right in the middle and equal. If it's above 154 (156-160), Martinez definitely has the weight advantage. I actually give Martinez a great shot at beating Floyd. He's just as quick, feet and hands, has great reflexes, power, comes from angles, he's a southpaw. I would still bet on Floyd to win, but not by much. I'd say 55-45 is where i am at with this fight. I love the fact this fight is looking to be made, especially since Pac already has Bradley lined up for May 2012. The only thing that sucks now is that if Mayweather-Martinez is made for Spring 2012, than Khan is definitely next after that, if Floyd wins. If Floyd were to lose to Sergio, a rematch would DEFINITELY happen no matter what. So, if Floyd wins, the soonest it looks like Mayweather-Pacquiao will happen is Spring 2013. By then, Floyd will be 36 and Pac will be 34, and they may very well have slipped big time with their skills by then, who knows. That's my only beef with this fight being made. If Floyd fights Sergio, no one can seriously say Mayweather is afraid of Pacquiao. Mayweather fighting Sergio is as risky as a fight with Pacquiao, believe that. None of the Mayweather haters saying "Floyd ducked this guy or that guy, and won't fight Pac because he's scared. Floyd avoids the best", they will all have to shut up, or be forced to look moronic. Again....this is all IF the fight is made.

14y ago

4Corners

Look at what you're saying. Whether you realize it or not, you're' basically depending on Sergio not being at his Physical best. Apparently him being at 160, or 154 but rehydrating too high, is a too much of a problem for Floyd? I thought skills paid the bills, and Floyd didn't need guys being put at a disadvantage physically, in order to beat them. It's not as if Sergio is a beast like Miranda physically. His game is movement and angles, just like Floyd's. The only thing that a fight at 154 or less does, is Martinez may end up being dehydrated just like Delahoya was when he fought Oscar, and end up having nothing on fight night. Man, I am not saying there should be a rehydrating clause, I was only bringing it up because Dibella did in an interview. If I had my dream, the fight would be at 154, while Sergio would most likely re hydrate somewhere between 160-165. While Floyd would be at 150 or so on fight night. I am just counting on Martinez being physcially able to win the fight as well as Floyd. I actually would give Martinez a good shot at beating him. Floyd is still really good, but past his best. Floyd hasn't really been "prime" since the Hatton fight in 2007. 2 years later, in 2009 and 2010, he took a step back. He looked great against Marquez and Mosley, but not quite the same as he was in 2006-2007. Again, his last fight against Ortiz, he looked really good, but not quite the same as he did against Marquez and Mosley. I would still give Martinez loads of credit for beating Floyd, even now. 154 is the most fair and even way to have the fight go down.

14y ago

Kagami_Taiga

Why not just let Floyd be at whatever he is comfortable at, and Martinez at whatever he is comfortable at from 155-160. All that would do is, Floyd can train and eat more. And Sergio would train and have to shrink himself down a lot less. He probably still has to put in good effort to make 158-160. Both guys at their comfortable weights, and lets skills pay the bills and not who has any side-effects from cutting weight. theres no way the fight happens that way. it just isnt reality. idc what catchweight its at as long as the mw crown isnt up for grabs. it really doesnt matter. catchweights for belts are ****. catchweights to make a great fight happen, now im all for that

14y ago

TintaBoricua

Agreed. If it's at 150, Floyd won't get as much credit from me though. He would still get decent credit, but not as much if it was anywhere from 152-156. Sergio kind of f**ked himself over by even saying he'd go down to 150. I have no doubt he can make 150 and still be good, I would just rather see it at 154. Just have Sergio sign something that says he won't come in on fight night over 164 lbs (what Ortiz was on fight night). That'd be fair. I give credit to Floyd, but I'd take it a step further by saying that Sergio will be affected by even coming down to 154 after being at 160 for a year and a half. I don't think he'll be able to fight at 154 completely comfortable as before. NEVER MIND 150, 4 pounds below what Sergio used to fight at for years...when was the last time Sergio fought at welterweight or under 154? If the fight's at 150...Sergio's screwed. Sergio at 150 should be more dangerous for Floyd then Margarito was for Pacquiao, though.

14y ago

ShrinkingMan

Great fight regardless of the weight(as long as it's above 150). If Floyd isnt scared to take on Martinez, how in the hell can you claim that he's scared of Pacquiao? Personally, I doubt this fight will get signed. It seems like a bluff to get the wheels rolling for negotiations with Pac. i agree with everything in this post.

14y ago

mannyFresh

14y ago

William_Blake

I would love to see this fight. Pacquiao is still out there after Martinez. A fight against Martinez would be a real challenge for Floyd--probably the toughest of his career. Love this fight!

14y ago

jrosales13

I have said this in the other Martinez-Floyd thread, I won't even give Martinez that much credit for that win, if it happened at 160. He gets more credit for the Pavlik, Williams wins. If he wins at 154, I'll give Martinez more credit for compromising in the strength department and risking dehydration/ side effects. Floyd gets more credit if he fights at 160, and Martinez would get more credit for a win at 154. Its' as simple as that. I can agree with that.

14y ago

jrosales13

Why not just let Floyd be at whatever he is comfortable at, and Martinez at whatever he is comfortable at from 155-160. All that would do is, Floyd can train and eat more. And Sergio would train and have to shrink himself down a lot less. He probably still has to put in good effort to make 158-160. Both guys at their comfortable weights, and lets skills pay the bills and not who has any side-effects from cutting weight. I see what you're saying. And, Floyd would get major props for that. And, if he wins. It would be hard not to be a fan of the mofo...Even I would probably be the biggest "flomo" around. But, I wouldn't be upset with Floyd if he doesn't go that route, honestly. And, if that would to happen. And, Martinez wins than I can't give him no credit at all

14y ago

BoxerDood

I give Floyd all the credit in the world for this fight if its made, but the timing is HORRIBLE. A lot of people who ordered Mayweather-Ortiz won't even think about ordering another fight between him and another fighter who isn't a household name. The only Mayweather fights I can see casual fans buying at this point are with Pacquiao and Cotto if he gets by Margarito. Sergio needs a win over somebody like Cotto, Margarito, B.Hop, De La Hoya, RJJ, etc. in order to make this fight big. And I know those last two are joke of competition, but they're HUGE names and 90% of the people ordering the fights wouldn't know that.

14y ago

jrosales13

Agreed, how is that fair? Have a former Middleweight, drop down to Jr.Middleweight and can't rehydrate properly on top of that. And you dare cry and complain with this thread in support of Floyd? I agree, I mean I don't mind catch-weight...But, re-hydration clauses. I don't agree with that at all. Funny thing is...That a lot of people are looking at the Floyd side. But, lets look at Martinez side...Would Martinez get credit if he beat Floyd? I'm not sure how much credit I'm willing to give him if he does beat Floyd.

14y ago

4Corners

Agreed, how is that fair? Have a former Middleweight, drop down to Jr.Middleweight and can't rehydrate properly on top of that. And you dare cry and complain with this thread in support of Floyd? I was just saying what Lou Dibella said in an interview. He said they would actually be open to signing something like that. Either way, Sergio wouldn't come into the fight over 164 or so. His last fight, he weighed in at 159 and came into the fight at 164. If it's at 154, I would only see him rehdrating 5-6 lbs at the most.

14y ago

Pocket_Dogs

Sergio is a great fight for Floyd......at 154. I'm not going to give Floyd any credit if Sergio fights him at 150. If he fights Sergio at 150, he'd be almost as bad as Pac with these catchweights. Pacquiao already has three catchweight fights: Cotto (145) Margarito (150) Marquez (144) Mayweather still only has one: Marquez (144 changed to 146 at the last minute). IMO, Floyd is still too small for Martinez. Martinez is just at an unfortunate place where he's too small for the big names at super middleweight and too big for the HUGE names at welterweight.

14y ago

Deevel916

14y ago

4Corners

I think the fight would be awesome no matter what.And, if Floyd takes Martinez offer at 150, who can blame Floyd? It's Martinez the one who's offering it. Agreed. If Pac fought Sergio at 150 (which is what he demanded), people would praise Pac all day long. I just won't give Floyd as much credit if it's at 150. If I had to grade it in terms of how much credit for each weight, I'd lay it out like this. 150 is a B. 152 is a B+, maybe an A- depending on what Sergio is on fight night. 154 is an A. Anything above that is an A+ no doubt. If it's at 150, it would still be a great fight, just won't get as much credit. If it's at 150, it still adds a lot to Floyd's legacy, especially since Sergio is seen as one of the bigger risks and better fighters in the world.

14y ago

jrosales13

14y ago

4Corners

it's not a bad fight. He gets mad props if he fights martinez. my only thing would be if he waits for pacquiao or not. he should wait till pac-jmm, assuming pac wins, negotiate. If they can't make the fight, go on with martinez. But the point is at least TRY to fight pacquiao. Pacquiao is pretty much already set for a fight with Bradley next though. Anyone who thinks otherwise or actually believes the whole "Nothing is set in stone or guaranteed" crap needs to wake up. Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez ALL were in line to fight Pac way before the actual fight. Bradley is next for Pac, his best pick since Marquez in 2008 or Morales in 2005.

14y ago

jrosales13

I just don't remember seeing so many stipulations before when people were saying mayweather was scared of Martinez. Now I'm seeing "anything less than 160 is a joke". Its hilarious I think the fight would be awesome no matter what.And, if Floyd takes Martinez offer at 150, who can blame Floyd? It's Martinez the one who's offering it.

14y ago

4Corners

I just don't remember seeing so many stipulations before when people were saying mayweather was scared of Martinez. Now I'm seeing "anything less than 160 is a joke". Its hilarious Agreed. If it's at 150, Floyd won't get as much credit from me though. He would still get decent credit, but not as much if it was anywhere from 152-156. Sergio kind of f**ked himself over by even saying he'd go down to 150. I have no doubt he can make 150 and still be good, I would just rather see it at 154. Just have Sergio sign something that says he won't come in on fight night over 164 lbs (what Ortiz was on fight night). That'd be fair.

14y ago

THE_REED

Just depends completely on what weight it's at...

14y ago