More rumors on Mayweather/Ortiz PPV buys

More of the same Makes you wonder where they're getting these numbers from when the 2 guys who know won't talk about them :lol1: First they claimed their 'sources' said 1.3 or 1.4 million, now the same nameless people are claiming 1 million... but HBO and GBP are saying 'no comment'. Strange situation...

More of the same @latimespugmire: Sorry I'm in NBA "heaven," right now boxing fans, but I've heard pay-per-view audience for @FloydMayweather-Ortiz was just over 1 million. @latimespugmire: HBO declined to release numbers, scratching head as to why Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy wouldn't divulge...now back to NBA!

i hope it didnt do good and i hope pac marquez dosent do good at all either same. these 2 need a wake up call so they fight soon

all bs... floyd did great numbers with a no name opponent.. haters always want to hate and make up bull****.. smh Just like how the flomos like to make **** up.. (ped use) get the fuk out here. *****..

last floyd fight ill buy tho unless he fights martinez or manny man , martinez is a middleweight. floyd ain't got to fight him. floyd needs to fight manny and if not manny other welterweights. if floyd wants to fight 154 and 160 guys , that's on him. not something what should expect though. he's a 147 fighter (a small one) , as long as he keeps fighting top 147 fighters that's all good. (which mosley and ortiz was)

If you still think this fight did 1.3 mil or better, you need help. Don't think it "flopped" on the level of a Pacquiao-Mosley but, at this point, I would be surprised if it cleared a mil. Pac Mosley = 1.3 Million Mayweather Ortiz = 1.1 million (?) tops :owned2:

Anytime a fight doesn't meet its expectations one could argue its a dissapointment. While I get what you and jrosales are saying that anything over a mil is good its not just about what is sold but how much was spent to sell it. In pac shanes case, 1.3 is good except when you factor in they advertised during primetime NCAA games. The 30 sec spots cost signifcicantly more money to put on CBS in primetime then the regular advertising. So in this sense it ddn't do "well". In floyd case he went on Conan, they replayed 24/7 on CNN. Instead of generating ppv sales these appearances seem to generate sales in movie theaters/closed circuit, where the company isn't making as much as they would if those same people bought ppv's. So in a sense it didn't do as well. Its not just about sales its about return on investment. Damn, you must have said something to really piss someone off. When did you go red? People need to understand that selling a million, selling 700-800k, that's GREAT PPV numbers, especially considering most people's financial situation these days. It's disappointing to Floyd and HBO maybe, but not in the actual context of what other fighters sell. I don't think it's a guarantee at all that even Pacquiao-Mayweather would break the Floyd-Oscar record.

People are asking the wrong questions and letting fanboyism cloud their judgment. Instead of arguing over drawing power and who lost money, why not ask the most obvious question- why is HBO and GBP working so hard to keep the buy rate under wraps? Anyone who says 1 million+ buys is a failure is an idiot, let's get that out of the way. So then if Iole's 'sources' are correct (and apparently they were dead wrong when they told him 1.3-1.4 million) and the fight did 1 million buys... why would that be gag order worthy? :thinking: I'm not buying (get it? :lol1:) the excuse that they're not releasing the number because it did less than Pacquiao-Mosley. Mayweather-Mosley did 1.4 million buys, then Pacquiao followed up with 1.2 million against Margarito. HBO and Top Rank didn't hide that number, in fact it was published by Taffet/HBO within a week. Why was there no conspiracy then? Also not buying the idea that they're guarding the secret because it didn't meet expectations. Schaefer ALWAYS throws out outlandish and ridiculous estimates for PPVs- he said Floyd-Shane would do 3-4 million buys, by their recent 'logic' that's a colossal failure. He predicted Floyd-Ortiz would surpass the DLH fight and then claimed 1.7-1.8 million, anyone with half a brain knew it wasn't going to sniff anything in that neighborhood. I just don't believe it came close to 1 million buys. 1 mil would be a cause for celebration and they would tell any news outlet willing to listen of their achievement, but for some reason Mark Taffet, the head of HBO PPV is deflecting questions about HBO PPV to promoters who refuse to talk about the issue? Doesn't sound like people sitting on 1 million buys to me, but looks like we'll never know for certain because they are going to their graves with the real buy rate. Remember how Arum acted after Pac vs Hatton? He got angry when pressured about the numbers and refused to give them claiming that they can take months to get. It wasn't because Pac vs Hatton did poorly. In fact the fight did great numbers. I think it was because he didn't want it used against him in negotiations. Maybe thats the case here. Or maybe they want to report the highest number possible for other reasons. Who knows. But Pac vs Hatton was also a HBO PPV fight that was very successful in witch the Promoter held on the the numbers so this wouldnt be the first.

If you still think this fight did 1.3 mil or better, you need help. Don't think it "flopped" on the level of a Pacquiao-Mosley but, at this point, I would be surprised if it cleared a mil.

Exactly. UFC is lucky if they can do a million ppv buys. Floyd does it on a regular basis. And people say boxing is dead! Not when Manny and Floyd are fighting! These guys are CASH COWS. They need to fight each other, and Pacquiao needs to ditch Bob Arum's ass. He's ripping Manny left right and center! How can a promoter take 27% from you? (+an additional 5% from Golden Boy!) Manny needs better financial advisory. Otherwise, he's gonna' be in debt before he retires! Anytime a fight doesn't meet its expectations one could argue its a dissapointment. While I get what you and jrosales are saying that anything over a mil is good its not just about what is sold but how much was spent to sell it. In pac shanes case, 1.3 is good except when you factor in they advertised during primetime NCAA games. The 30 sec spots cost signifcicantly more money to put on CBS in primetime then the regular advertising. So in this sense it ddn't do "well". In floyd case he went on Conan, they replayed 24/7 on CNN. Instead of generating ppv sales these appearances seem to generate sales in movie theaters/closed circuit, where the company isn't making as much as they would if those same people bought ppv's. So in a sense it didn't do as well. Its not just about sales its about return on investment.

People are asking the wrong questions and letting fanboyism cloud their judgment. Instead of arguing over drawing power and who lost money, why not ask the most obvious question- why is HBO and GBP working so hard to keep the buy rate under wraps? Anyone who says 1 million+ buys is a failure is an idiot, let's get that out of the way. So then if Iole's 'sources' are correct (and apparently they were dead wrong when they told him 1.3-1.4 million) and the fight did 1 million buys... why would that be gag order worthy? :thinking: I'm not buying (get it? :lol1:) the excuse that they're not releasing the number because it did less than Pacquiao-Mosley. Mayweather-Mosley did 1.4 million buys, then Pacquiao followed up with 1.2 million against Margarito. HBO and Top Rank didn't hide that number, in fact it was published by Taffet/HBO within a week. Why was there no conspiracy then? Also not buying the idea that they're guarding the secret because it didn't meet expectations. Schaefer ALWAYS throws out outlandish and ridiculous estimates for PPVs- he said Floyd-Shane would do 3-4 million buys, by their recent 'logic' that's a colossal failure. He predicted Floyd-Ortiz would surpass the DLH fight and then claimed 1.7-1.8 million, anyone with half a brain knew it wasn't going to sniff anything in that neighborhood. I just don't believe it came close to 1 million buys. 1 mil would be a cause for celebration and they would tell any news outlet willing to listen of their achievement, but for some reason Mark Taffet, the head of HBO PPV is deflecting questions about HBO PPV to promoters who refuse to talk about the issue? Doesn't sound like people sitting on 1 million buys to me, but looks like we'll never know for certain because they are going to their graves with the real buy rate. Good points in post but you are forgetting the movie theatre numbers. From all accounts the movie theater/closed circuit buys were up substantially. This is good for boxing but bad for floyd in that people were paying $15-$45 on average, instead of $64.95 on ppv. Showtime has yet to release the official pac mosly numbers as well. So clearly there is some gamesmanship going on. Maybe Floyd?Haymon are doing the same thing arum is.

People are asking the wrong questions and letting fanboyism cloud their judgment. Instead of arguing over drawing power and who lost money, why not ask the most obvious question- why is HBO and GBP working so hard to keep the buy rate under wraps? Anyone who says 1 million+ buys is a failure is an idiot, let's get that out of the way. So then if Iole's 'sources' are correct (and apparently they were dead wrong when they told him 1.3-1.4 million) and the fight did 1 million buys... why would that be gag order worthy? :thinking: I'm not buying (get it? :lol1:) the excuse that they're not releasing the number because it did less than Pacquiao-Mosley. Mayweather-Mosley did 1.4 million buys, then Pacquiao followed up with 1.2 million against Margarito. HBO and Top Rank didn't hide that number, in fact it was published by Taffet/HBO within a week. Why was there no conspiracy then? Also not buying the idea that they're guarding the secret because it didn't meet expectations. Schaefer ALWAYS throws out outlandish and ridiculous estimates for PPVs- he said Floyd-Shane would do 3-4 million buys, by their recent 'logic' that's a colossal failure. He predicted Floyd-Ortiz would surpass the DLH fight and then claimed 1.7-1.8 million, anyone with half a brain knew it wasn't going to sniff anything in that neighborhood. I just don't believe it came close to 1 million buys. 1 mil would be a cause for celebration and they would tell any news outlet willing to listen of their achievement, but for some reason Mark Taffet, the head of HBO PPV is deflecting questions about HBO PPV to promoters who refuse to talk about the issue? Doesn't sound like people sitting on 1 million buys to me, but looks like we'll never know for certain because they are going to their graves with the real buy rate. This ^^^^^^

People are asking the wrong questions and letting fanboyism cloud their judgment. Instead of arguing over drawing power and who lost money, why not ask the most obvious question- why is HBO and GBP working so hard to keep the buy rate under wraps? Anyone who says 1 million+ buys is a failure is an idiot, let's get that out of the way. So then if Iole's 'sources' are correct (and apparently they were dead wrong when they told him 1.3-1.4 million) and the fight did 1 million buys... why would that be gag order worthy? :thinking: I'm not buying (get it? :lol1:) the excuse that they're not releasing the number because it did less than Pacquiao-Mosley. Mayweather-Mosley did 1.4 million buys, then Pacquiao followed up with 1.2 million against Margarito. HBO and Top Rank didn't hide that number, in fact it was published by Taffet/HBO within a week. Why was there no conspiracy then? Also not buying the idea that they're guarding the secret because it didn't meet expectations. Schaefer ALWAYS throws out outlandish and ridiculous estimates for PPVs- he said Floyd-Shane would do 3-4 million buys, by their recent 'logic' that's a colossal failure. He predicted Floyd-Ortiz would surpass the DLH fight and then claimed 1.7-1.8 million, anyone with half a brain knew it wasn't going to sniff anything in that neighborhood. I just don't believe it came close to 1 million buys. 1 mil would be a cause for celebration and they would tell any news outlet willing to listen of their achievement, but for some reason Mark Taffet, the head of HBO PPV is deflecting questions about HBO PPV to promoters who refuse to talk about the issue? Doesn't sound like people sitting on 1 million buys to me, but looks like we'll never know for certain because they are going to their graves with the real buy rate.

the promotion lost money on this fight I don't think they spent that much on promotion

the promotion lost money on this fight

This is how a big of a draw Floyd is....When people say that his drawing power is exaggerated when he does around a mili buys. When his event does anywhere from 850k-1.1mil and idiots you got morons saying that's a disappointment...That's how you can tell that this mofo drawing power is unreal. Same thing with Pac though...When you got people saying he "ONLY" had 700K buys...Then you know dude drawing power is very high... These other numbers no other can do...People forget that there were times when Oscar couldn't even reach these type of numbers. Even in his peak. That's why I laugh at the retards who try to diss or discredit either fighter when they're events sell so much. This................

How hard is it to understand for boxing fans that 500,000 buys doesn't equate to $35 million in the pocket for Floyd? It's 45 percent of that figure at most. Not hating, just tired of seeing ignorant fans spout off ignorant numbers.

This is how a big of a draw Floyd is....When people say that his drawing power is exaggerated when he does around a mili buys. When his event does anywhere from 850k-1.1mil and you got morons saying that's a disappointment...That's how you can tell that this mofo drawing power is unreal. Same thing with Pac though...When you got people saying he "ONLY" had 700K buys...Then you know dude drawing power is very high... These numbers no other fighters can do...People forget that there were times when Oscar couldn't even reach these type of numbers. Even in his peak. That's why I laugh at the retards who try to diss or discredit either fighter when they're events sell so much.

Floyd or GBP did that? I must have missed that. Can you link me? Also, how can you say "in fact" then in the next few words you say "rumors"? LOL. What do you mean "maybe true", that been already been established. And again, I'm not the "ppv buys" guy so this convo probably won't carry on too much longer. Because its a FACT that there are indeed RUMORS going around that the fight did far less than anticipated. Got it? ;)

?? Pac mosley was released by espn, giving a confident figure...so far all we have from this one is estimates. I wasnt trying to compare ppv buys, so congratulations. 1.4 was a very good number. When richard schaefer releases the number to espn (ie confirms it - not guesstimates it) then you can make that statement. I still say that 1.1 million is rather low for a mayweather vs mexican fight on mexican holiday. Mayweather usually generates much higher than that... Whats the difference between a "confident figure" and an estimate? NOTHING. :lame: