Is Pacquiao avoiding Mayweather and Martinez???

Personally even though I think Pac is on roids, I think he is willing to fight anyone, it is his camp who are all master manipulators and cherry pickers. Roach, Ariza and Arum all know anyone who isn't old, slow or already beaten almost to retardation will beat Manny. You will never see Manny in the ring with a Floyd, Berto, Ortiz, Bradley, M. Jones, Alvarez, Martinez, etc. They will never agree to testing because he is on PED's and there is no way around it. Ariza, Roach and Arum all know the gravy/$ train is over when Manny loses. They have orchestrated him to be this mythical global hero and 1 loss now will destroy the whole aura about him. Anyone who isn't a Pactard knows this whole run of Manny's is all bs. I mean cmon, this is a guy who got KO'ed at 108-112 twice and got his ears boxed off by JMM & Morales. All of sudden like 5 years ago (~15 years into his career) he becomes great?? LOL people are suckers. People who are great, were ALWAYS great until they get slow or old (Floyd, Bhop, Roy, Calzaghe, etc)..you don't all of a sudden at 30 years old become a buzzsaw monster lol. Man it just amazes me that anyone believes Mannys career is natural or legit. They make Roach out to be some magician or some boxing savant, give me a break. So look at the situation as someone unbiased, here are the details: 1. He flew through weight classes while getting faster along the way 2. His actual head and jaw got bigger over the last 4-5 years 3. People who fight him say theyve never been hit like that before 4. He won't agree to olympic style drug testing 5. A known PED peddler and steroid expert says Manny is on PED's Now take out the Pac-worshipping part and thats 99.9% evidence that he is on roids. But he will never fight Floyd or Sergio because he can't beat them with or without juice.

I like how Floyd isn't avoiding Martinez either. Or maybe the threadstart doesn't see it that way.

I would actually like to see Martinez fight Andre Ward at 164/165, but that won't happen. I think Ward actually would beat Martinez but it'd be a 50/50. Mayweather-Martinez at 154 ,which seems more and more likely to happen in early 2012, is a great fight. Pacquiao shouldn't have said he'll fight Martinez at 150, and than decline when Martinez agrees. That's all I am saying. Also, do you still think Manny has agreed to the random drug testing, which Arum says???? I will stick to what Ariza (Pacquiao's conditioning coach) and Koncz (Pacquiao's closest adviser) say. Koncz in July 2011: Manny never agreed to testing up until fight day. I will have to talk with Manny and see what he is willing to do. Arum in August 2011: Drug testing is no longer an issue. Manny and his team have agreed to all the testing. Ariza in September 2011: Why do we have to agree to what Floyd wants??? Manny is #1, and we will not agree to what Floyd wants. I am just saying.... didn't wifebeater say martinez was a possible opponent in the future? oh no!!! wifebeater is ducking maritnez!!!

Co-sign, or as I agreed with on a previous thread call out the winner of Kirkland/Angulo… I would actually like to see Martinez fight Andre Ward at 164/165, but that won't happen. I think Ward actually would beat Martinez but it'd be a 50/50. Mayweather-Martinez at 154 ,which seems more and more likely to happen in early 2012, is a great fight. Pacquiao shouldn't have said he'll fight Martinez at 150, and than decline when Martinez agrees. That's all I am saying. Also, do you still think Manny has agreed to the random drug testing, which Arum says???? I will stick to what Ariza (Pacquiao's conditioning coach) and Koncz (Pacquiao's closest adviser) say. Koncz in July 2011: Manny never agreed to testing up until fight day. I will have to talk with Manny and see what he is willing to do. Arum in August 2011: Drug testing is no longer an issue. Manny and his team have agreed to all the testing. Ariza in September 2011: Why do we have to agree to what Floyd wants??? Manny is #1, and we will not agree to what Floyd wants. I am just saying....

instead of picking on WWs, martinez should fight pirog Co-sign, or as I agreed with on a previous thread call out the winner of Kirkland/Angulo…

No. Sergio (160) agreed to Manny's (147) demand of fighting at 150 lbs. It's more like Amir Khan (140) refusing to fight Saul Alvarez (154) at a 144 lb catchweight. I don't want to see Sergio drain himself to 150, but I would give Pacquiao big credit for beating him their. I would give Pacquiao HUGE credit for beating him at 154. But, Pacquiao-Martinez won't happen. I seem to recall Lou Dibella saying that if Mayweather-Pacquiao doesn't happen in Spring 2012, than Mayweather-Martinez is a huge possibly. I hope it's true, because Pacquiao already has a fight lined up for Spring 2012. Funny indeed. I do like the Bradley pick though, his best since JMM in 08' or Morales in 05'. It's just funny since Floyd is coming off a one-sided win over Ortiz and Martinez just agreed to Pacquiao's weight demand. instead of picking on WWs, martinez should fight pirog

And if Manny passes on a fight against Sergio for a fight with Bradley that should automatically label Manny a “ducker”? Listen, my whole logic is Manny shouldn’t be fighting Martinez in the first place catch-weight or not. I don’t care how many accolades you would give him it wouldn’t satisfy the general consensus in giving him his just due had he fought and defeated Martinez. In any event, what would this make Floyd if Floyd decided to pass on a fight with Sergio without any catch-weights especially when Floyd legitimately fought Oscar at 154 a weight where Floyd is familiar with without a catch-weight? Coupling this with the LONG list of opponents of whom Floyd avoided in the first place? Will there be a thread about Floyd “Avoiding” Martinez as well? You miss the point. Floyd never said "Sergio come down to 150 and I will fight you". When asked about it, he said anything is possible, and Dibella said Mayweather-Martinez more likely to happen if Mayweather-Pacquiao doesn't this up coming spring. If Mayweather came out and requested Sergio to coem down to 154 for a fight, and than when Sergio agrees, Mayweather chose Amir Khan instead, than yeah he would be avoiding Martinez. Like I said, I like the Bradley pick, but it's funny that Pacquiao lovers (aka Khan lovers) are chaning their tune about Bradley. I am a Mayweather fan, and I NEVER said Bradley ducked Khan and still don't think he did. However, the Manny lovers and Khan lovers all were screaming that Bradley ducked Khan, only to change their tune that Bradley is the greatest thing since Jesus now. I like the Braldey pick. He's in his prime, unbeaten, and coming off big wins. I like it as much as the Ortiz pick, if not more, and almost as much as when Mayweather fought Hatton. However, don't say you'll fight a guy at a weight and than back out when he agrees to it. Don't say that drug testing isn't an issue, when it clearly is (Ariza said a couple days ago that they will never agree to Floyd's drug testing). Call me stupid, but now that Pacquiao already lined up Bradley, I think Mayweather-Martinez will happen. Either that, or Khan will fight Mayweather is May.

how the fukk does a WW duck a MW??? LMAO, I said the same if you read my previous post within this thread 

No. Sergio (160) agreed to Manny's (147) demand of fighting at 150 lbs. It's more like Amir Khan (140) refusing to fight Saul Alvarez (154) at a 144 lb catchweight. I don't want to see Sergio drain himself to 150, but I would give Pacquiao big credit for beating him their. I would give Pacquiao HUGE credit for beating him at 154. But, Pacquiao-Martinez won't happen. I seem to recall Lou Dibella saying that if Mayweather-Pacquiao doesn't happen in Spring 2012, than Mayweather-Martinez is a huge possibly. I hope it's true, because Pacquiao already has a fight lined up for Spring 2012. Funny indeed. I do like the Bradley pick though, his best since JMM in 08' or Morales in 05'. It's just funny since Floyd is coming off a one-sided win over Ortiz and Martinez just agreed to Pacquiao's weight demand. And if Manny passes on a fight against Sergio for a fight with Bradley that should automatically label Manny a “ducker”? Listen, my whole logic is Manny shouldn’t be fighting Martinez in the first place catch-weight or not. I don’t care how many accolades you would give him it wouldn’t satisfy the general consensus in giving him his just due had he fought and defeated Martinez. In any event, what would this make Floyd if Floyd decided to pass on a fight with Sergio without any catch-weights especially when Floyd legitimately fought Oscar at 154 a weight where Floyd is familiar with without a catch-weight? Coupling this with the LONG list of opponents of whom Floyd avoided in the first place? Will there be a thread about Floyd “Avoiding” Martinez as well?

how the fukk does a WW duck a MW???

nothing wrong with bradley, he is young, in his prime, and undefeated. Agreed. I said that in my original post. Don't you find it funny though that he has this fight lined up, even before his fight with JMM, and it's now lined up after Martinez agreed to Pacquiao's weight demand and Floyd is coming off a one-sided win over Ortiz??? I also don't believe Pacquiao will EVER agree to get tested. Ariza, Pacquiao's conditioning coach, said a couple days ago that they will never agree to Floyd's testing because they shouldn't have to. Contradicting what Arum said about drug testing being a non-issue. How can you not start to believe that Top Rank and Team Pacquiao are trying to make it look like Mayweather is ducking him???

That’s only after Sergio was barking for a fight with Pac and not the other way around, I guess Amir Khan is ducking Hopkins too if that’s the case… No. Sergio (160) agreed to Manny's (147) demand of fighting at 150 lbs. It's more like Amir Khan (140) refusing to fight Saul Alvarez (154) at a 144 lb catchweight. I don't want to see Sergio drain himself to 150, but I would give Pacquiao big credit for beating him their. I would give Pacquiao HUGE credit for beating him at 154. But, Pacquiao-Martinez won't happen. I seem to recall Lou Dibella saying that if Mayweather-Pacquiao doesn't happen in Spring 2012, than Mayweather-Martinez is a huge possibly. I hope it's true, because Pacquiao already has a fight lined up for Spring 2012. Funny indeed. I do like the Bradley pick though, his best since JMM in 08' or Morales in 05'. It's just funny since Floyd is coming off a one-sided win over Ortiz and Martinez just agreed to Pacquiao's weight demand.

nothing wrong with bradley, he is young, in his prime, and undefeated.

Arum, Roach, and Manny said they would only fight Sergio at 150. Last week, Sergio said he would fight him at 150. I would rather not see it happen, because I would only like to see him go down as far as 154 (which is very realistic). I would give Manny big credit for beating Martinez at 150, and HUGE ALL-TIME credit for beating him at 154. Same goes for Mayweather. Floyd has said he's taking a few weeks to talk with his team and figure out who's next, and as long as Pacquiao agrees to testing by the USADA, he would fight him. Martinez just came out and said he'd be ready to fight Pacquiao at 150 next, which is what his team asked for (On a side note, team Pacquiao HAS NOT agreed to testing by the USADA. Ariza just came out a day or two ago and said they would never agree to what Floyd wants AT ALL, contradicting what Arum said alla long). Don't you find it funny that Pacquiao now all of a sudden has Bradley lined up as his next opponent for May 2012, since Mayweather just had a one-sided victory over a prime Ortiz and Martinez just said he'd fight Manny at 150???? I like his pick of Bradley, read my original post. It's the first prime fighter he's faced since Solis in 07' and his best choice since Marquez in 08' or Morales in 05'. However, you don't think Arum, Roach, and Manny could possibly be avoiding a fight with Martinez or Mayweather next??? If it's true that Pacquiao is already lined up to fight Bradley in May 2012, he won't be available to fight again until Fall 2012...who's waiting for who to get old now????

When roach said they would only fight at 150 and he said hed fight there That’s only after Sergio was barking for a fight with Pac and not the other way around, I guess Amir Khan is ducking Hopkins too if that’s the case…

Would any haters give Pac any credit for beating Sergio at 150? Would he make more money fighting him than someone else?

Enlighten us on how Pac is avoiding Martinez again when Sergio is a Middleweight please? When roach said they would only fight at 150 and he said hed fight there

Enlighten us on how Pac is avoiding Martinez again when Sergio is a Middleweight please?