Comments Thread For: haye's Lack of Size Cost Him His Heavyweight Dream

Wow, it really is true pictures really do speak a thousand words. That was some funny sh!t, and who said that Wlad has no sense of humor? LOL LMAO LOL LMAO LOL LAMO LOL

But its true and i stated that they didn’t try to weight drain them self’s. In Dempsey bio a flame of pure fire they state many times that Dempsey like to cut down to just under 190lb as he felt best at that weight when fighting but that was below his walk around weight same with Marciano. I thought it was pretty common knowledge??? read some old autobiographies. I've heard that tyson cut weight too,not sure if true though

Yeah but being in the best shape of their careers usually means they're just "less fat" That's simply not true. Most of them were in very good shape for their fights with the Klitschkos, they just didn't have the requisite skills.

lack of balls. makes more sense now

What on earth are you talking about. He was WBA heavyweight champion. So is Povetkin. And Valuev didn't win the title in the ring any more than Povetkin did. The WBxyz titles are meaningless baubles which have nothing to do with being the Heavyweight champion of the world. By definition there can only be one Heavyweight champion of the world at any given time, and Wlad became the champion when he won the lineal title by beating Chagaev. When Haye fought Valuev, Valuev wasn't even a top 5 Heavyweight, he was ranked #6 at the time. Povetkin is a different story along with the Super champion crap. Not a different story at all. Valuev was given the WBA title without winning it in the ring, and it was the same with Povetkin. And Povetkin is far more highly ranked now (at #3) than Valuev was back then. Beibut Shumenov currently holds the WBA's Light Heavyweight belt, but if you seriously think he is the World Light Heavyweight champion (he's currently ranked #7 at the weight) then you should forget about posting on boxing forums and stick to topics you know something about.

What on earth are you talking about. He was WBA heavyweight champion. Povetkin is a different story along with the Super champion crap. Chagaev beat Valuev in the ring for the WBA HW title. Valuev was then given back the title for some reason and I think Chagaev was "champion in recess". Whatever that means.

Stupidest post in the thread. You clearly don't know what "world champion" means. The Heavyweight world champion was and remains Wlad Klitschko. Valuev was ranked #6 at the time. The fact Valuev held a meaningless bauble (which he didn't even win in the ring) is neither here nor there, other than in the sense that it gave Haye a lot more financial clout in his subsequent negotiations. I suppose you think that the current World Heavyweight Champion is Povetkin - after all, he currently holds the same meaningless bauble Haye used to hold .... What on earth are you talking about. He was WBA heavyweight champion. Povetkin is a different story along with the Super champion crap.

Klitschko haters love to grasp any straw they can. Just like when they say Corrie Sanders was a fat, washed up golfer. When in reality he was in the best shape of his career fighting at his lowest weight in 6 years. Yeah but being in the best shape of their careers usually means they're just "less fat"

honestly though, if the majority of heavyweights would actually get in shape alot of them would probabley be cruisers the klitschko's are dominating so big because their opposition is usually flabby As Dave Rado said above, aside from Chris Arreola there is nobody who showed up flabby to fight the Klitschkos. Most of them weren't musclheads like Shannon Briggs but I dont remember anyone's gut hanging over their shorts.

Haye's "lack of size" had nothing to do with it. While he's not as big as the Klitschkos for example, he's still a natural heavyweight. This isn't like Adamek or Chambers who both could easily make cruiserweight. His heavyweight dream went downhill once he decided to fight Wladimir the way he did. All that talk of a KO and he didn't commit to big shots the whole fight then he resorted to a weak excuse after. :ugh:

That's a myth - most of them get into the best shape of their careers when they fight one of the Klitschkos. Many of them are flabby against other opponents but other than Arreola, almost none of them have been flabby against either of the Klitschkos. Klitschko haters love to grasp any straw they can. Just like when they say Corrie Sanders was a fat, washed up golfer. When in reality he was in the best shape of his career fighting at his lowest weight in 6 years.

honestly though, if the majority of heavyweights would actually get in shape alot of them would probabley be cruisers the klitschko's are dominating so big because their opposition is usually flabby That's a myth - most of them get into the best shape of their careers when they fight one of the Klitschkos. Many of them are flabby against other opponents but other than Arreola, almost none of them have been flabby against either of the Klitschkos.

That's ridiculous. If they made another division with say a limit of 220, the guys who fought at that weight would be marginalized just like Cruiserweights are today. They wouldn't make nearly as much money as the Super Heavyweights and would just end up having to challenge them to get respect and a payday anyhow. As soon as someone became the 220 lb champ fans would say "fight a Klitschko or nobody cares." I honestly cannot believe that people support such an assinine idea as adding another weight class to a sport that already has way too many. honestly though, if the majority of heavyweights would actually get in shape alot of them would probabley be cruisers the klitschko's are dominating so big because their opposition is usually flabby

He only fought one world class Cruiserweight, and he was past his prime. And Haye lost at least ten rounds against Wlad, arguably eleven, which was certainly a serious humiliation, if not quite a beat down. Haye also found himself floored by a past prime Mormack and was forced onto the back foot and cut by Fragomeni who was beaten by Zsolt Erdei as well as Haye. Had Fragomeni some skill or power he would have probably ended Haye's charade that night. Sadly he has nothing more than heart and determination and found himself outgunned. Of course it didn't help him that Haye was allowed to smash him with an extra right hand when he was already down.

I've always and still do feel this way. Boxing needs a super heavy weight division desperately. Klits get an unfair advantage. That's ridiculous. If they made another division with say a limit of 220, the guys who fought at that weight would be marginalized just like Cruiserweights are today. They wouldn't make nearly as much money as the Super Heavyweights and would just end up having to challenge them to get respect and a payday anyhow. As soon as someone became the 220 lb champ fans would say "fight a Klitschko or nobody cares." I honestly cannot believe that people support such an assinine idea as adding another weight class to a sport that already has way too many.

He was getting tagged with that jab. It's the only punch Wlad throws and it was indeed landing. The only thing Haye did well in the fight was avoid most of Wlad's jabs. Some landed (a lot landed numerically but not a lot as a proportion of those thrown); and even those that didn't land prevented Haye from being able to go onto the offensive; but Wlad has one of the top 5 jabs in Heavyweight history (arguably top 2); and your claim that any fighter from the past would have found it easy to avoid his jab is just laughable. He feints with it very subtly, his workrate with the jab is phenomenal for a big man, and the accuracy, speed and power of his jab is leagues better than that of any other Heavyweight today and better than almost all the jabs of the past greats. And Wlad threw a lot of rights, right, from the first round onwards. He relies on the jab to set up his right and he throws far more jabs than rights, but for you to claim he didn't throw any rights either means you didn't watch the fight or that you are being dishonest. He actually threw a lot more rights against Haye than he usually throws.

Taken from the Lennox fight. I know it's Vitali but they both fight the same. I stopped reading there. Their styles couldn't be more different from each other and if you aren't aware of that then you either have never watched them or you simply know nothing about boxing.

You missed the majority of his entire career..at cruiserweight. A serious beat down?!! Is your name Piers Morgan? More spin than him He only fought one world class Cruiserweight, and he was past his prime. And Haye lost at least ten rounds against Wlad, arguably eleven, which was certainly a serious humiliation, if not quite a beat down.

But you get too many children on this forum who aren't capable of holding decent discussion. Such as someone who posted that Haye was the world Heavyweight champion.