Is being undefeated becoming a bit easy to achieve?

Yet I think Only Marciano is the only one who retire undefeated and a champion. Although Lewis retired as a champion with no unavenged defeats (pretty much undefeated).

Yeah but overall, being undefeated hasn't become easier over the years. Many people did it it back then too. What's become easier is getting primetime paper without proving yourself. Yet I think Only Marciano is the only one who retire undefeated and a champion.

you have to look at what the boxer has achieved while being undefeated......if you a multi weight champ,or have of your fights are championship fights..id say it amazing These days you can still be a fraud and achieve those things.

I'm thinking of Aaron Pryor,He fought everyone and lost to a nobody very late in his career. Outside of the Arguello fights, his record isn't that great, I'd still rank him as an ATG but there were fights out there he could've made but didn't.

I'm thinking of Aaron Pryor,He fought everyone and lost to a nobody very late in his career. Yeah but overall, being undefeated hasn't become easier over the years. Many people did it it back then too. What's become easier is getting primetime paper without proving yourself.

I don't think so. It's always been like that, particularly if the fighter is based in one country for long periods. Plus, there are plenty of fighters with early and late losses in the game right now and it's always been that way too. Nothing's changed. I'm thinking of Aaron Pryor,He fought everyone and lost to a nobody very late in his career.

What do you guys think about this guy's undefeated record? http://briankaldorf.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/spadafora-web2.jpg?w=384&h=576 Who dat ese?. :cool2:

Cesar Rene Cuenca Yeah man....He's a one knock out artist!......:hail::lol1:

It's not all about being undefeated. Try winning the WBC in 5 divisions and remain undefeated. Not to mention 9 defenses at 130. Who are you reffering to?.:D Paul Williams is one of those guys that are too big for his division and dominated everyone. (He reminds me of Cosmo Kramer of Seinfeld fame,When he dominated his division. :lol1:).Until he met someone in his natural division and get whipped in such a short time.

Chris john 45-0 Julio Cesar Chaves 43-0 et al.... And there are a lot more out there who have almost similar record.Is this more to managing the boxer skill,Rather than the boxer's skill?. I don't think so. It's always been like that, particularly if the fighter is based in one country for long periods. Plus, there are plenty of fighters with early and late losses in the game right now and it's always been that way too. Nothing's changed.

I guess if you get gift decissiona and fight guys you know you can beat, but there will always be that tough fight or that guy who comes to fight. When you are undefeated and have fought world class competition then you deserve credit for being a beast or ATG. Theres a difference in Joe Calzaghe and Marciano being undefeated and Floyd Mayweather being undefeated IMO. Joe was very sheltered Marciano fought at a very good time when competiton was old Floyd has been criticized for not fighting Cotto, Margarito, Manny and maybe Paul Williams, but in his defense he fought Hatton, Corrales, Delahoya, Mosley when Manny wouldn't fight him because roach said he was too good and then Ortiz. Chavez and Alvarez are way over rated and have been very well guided. Undefeated doesn't garner as nuch respect in my book as a fighter like Oscar whom not only fought everyone from Whitaker, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad, Pacquaio, Chavez and numerous others but was also well rewarded with riches. Because Oscar lost some of those bouts do we grade him below Mayweather and Pacquaio of course we do, but its obvious that May and Pac picked and chose who they wanted to fight. Pac ducked Mosley after he demolished Margarito, and he also ducked a whole JWW division that was loaded with talent from Bradley, Khan and you all know the rest of those guys but when delahoya was in those divisions he cleaned them out. He may have received a few gift decisions but he also was robbed a couple of times. No one of recent times besides Hopkins comes close to Oscar's resume. Defeat or no defeat. I could'nt agree with you more. Glen Johnson with 15 losses, would take any challenges got my respect. I'm thinking of Edwin Valero had he not died would be one of those who would take on any challenges.But I think he would lose along the way.....

I could'nt think of other "undefeated" boxers with at least 40 fights....Add more if you want. What do you guys think about this guy's undefeated record? http://briankaldorf.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/spadafora-web2.jpg?w=384&h=576

In short,NO...

tsk It's not all about being undefeated. Try winning the WBC in 5 divisions and remain undefeated. Not to mention 9 defenses at 130.

I could'nt think of other "undefeated" boxers with at least 40 fights....Add more if you want. :lol1::lol1: I guess if you get gift decissiona and fight guys you know you can beat, but there will always be that tough fight or that guy who comes to fight. When you are undefeated and have fought world class competition then you deserve credit for being a beast or ATG. Theres a difference in Joe Calzaghe and Marciano being undefeated and Floyd Mayweather being undefeated IMO. Joe was very sheltered Marciano fought at a very good time when competiton was old Floyd has been criticized for not fighting Cotto, Margarito, Manny and maybe Paul Williams, but in his defense he fought Hatton, Corrales, Delahoya, Mosley when Manny wouldn't fight him because roach said he was too good and then Ortiz. Chavez and Alvarez are way over rated and have been very well guided. Undefeated doesn't garner as nuch respect in my book as a fighter like Oscar whom not only fought everyone from Whitaker, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad, Pacquaio, Chavez and numerous others but was also well rewarded with riches. Because Oscar lost some of those bouts do we grade him below Mayweather and Pacquaio of course we do, but its obvious that May and Pac picked and chose who they wanted to fight. Pac ducked Mosley after he demolished Margarito, and he also ducked a whole JWW division that was loaded with talent from Bradley, Khan and you all know the rest of those guys but when delahoya was in those divisions he cleaned them out. He may have received a few gift decisions but he also was robbed a couple of times. No one of recent times besides Hopkins comes close to Oscar's resume. Defeat or no defeat.

I'm guessing your dumb by the fact you have Chris John there. Remove him and carry on. I could'nt think of other "undefeated" boxers with at least 40 fights....Add more if you want. :lol1::lol1:

It's easy to achieve if you're only fighting mediocre competition, but the main problem is that being undefeated is seen as a major string to a fighter's bow (wrongly, imo). It gets to the point where it's more desirable to protect the unbeaten record than risk it against better fighters, which can't be good for boxing. In days gone by if you were undefeated it meant you were untested. So one can say to those who have undefeated record that they have not been tested to the very limit of their ability,That they are hovering around and just fighting opponents that are either mediocre or they can surely beat.

Chris john 45-0 Julio Cesar Chaves 43-0 et al.... And there are a lot more out there who have almost similar record.Is this more to managing the boxer skill,Rather than the boxer's skill?. I think your right and its actually ruining boxing a bit for the following reasons. 1) The boxer doesnt learn enough to be in a position to be challenging for titles recent examples have highlighted they fall quite short of winning. 2) The boxers confidence is destroyed when they do lose, losing is part becoming a champ. 3) The viewers watch the fighter progress, get hyped up but when they step up they disappoint. Only Top Top Top class fighters will remain unbeaten, If boxers are more evenly matched throughout their career the learning will be much quicker, yes initally you need a few learning fights against journeyman but that should go beyond 5 or so fights.

you have to look at what the boxer has achieved while being undefeated......if you a multi weight champ,or have of your fights are championship fights..id say it amazing If those accomplishment are made by the Managers and promoters to the advantage of the boxer to stay undefeated would that be questionable?. I mean one can fight some good for nothing champions or mediocre champions along the way and take their title.

Being undefeated is pretty easy to achieve. Im undefeated right now. ..and we all have serious high hopes for you Diggler!