Was Hopkins' Shoulder Really Dislocated?

He didnt have to pop it back in for me, all he had to do was GET up, which of course he didnt want to I see what you mean. :lol1: If he would have popped it back in. He would have been able to continue.

Yes. It was dislocated. ESPN had reported that it was. Thing is. It's not that bad of an injury. Most athletes just tell them to pop it right back in and they continue doing their thing. Hopkins loss face with that incident. If he was real he would have told them to pop it back in. Instead he lets it be ended. I mean, if a college runningback at oregon can pop his elbow back in place HIMSELF. I am sure Hopkins could have continued. He said he would continue with one arm but did he? He didnt have to pop it back in for me, all he had to do was GET up, which of course he didnt want to

Yes. It was dislocated. ESPN had reported that it was. Thing is. It's not that bad of an injury. Most athletes just tell them to pop it right back in and they continue doing their thing. Hopkins loss face with that incident. If he was real he would have told them to pop it back in. Instead he lets it be ended. I mean, if a college runningback at oregon can pop his elbow back in place HIMSELF. I am sure Hopkins could have continued. He said he would continue with one arm but did he?

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An AC Joint Dislocation which is what the doctor's report stated is NOT the same thing as a shoulder dislocation. Two completely different injuries. The more usual term for AC dislocation is 'AC separation' or 'shoulder separation.' It is NOT the same thing as a dislocated shoulder and can be faked because the main test other than MRI involves the doctor checking for pain in certain areas and asking how it happened. When he gets an MRI it will show it there was really any damage and if so to what extent. The one thing that's certain is that he could've continued if he wanted to because people have continued with actual dislocations (once they've been popped back in) so there's no reason why he couldn't have continued with a low grade separation. I haven't gone through the whole thread to see if anyone's already explained all this so I apologize if it's a repeat. This is an AC Joint Dislocation. Did Hopkins' shoulder look like any of these? http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/408/532/mos0201.01.fig1.jpg http://distractible.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/shoulder_separation_clinical_photo.gif http://www.drtomaino.com/uploads/images/preop.clinical%20appearance%20ac%20sep..jpg http://web.me.com/marvinlo/baschsp/page5/files/acseparationphoto.png

Dan Raphael may not know that a separation is completely different from a dislocation. A separation can be merely a strained tendon, not visible on Xray, whereas a disclocation is an actual removal of the ball of the humerus from the shallow socket, and very visible on Xray. A fighter could fight with a separation, but not with a dislocation. I fall from a bike onto the pavement, got a dislocation; also the ball was cracked in 3 places....... I haven't had full arm/shoulder movement since. I used to play rugby with a fellow (he was also a very good boxer) whose shoulder would dislocate sometimes more than once in a match. We had a couple of doctors on the team and it would be attended to on the spot. Painful but instant. I'll be very surprised if Hopkins had a dislocation, and believe, before the announcement, (if we ever get it- a doctor is not allowed to discuss a patient's condition without his permission, and many would not anyway) that Hopkins was playing up for all he was worth. It was he who initiated the whole action by deliberately throwing himself across Dawson 's back and pushing him down. I'd siill be doubtful, especially if it is Hopkins or his team who issues the report. If it were to be untrue, the doctor can't contradict him anyway. What do you mean Dan Rafael might not know the difference? The doctor made the report... not Dan.

why would he fake a injury to get out of a fight and lose his title? He was looking for a no contest. That's why he was bewildered when he found out that he was losing his title.

explain the report by dr sam thurber tweeted by dan rafael that i showed in the video that reads "dislocation". An AC Joint Dislocation which is what the doctor's report stated is NOT the same thing as a shoulder dislocation. Two completely different injuries. The more usual term for AC dislocation is 'AC separation' or 'shoulder separation.' It is NOT the same thing as a dislocated shoulder and can be faked because the main test other than MRI involves the doctor checking for pain in certain areas and asking how it happened. When he gets an MRI it will show it there was really any damage and if so to what extent. The one thing that's certain is that he could've continued if he wanted to because people have continued with actual dislocations (once they've been popped back in) so there's no reason why he couldn't have continued with a low grade separation. I haven't gone through the whole thread to see if anyone's already explained all this so I apologize if it's a repeat.

The shoulder injury is a bad news to any boxer using Shoulder roll as defense. What if a Boxer got hit so hard in the shoulder joint? He gets flustered immediately with wild and hard combos in his face. Sonny Liston experienced such injury, so he quit the fight.

Dawson was going to win and i think Hopkins tried to fight dirty...again. But it back fired and Dawson behaved just as a fighter should have behaved... foul a fighter back during the action of the fight (not sucker punch him when he's not expecting it). Hopkins just can't beat the young hungry fighters (since the Taylor fights).

explain the report by dr sam thurber tweeted by dan rafael that i showed in the video that reads "dislocation". Dan Raphael may not know that a separation is completely different from a dislocation. A separation can be merely a strained tendon, not visible on Xray, whereas a disclocation is an actual removal of the ball of the humerus from the shallow socket, and very visible on Xray. A fighter could fight with a separation, but not with a dislocation. I fall from a bike onto the pavement, got a dislocation; also the ball was cracked in 3 places....... I haven't had full arm/shoulder movement since. I used to play rugby with a fellow (he was also a very good boxer) whose shoulder would dislocate sometimes more than once in a match. We had a couple of doctors on the team and it would be attended to on the spot. Painful but instant. I'll be very surprised if Hopkins had a dislocation, and believe, before the announcement, (if we ever get it- a doctor is not allowed to discuss a patient's condition without his permission, and many would not anyway) that Hopkins was playing up for all he was worth. It was he who initiated the whole action by deliberately throwing himself across Dawson 's back and pushing him down. I'd siill be doubtful, especially if it is Hopkins or his team who issues the report. If it were to be untrue, the doctor can't contradict him anyway.

fact is dawson had ill-intent when doing what he did... he is the one to blame..... Long live Benard Hopkins the soon to be lhw champ again

No it was not dislocated, he wouldn't be able to keep his arm straight, let aone shrug his shoulders in to show Kellerman the difference between his shoulders in the post fight interview. great point about the shoulder shrugging. i'm a massive hopkins fan, but the ease at which he did the shoulder shrug suggests to me he was exagerating the extent of injury.

I agree. Especially in the 2nd round...what is the deal with that? I think there is a legitimate injury. Because the correct call should have been a NC and he knew that, we all do, allowing him to keep his titles

why would he fake a injury to get out of a fight and lose his title? I agree. Especially in the 2nd round...what is the deal with that? I think there is a legitimate injury.

why would he fake a injury to get out of a fight and lose his title?

Whatever it was, I am convinced there will be no structural damage and te MRI will report a Sprain

I dont beleive it, but if its true that will learn him not to lean on people

Yeah it was a separated shoulder. That was the medical reports on ESPN after the fight. The report said dislocation... not separation.

Yeah it was a separated shoulder. That was the medical reports on ESPN after the fight.