Hey Floyd, Sugar Ray Robinson used to go up into the MW division all the time.

You are wrong, Leonard tok advantage of his money position to make Donny Lalonde, a NATURAL lt. heavy, come in at under 168 lbs, so that the phony promotion could call it a fight for both the Lt. heavyweight and newly created Super middle weight titles. bsolutely nobody...except you of course.... regatds eonard as having won a lt. heavy title. Lalonde had said he agreed only becuase he really needed the money. As it was he lasted aboyt 9 rds and was doing well until he suddenly faded. I seem to recall that he even KD'd Leonard. The weights were Leonard 165 Lalonde 167.

Other than Sergio who at 160 should Floyd venture up to fight.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459278&highlight=lamotta+lewis&page=3 good times, i was really trying to debate that without coming across as a troll, but that can't be helped

Mayweather has already risen 17 lbs in his career to fight at welterweight (bearing in mind that 1 lb is more siginificant the smaller a fighter is), so it's not really fair to demand he add another 13 lbs onto that to challenge middleweights.

i dont remember that http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459278&highlight=lamotta+lewis&page=3

No Martinez would get destroyed, maybe even stopped, I've exposed your lack of knowledge on LaMotta before. i dont remember that

Based on what? Beating Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams? Jake Lamotta beat Ray Robinson and Marcel Cerdan at Middleweight. He beat better fighters than Martinez at Middleweight, and plently of them. Martinez has never fought anyone on Lamotta's level at Middleweight and has struggled at times. based on martinez's power, style and lamotta's style and jake would've lost to pavlik maybe in the lower weights he beats sergio, but at middleweight? doubt it anyway, if the question was that lamotta has achieved more, i agree

dont try and argue that martinez would likely beat the living sht outta lamotta h2h? No Martinez would get destroyed, maybe even stopped, I've exposed your lack of knowledge on LaMotta before.

Based on what? Beating Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams? Jake Lamotta beat Ray Robinson and Marcel Cerdan at Middleweight. He beat better fighters than Martinez at Middleweight, and plently of them. Martinez has never fought anyone on Lamotta's level at Middleweight and has struggled at times. Iron Dan, debating with these "BoxRec" college grads will make you lose focus on the facts you already know... :boxing:

People need to realize this is 2011 You won't see jumping from a weight class to another for no big reason... And Floyd should stay in WW its he's natural weight, plus if he doesn't stay you will only hear about Floyd ducking Pac

dont try and argue that martinez would likely beat the living sht outta lamotta h2h? Based on what? Beating Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams? Jake Lamotta beat Ray Robinson and Marcel Cerdan at Middleweight. He beat better fighters than Martinez at Middleweight, and plently of them. Martinez has never fought anyone on Lamotta's level at Middleweight and has struggled at times.

Easily, and you don't know anything about LaMotta so don't try and argue otherwise. dont try and argue that martinez would likely beat the living sht outta lamotta h2h?

jake lamotta is better than martinez? are you foreal? Easily, and you don't know anything about LaMotta so don't try and argue otherwise.

Erm, yes.. wait, is this h2h or are we talking resume?

jake lamotta is better than martinez? are you foreal? Erm, yes..

Sugar is bigger then Floyd, and Martinez is better then 98% of the middle weights Sugar fought. better as in? he's not as tough as lamotta or as strong as graziano

sounds like Paul Williams

Problem is Floydie' ain't the same as that of Sugar Ray Robinson; Another African-American Boxer, Sugar Ray Leonard even made much better than Sugar Ray Robinson, when he went up and fought and win in the Light Heavy Division. No need for Floydie to go up Middle weight, all he has to do, as what Majority of Boxing Fans wants him to do is, for him to fight Pacman!

Thats why i can never see Floyd as a truly great fighter. He is far too calculating for my liking. Fighting Sergio is a little risky, but so what? Dont you want a challenge or what? I get the feeling Floyd is considering fighting Sergio at some point, but he is being awfully quiet about it if he is!

Bobo Olsen Randy Turpin Jake Lamotta Gene Fullmer Rapidly spring to mind. Hell, is Martinez even better than Robert Villemain? It's argubale. It's an obvious stupid statment and doesn't need a justification. jake lamotta is better than martinez? are you foreal?