Agreed 100%, I also will say I am in disagreement with whoever said Lee would possibly beat Proksa as well. Although green in spots I do think Proska is a world beater compared to McEwan and we know what happened in that Lee/McEwan fight.
I think Lee is getting a pretty decent Buzz right now. He's ALWAYS on the same Card as Martinez in his last 2 outings and it IMO looks like they are putting them on the same cards to get Lee some exposure as a possible martinez opponent in the future. (LOL, right?)
If any of the foreigners are going to make a name for themselves I'd think it would be against Lee. I see him being very vulnerable in many areas and he's an HBO fighter, so he'll get them some attention as well. I'd like to see him and Proska.
Lee could be a possibility for Proska providing he wins tonight. I'd have no qualms with Proska getting in with Lee - even now. I mean tonight was a little bit of a shock in the manner Proska won, he single handily took his opponent part in spectacular fashion.
I'm pretty sure Lee will fight one of the up and comers next. He seems to be the type of opponent that fits the bill perfectly.
In no way should Lee be granted with a shot vs Martinez though, he would be systematically broke down and beaten up.
It's an exciting time for the middleweight divisions. Loads of young hungry prospects looking to a make a name for themselves and hit the top. In 2 years, the division is going to be stacked even more. Really looking forward to seeing some great match-ups in the next couple of the years.
Martinez is defiantly on a different level to the rest at the moment. Stylistically difficult and awkward to fight. I think providing Martinez hangs around at 154-160 he could be dethroned in two or so years though.
However, throwing these young guns in the ring with Martinez right now is not a good idea. They should stay away for a while at least, they aren't ready for him yet.
Agreed 100%, I also will say I am in disagreement with whoever said Lee would possibly beat Proksa as well. Although green in spots I do think Proska is a world beater compared to McEwan and we know what happened in that Lee/McEwan fight.
I think Lee is getting a pretty decent Buzz right now. He's ALWAYS on the same Card as Martinez in his last 2 outings and it IMO looks like they are putting them on the same cards to get Lee some exposure as a possible martinez opponent in the future. (LOL, right?)
If any of the foreigners are going to make a name for themselves I'd think it would be against Lee. I see him being very vulnerable in many areas and he's an HBO fighter, so he'll get them some attention as well. I'd like to see him and Proska.
I agree. he's coming up nicely don't get me wrong. I just think guys like Murray, Barker and macklin have some season and grit on their side right now. Barker depending on how he performs tonight will say a lot about where he's at as well.
I do think in a year or 2 he will be the talk of the division though. A lot of the top guys in teh division are older and the up and comers all arent that impressive to me either. Golovkin comes to mind the fastest.. I don't see him as being any better than Chavez JR honestly. More power and a higher workrate, but the rest is the same IMO. It's a stacked division in terms of talent and there can be some GREAT fights stylistically to be made at MW but i feel like the division is wide open for someone to catapult to the top. I feel like it's full of b- level fights right now with martinez being the Only A, possible A+.
It's an exciting time for the middleweight divisions. Loads of young hungry prospects looking to a make a name for themselves and hit the top. In 2 years, the division is going to be stacked even more. Really looking forward to seeing some great match-ups in the next couple of the years.
Martinez is defiantly on a different level to the rest at the moment. Stylistically difficult and awkward to fight. I think providing Martinez hangs around at 154-160 he could be dethroned in two or so years though.
However, throwing these young guns in the ring with Martinez right now is not a good idea. They should stay away for a while at least, they aren't ready for him yet.
I think he could beat the likes of Barker, Lee, Macklin in a year.
When he's prime he'll be a handful and be a different class IMO.
I agree. he's coming up nicely don't get me wrong. I just think guys like Murray, Barker and macklin have some season and grit on their side right now. Barker depending on how he performs tonight will say a lot about where he's at as well.
I do think in a year or 2 he will be the talk of the division though. A lot of the top guys in teh division are older and the up and comers all arent that impressive to me either. Golovkin comes to mind the fastest.. I don't see him as being any better than Chavez JR honestly. More power and a higher workrate, but the rest is the same IMO. It's a stacked division in terms of talent and there can be some GREAT fights stylistically to be made at MW but i feel like the division is wide open for someone to catapult to the top. I feel like it's full of b- level fights right now with martinez being the Only A, possible A+.
At this stage he also loses to Murray as well, and Macklin
I think he could beat the likes of Barker, Lee, Macklin in a year.
When he's prime he'll be a handful and be a different class IMO.
Barker, Lee, Rubio?
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At this stage he also loses to Murray as well, and Macklin.
Why is Barker being so discredited. Look how old Pirog is and then red his 19 wins to me. Then check out Barker who is younger and read HIS 21 wins to me. Explain to me who has the most experience and who has teh better resume.
Beating an overrated american prospect in jacobs does not suddenly make you a world beater. Barker would have probably done teh same thing to jacobs. Pirog is no better, you clowns are just hugging his nuts.
I've seen enough of the guy to safely assume he will NEVER beat the likes of Sergio, Golovkin, Barker, Rubio, Lee, Pirog & probably quite a few others I can't think of off the top of my head.
All the above, every single last one would destroy him.
Barker, Lee, Rubio?
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That's fine. Just be humble when he hits world level. Wait, he can't be successful at world level? That's a pretty rash assumption your making right there.
Seems like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder to be honest - 'Brutal knockout waiting to happen'? What's that all about? Have some respect.
I've seen enough of the guy to safely assume he will NEVER beat the likes of Sergio, Golovkin, Barker, Rubio, Lee, Pirog & probably quite a few others I can't think of off the top of my head.
All the above, every single last one would destroy him.
Y'all must of forgot. The closest clone you'll ever get is kicking azz.
Roy Jones is back baby.
Closest clone? he fights nothing like Roy, he fights more Like Kell Brook if you really want to compare.
If you want a roy jone clone look no fruther than Brad Solomon.
That's fine. Just be humble when he hits world level. Wait, he can't be successful at world level? That's a pretty rash assumption your making right there.
Seems like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder to be honest - 'Brutal knockout waiting to happen'? What's that all about? Have some respect.
lol Proksa clearly bumfuked Dancov's sister or something.
That's fine. Just be humble when he hits world level. Wait, he can't be successful at world level? That's a pretty rash assumption your making right there.
Seems like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder to be honest - 'Brutal knockout waiting to happen'? What's that all about? Have some respect.
He just walked a top five Middleweight. That's a better win than Golovkin or Pirog have to their credit yet among the top young talents. He's at world level.
He's no Jones...but he doesn't have to be. He could be a real threat to Martinez sooner than later.
Sylvester has always been very limited but he is well-conditioned and can usually fight through the cuts which he is suspectible to. This time he was simply outclassed in a way he never has been before. Proksa is definitely someone to look forward to in a wide open middleweight division.
Martinez, Pirog, Golovkin, N'jikam, Proksa, Sturm, Geale, Macklin, Khurtsidze
Jacobs, Korobov, Guerrero, Lemieux, Barker, Lee, Majewski, Bursak, Mcewen
I think it's one of the most talented divisions.
Good comparison...
His physical looks and movements reminded me of Pirog, but the hands down and southpaw stance looked similar to Martinez.
His counter straight left off of Sylvester's jab looked excellent (timing, speed, and accuracy); Pacquiao tries it sometimes, but doesn't land it as much (intimidates opponents from jabbing though). And I liked his attempts at the right uppercuts even though they didn't land.
Yeah and his footwork is inbetween the two, slightly more active than Pirog but not quite as athletic as Martinez. The lead left you mentioned is great and reminds me of Pacquiao and Calzaghe who are both good at it.
I am serious, I thought he looked good/quite flashy against a guy I don't really rate. I think Sylvesters a bit of a one-trick pony. Soon as he's taken out his comfort zone, he'll fold. Never rated his chin either
I've seen Proksa fight on a few U.K undercards & he's fun to watch. I think he's good but see no real star quality.
Nothing that leads me to suggest he can go onto world level & be successful.
His hands are way too low, he pulls back in straight lines with his chin in the air, he's a small middleweight, I think despite his record & his good T.K.O win tonight he lacks a bit of pop. His feet are slow & he relies on lateral movement way too much. I think just about every top 20 middleweight apart from Sylvester, Spinks, Ishida & Manfredo stop him at this stage.
Wish him the best in his career & will always watch his fights but I am not jumping on the hypetrain I'm afraid :)
Brutal K.O waiting to happen.
That's fine. Just be humble when he hits world level. Wait, he can't be successful at world level? That's a pretty rash assumption your making right there.
Seems like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder to be honest - 'Brutal knockout waiting to happen'? What's that all about? Have some respect.
I am serious, I thought he looked good/quite flashy against a guy I don't really rate. I think Sylvesters a bit of a one-trick pony. Soon as he's taken out his comfort zone, he'll fold. Never rated his chin either
I've seen Proksa fight on a few U.K undercards & he's fun to watch. I think he's good but see no real star quality.
Nothing that leads me to suggest he can go onto world level & be successful.
He's a switch-hitter & looks like a bad Ingle fighter.
His hands are way too low, he pulls back in straight lines with his chin in the air, he's a small middleweight, I think despite his record & his good T.K.O win tonight he lacks a bit of pop. His feet are slow & he relies on lateral movement way too much. I think just about every top 20 middleweight apart from Sylvester, Spinks, Ishida & Manfredo stop him at this stage.
Wish him the best in his career & will always watch his fights but I am not jumping on the hypetrain I'm afraid :)
Brutal K.O waiting to happen.
Proksa is either the real deal or Sylvester is not only a protected club fighter but a finished club fighter.
Sylvester went 12 rounds with Sturm, Geale. Proska brutalized him within 3 rounds like it was a sparring session.
This is kid has the tools to get to the top.
We'll see. Nothing special? Not sure if serious...
I am serious, I thought he looked good/quite flashy against a guy I don't really rate. I think Sylvesters a bit of a one-trick pony. Soon as he's taken out his comfort zone, he'll fold. Never rated his chin either
I've seen Proksa fight on a few U.K undercards & he's fun to watch. I think he's good but see no real star quality.
Nothing that leads me to suggest he can go onto world level & be successful.
His hands are way too low, he pulls back in straight lines with his chin in the air, he's a small middleweight, I think despite his record & his good T.K.O win tonight he lacks a bit of pop. His feet are slow & he relies on lateral movement way too much. I think just about every top 20 middleweight apart from Sylvester, Spinks, Ishida & Manfredo stop him at this stage.
Wish him the best in his career & will always watch his fights but I am not jumping on the hypetrain I'm afraid :)
Brutal K.O waiting to happen.
Marinez/Pirog hybrid imo. He's a little undersized for a MW at 5'8 and a little slight of build but his power at MW seems legit.
Good comparison...
His physical looks and movements reminded me of Pirog, but the hands down and southpaw stance looked similar to Martinez.
His counter straight left off of Sylvester's jab looked excellent (timing, speed, and accuracy); Pacquiao tries it sometimes, but doesn't land it as much (intimidates opponents from jabbing though). And I liked his attempts at the right uppercuts even though they didn't land.
Sylvester has always been very limited but he is well-conditioned and can usually fight through the cuts which he is suspectible to. This time he was simply outclassed in a way he never has been before. Proksa is definitely someone to look forward to in a wide open middleweight division.
well he's Chavez Jr's worst nightmare with all those side movements and switching between orthodox and southpaw every freaggin minute..how can you prepare your fighter for this guy ? :D
Especially a fighter such as Chavez Jr, who had a lot of problems with Zbik (actually good skills, but no punching power at all) ... Proksa is even more skilled and from what we've seen today he also has a lot more punching power than Zbik.