For everyone who says Mayweather ducked Cotto

He probably did duck Cotto but not like he did Margarito and Pacquiao. That was different.

yeah... but before that, he took on a JWW.... then, retired, while the WW division was packed w/ competition. funny thing after is, he un-retired and this time took on a LW. What are you talking about it went Oscar I and then Hatton which was a legitimate fight, the next fight after that was going to be Oscar II which would have been in May. Cotto Margarito would have still happened. 147 wasn't that packed it was like 4 deep, strong at the top but after that it really fell off. Nothing would have changed if that first retirement didn't happen~

Yes, Cotto is ducking Martinez for the more lucrative and personal match with Margarito (who holds a win over Martinez :) ) I'm not mad at Cotto for the decision he made...its good for revenge and his pockets but its also safe to say that Floyd never takes a step back in the money department...even when it came to Marg and Baldo...he made it a point to stick it to arum by not only getting all the belts but gettin 1 dollar more to further his "I'm serious about my money and I'm a better better business man than u think."

I've never seen Cotto say he wants to fight May, I remember him saying he doesn't need to fight May for his legacy. If I'm not mistaken that is also what Pac says about fighting him. It is way too much of a coincidence that all of May's so called ducks are Top Rank fighters. I seriously doubt May fears the entire TR stable. Pac is his own cash cow just like May. Pac doesn't need to chase him down and call his name out like the others did to get a big payday, every fight for him is a big payday. They both did whatever they had to do to get a Delahoya fight because he was the "money" guy. Now both of them are the "money" guy, so every fighter out there wants a piece. They are prize fighters not pride fighters. I bet by 2013 the story will be that May is ducking Bradley. You guys forget. Build up to Alfonso fight, Cotto said he wantedto fight May on a interview with ESPN. He also saidhe can't force May to fight him. May made excuses "Cotto lives in puerto rico, no draw, he needs to leave Arum first"

Those fights were not the next move for Floyd Oscar II was, when that didn't come off because Oscar didn't want to pay Floyd more than before he retired thinking Oscar would have to come back to him, it didn't work out that way and by the time it was all sorted out both guys were tarnished. If Floyd didn't retire it was Oscar in May which would have left Cotto versus Margarito in the summer, would Floyd have fought in the fall who knows but if he waited until May just to act like the big man (kind of likely if you ask me) the Mosley fight would have happened. I don't see how him retiring really did anything unless you say he was going to fight in the fall or winter which knowing Floyd would have been far from a sure thing. yeah... but before that, he took on a JWW.... then, retired, while the WW division was packed w/ competition. funny thing after is, he un-retired and this time took on a LW.

They aren't related at all, just want Cotto to be held to the exact same standard by everyone who claims Floyd ducked him. Clearly I do not think Floyd ducked Cotto. If you feel Floyd didn't duck Cotto, then Cotto isnt ducking Martinez. End of thread.

I've never seen Cotto say he wants to fight May, I remember him saying he doesn't need to fight May for his legacy. If I'm not mistaken that is also what Pac says about fighting him. It is way too much of a coincidence that all of May's so called ducks are Top Rank fighters. I seriously doubt May fears the entire TR stable. Pac is his own cash cow just like May. Pac doesn't need to chase him down and call his name out like the others did to get a big payday, every fight for him is a big payday. They both did whatever they had to do to get a Delahoya fight because he was the "money" guy. Now both of them are the "money" guy, so every fighter out there wants a piece. They are prize fighters not pride fighters. I bet by 2013 the story will be that May is ducking Bradley.

we gonna have to agree to disagree. Floyd left Arum because of haymon. DLH never told floyd to leave arum to get a fight with dlh. well, it's actually more technical than that, but whatever leaving promoters wasn't a big deal until the most recent cold war between TR and GBP. DLH never forced floyd to leave TR. you can't really use that excuse for floyd vs cotto or margarito. if floyd wanted to fight cotto and margarito it would've happened Haymon was part of it but the goal was to get a fight with Oscar, Oscar and Arum where deep beefing at the time so the only way to make the fight was to leave Arum, whether stated in public, behind the scenes or implied that was a known issue. Floyd wasn't getting that fight with Top Rank so I don't know what you expected Floyd to do, he knew the deal if he wanted that fight Arum couldn't be involved, it shouldn't be surprising he expected others to do that~ If Cotto or Margarito wanted the fight they were the ones chasing it, they needed to do what it took to make it happen so they obviously didn't want the fight to badly either.

not looking at any sides. it's just these three were beltholders w/in a period of 2yrs. sure floyd fought oscar for the money, who wouldnt. but to retire after fighting a career JWW when the competition is there? Those fights were not the next move for Floyd Oscar II was, when that didn't come off because Oscar didn't want to pay Floyd more than before he retired thinking Oscar would have to come back to him, it didn't work out that way and by the time it was all sorted out both guys were tarnished. If Floyd didn't retire it was Oscar in May which would have left Cotto versus Margarito in the summer, would Floyd have fought in the fall who knows but if he waited until May just to act like the big man (kind of likely if you ask me) the Mosley fight would have happened. I don't see how him retiring really did anything unless you say he was going to fight in the fall or winter which knowing Floyd would have been far from a sure thing.

floyd would've whooped cotto anyway, his defense and stamina wouldnt hold up..respect cotto but his signature left body hook wouldnt get through floyds arm, hes too cover up

I want each and every one of you to come into this thread and state: Yes Cotto is currently ducking Sergio Martinez at 154. All of you please line up and do it. oh yeah your right a 154 IB fighter not interested in facing a guy who is in a higher weight division then him and only concentrating on his own division right now is ducking and you are comparing that to when cotto at welterweight wanted to face mayweather jr at welterweight floyds natural weight division?!?!.....yeah your a genius mate it is EXACTLY the same :stooges:

well, dlh didn't do it to floyd. dlh told floyd to move up to WW first. floyd left arum because of haymon. dlh has always been willing to work with TR if there was enough cash in it. technically, pac didn't do it to mosley or jmm... arum did. I pretty sure pac would've fought jmm regardless of who was promoting them as long as he got what he thought he deserved financially. as for mosley, mosley was a free agent and GBP worked with him on a fight by fight basis, but my personal feeling on this is that mosley should've stayed with GBP out of loyalty. but arum telling jmm to leave GBP to get a fight with pac is pretty disgraceful on arum's part. you gotta admit that. I mean it's one thing if a boxer's contract runs out and Arum signs them (like bradley) but it's a total bully move to tell someone to quit their promoter before they can get a fight. Floyd left Arum to get his shot at Oscar, Floyd was with Arum when he went to 147 Judah was his last fight with Arum. Semantics those guys had to leave to make the fights occur, that is how the game works. If those guys wanted Floyd who was carrying the big stick compared to both guys they had to meet his demands, they didn't/wouldn't so there is nothing to talk about because they didn't do what it takes to make it happen. Oscar-Floyd Floyd made the mover fight happened Manny-Mosley Mosley made teh move fight happened Manny-JMM JMM made the move fight happened Floyd-Margarito didn't make teh move fight didn't happen Floyd-Cotto didn't make the move fight didn't happen See the differences some guys really wanted the fight to did what it took.

If you only look at one side you can believe that, but it really isn't the whole story~ not looking at any sides. it's just these three were beltholders w/in a period of 2yrs. sure floyd fought oscar for the money, who wouldnt. but to retire after fighting a career JWW when the competition is there?

c'mon gambler. that's a pretty ridiculous demand: "leave your promoter then we can fight". I mean its even shameful that jmm had to leave GBP to fight pac, but that wasn't pac's demand that was arum's. And I think arum only started doing that when GBP started doing that. It has happened before, Oscar did it to Floyd. Manny did it to JMM~ Manny did it to Mosley If you aren't willing to do what it takes to get the guy you are chasing in the ring don't complain or cry because you are willing to do what it takes. It is not like they would not have been compensated for their trouble or been left in the cold~

He isn't technically golden boy but he uses golden boy to promote all of his fights. When the war was going on it wasn't possible any top rank/golden boy fights to happen. At that time they were making fights together that's why I mentioned it. Like I said, if Floyd really wanted those fights they could have happened. He could have put his feelings aside for bob and they could have went down, imo. Yea but that has little to do with the beef between Floyd and Arum other than if you are talking the very beginning. GBP doesn't equal Floyd, Floyd has his own beefs and concerns. Arum could have shut the fuck up in public and tried to really make it work behind the scenes. Two sides of this coin and reasons stuff doesn't happen. If Cotto or Margarito really wanted Floyd they could have left Arum they didn't so they must not have really wanted Floyd that bad~

of course cotto wanted the fight. he even said so but was coy about it. he wasn't going to beg and chase floyd around like khan currently is doing. that's floyd's problem and a very convenient excuse, and not arum's problem. arum would've made the fight if it was available. Saying and trying to make it happen for real are two different things. Yea it is Arum's problem because he was the guy bad mouthing Floyd every chance he got and that has an unresolved civil case because Floyd felt he owed him a ton of money (which Arum admitted that he did owe Floyd money), do you want to work with a guy that smeared you every chance they got and owed you money already. Arum should have kept his yap shut and maybe things would have went different. Two sides of this coin quit looking at one.

I doubt Oscar would've given floyd the rematch because oscar wasn't going to let floyd get a bigger purse than him. its hard not to imagine that if floyd told cotto or marg that he wanted to fight them next, they wouldn't drop whoever they were fighting to fight him, just like cotto and marg were willing to drop each other to get dlh. but dlh wanted cotto to get beat up a little bit by marg first before he'd fight cotto. big miscalculation cause cotto lost and dlh would never fight marg and ended up getting embarassed by pac. bottomline is if floyd wanted to fight cotto or marg, it would've happened That was why Floyd retired, he wanted a bigger cut Oscar didn't give it to him. Floyd thought eventually Oscar is going to have to come to me it didn't play out like that as someone else got the shot and beat the crap out of Oscar. Bottom line is those guys worked for a guy Floyd wanted nothing to do with that had everything to do with why those fights didn't occur. If they wanted Floyd they should have followed Floyd's lead and left, Floyd wasn't chasing those guys those guys were chasing Floyd the guy getting chased doesn't really have to do anything and if the guys doing the chasing are unwilling to meet the demands then they aren't getting the fight so is the rule of the boxing jungle. Those guys could have made it happen two sides to that coin~

its not the whole story, but if floyd really really wanted those fights as much as cotto and marg wanted to fight him, the fight would've been made I have never seen that Cotto rally wanted that fight, they never tried to make that fight occur, Margarito they did but the timing was not right and then shit happened and Floyd didn't want to give Arum one thin dime off his back.

Floyd is not GBP, Floyd has not fought a Top Rank guy since he dipped on them. I fail to see what that has to do with GBP Top Rank feud. Floyd-Top Rank feud is completely different, the only thing GBP has to do with that is that Floyd wanted Oscar during the TR-GBP feud so Floyd had to make a move or not fight Oscar, the rest as they say is history Floyd went from being the best fighter ever, to some clown ducking every challenge possible all according to Bob Arum. Exactly, it shocks me how EVERY fighter that Floyd supposedly ducked is from Top Rank and people think that with Arum's history with Floyd that is just some coincidence.

if floyd really wanted to fight cotto and margarito it would've happened. everyone knew the retirement was a sham... its just too convenient that when cotto and marg were tearing through WW, floyd decided to duck out Yea Floyd was going to come back, those fights not happening has little to do with Floyd and those fihgters it has to do with Floyd and his situation with Top Rank. Like I said Oscar was next if Floyd didn't retire, so Cotto-Margarito would have happened and Cotto would have been aced out right there, FLoyd would have been banking so it is likely he would have waited until next May to fight meaning Margarito probably would have fought Mosley we all know how that went. What changes if Floyd didn't retire work it out~