PRIME Oscar.....

Shane was lightning fast with power and he would have taken Floyd in his prime!!!! Both Oscar and Shane take Floyd!!! This is what I believe. Both had excellent chins and would have backed Mayweather up all night. And they were both as fast as Mayweather, Mosley actually the fastest of the three both hands and feet. And heavy punchers throwing excellent combinations.

LOL @ the Tito talk. Trinidad was no beast at all, now what? Done? Cool. Because, if you really want to compare Tito and Mosley resume we can. But, I doubt you want to do that. So lets get back to the subject, shall we? Mosley is a HOF'er no doubt. But, Mosley wasn't highly regarded prior to the first Oscar fight and that's my point. It was seen as Oscar cherry picking Mosley who hadn't look spectacular since he jumped from LW skipping JWW. Mosley was considered smaller. And, it was seen as a pretty big upset at that time when Mosley beat Oscar. There had always been a local rivalry between them and Mosley was irritated at the excessive praise that Oscar generated. He was determined to beat him, and he actually won that fight at least 116-112 or better. The split was a farce.

You pretty much answered it there. Just like Tito knocking out some decent WWs and Jr. Middles. Trinidad had about 15 defences of his title mostly or all by KO. Which means that, since he beat ssome very good unbeated fighers, in his time, he was unbeatable.

I don't think Pernell and floyd is very similar, but one should at least note how mediocre oscar could look when he had trouble finding the target. And that was an over the hill pernell.

The version of Oscar that fought Chavez would decision Floyd if he could not knock him out (Floyd is a good survivor with a good chin), and he'd beat Manny to a pulp. Back in those days De La Hoya had twice the speed of the shell that fought these two fighters. Good footwork, underrated jab, fluent combinations, murderous left hook. Manny wouldn't be able to get in enough. Floyd would lose the battle of the jabs to a person with much better reach - in fact, the times Oscar had success versus Floyd, it was with the jab, I remember Hopkins hollering to him all night to jab more - and Oscar would have too much power for Floyd to handle, plus a good enough chin to not have to respect Floyd's punches too much. I don't think either fight would be close, honestly.

Prime Oscar destroys any of the weak ass bums in WW-jmw today. He knocks out Floyd, Berto, Martinez and Cotto. And he loses to Ortiz and Margarito by k.o. :rofl::rofl:

why do you keep saying this? Why do I keep saying what? Why is Tito getting brought up?

Yes at WW like Tito. I don't think Tito was all that at MW, though he was better than Oscar at that weight. You're trying to twist my words man. So you comparing Mosley beastiness at WW to Tito beastiness at WW, not MW? :rofl:

not saying Tito was not a beast at all. it was the two best fighters (something we dont see too much nowadays) going against each other. looking back, mosley fit in 147 quite well, nevermind the "cherrypick" BS because it was a great fight. Oscar had great fights there and so did Mosley, so lets stop looking into bullsh1t ok? And Mosley has a pretty good resume too if you wanna get off tito's nuts for a sec. not saying his is better or anything... but shane never got KO'd either! lol (just busting balls) being "highly regarded" or "cherry picked" dont mean sh1t to me, a good fighter is a good fighter. After Oscar how long did it take for Mosley to look like a beast again?

Of course you were comparing...If not there would have been no reason to bring a whole different fighter who has nothing to do with what the convo is about. So with your answer, I assume that you agree that Mosley was a beast at WW as Tito was at MW? why do you keep saying this?

LOL @ the Tito talk. Trinidad was no beast at all, now what? Done? Cool. Because, if you really want to compare Tito and Mosley resume we can. But, I doubt you want to do that. So lets get back to the subject, shall we? Mosley is a HOF'er no doubt. But, Mosley wasn't highly regarded prior to the first Oscar fight and that's my point. It was seen as Oscar cherry picking Mosley who hadn't look spectacular since he jumped from LW skipping JWW. Mosley was considered smaller. And, it was seen as a pretty big upset at that time when Mosley beat Oscar. not saying Tito was not a beast at all. it was the two best fighters (something we dont see too much nowadays) going against each other. looking back, mosley fit in 147 quite well, nevermind the "cherrypick" BS because it was a great fight. Oscar had great fights there and so did Mosley, so lets stop looking into bullsh1t ok? And Mosley has a pretty good resume too if you wanna get off tito's nuts for a sec. not saying his is better or anything... but shane never got KO'd either! lol (just busting balls) being "highly regarded" or "cherry picked" dont mean sh1t to me, a good fighter is a good fighter.

Shane was lightning fast with power and he would have taken Floyd in his prime!!!! Both Oscar and Shane take Floyd!!! Floyd beats both in their prime.

I'm not comparing. I'm just saying that the label "decent" was put on them. Both Tito and Mosley did knock out some "decent" competition. Well I was just answering this......So what made Mosley a beast? Especially prior to the first fight? Is it because he KO'd a few above average LWs? Of course you were comparing...If not there would have been no reason to bring a whole different fighter who has nothing to do with what the convo is about. So with your answer, I assume that you agree that Mosley was a beast at WW as Tito was at MW?

Shane was lightning fast with power and he would have taken Floyd in his prime!!!! Both Oscar and Shane take Floyd!!!

So let me get his right, ignore the official scorecards? is that what your telling me? cus there is a scorecard official one on Floyds record thats questionable. So lets just clarify, do we go by the official cards or do we make up the story ourselves? Are you comparing the competitiveness of Floyd-Oscar to the first Floyd-Castillo fight? Really? :rofl: I scored the first fight for Castillo. But, it was close that could have gone either way. I have no problem with the decision. Because, there were a couple swing rounds. And, depending on you scored the swing rounds will make you score the fight for one fighter or the other. Floyd winning doesn't make it a robbery. And, if Castillo would have gotten the decision(again I had him winning) then it wouldn't have been a robbery either. Because, it was so damn close. Very close fight. But, Floyd-Oscar was not close at all. Oscar won 3 rounds 4 if you're being totally generous to Oscar and giving him the benefit of every doubt. And, if Oscar would have gotten that decision then that would have been a robbery. Yes when there are robberies you can ignore the ref/judges decision. Like Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, Martinez-Cintron, Santa Cruz-Casamayor, Kotelnik-Alexander etc etc... But, I personally don't ignore the ref/judges decision when it's a close competitive fight like Floyd-Castillo, Floyd-Williams, Pac-Marquez etc etc. Did you watch the fight? Which rounds did you give to Oscar?

So let me get his right, ignore the official scorecards? is that what your telling me? cus there is a scorecard official one on Floyds record thats questionable. So lets just clarify, do we go by the official cards or do we make up the story ourselves? its funner to make up your own story. that's what the judges do anyway so why can't we? it's not like they follow the rules of pro judging. they give the fight to the popular guy or the guy throwing more but not even landing. official judges have the least credibility of anyone because their decisions were based on corruption/incompetence. an official decision don't mean squat to me.

You can't be taken serious...Try watching the fight instead of looking at boxrec. So let me get his right, ignore the official scorecards? is that what your telling me? cus there is a scorecard official one on Floyds record thats questionable. So lets just clarify, do we go by the official cards or do we make up the story ourselves?

Oscar was on cocaine for some of the big fights he lost. I truly believe a healthy and focused Oscar would have retired undefeated or maybe with 1 loss. His messed up training camps and lifestyle got in the way of his career.

Oscar WAS a beast at welter, gave tito all he could handle, yeah blah blah blah tito won on paper blah blah, but mosley handled oscar (dammit). i think that says a lot on a fighter going up to weight classes to fight one of the best fighters LOL @ the Tito talk. Trinidad was no beast at all, now what? Done? Cool. Because, if you really want to compare Tito and Mosley resume we can. But, I doubt you want to do that. So lets get back to the subject, shall we? Mosley is a HOF'er no doubt. But, Mosley wasn't highly regarded prior to the first Oscar fight and that's my point. It was seen as Oscar cherry picking Mosley who hadn't look spectacular since he jumped from LW skipping JWW. Mosley was considered smaller. And, it was seen as a pretty big upset at that time when Mosley beat Oscar.

floyd vs prime oscar 50/50. oscar was a beast and im a floyd fan. oscar murks everyone else including pac. tito murks everyone too besides floyd.