There were atleast 5 clear times during that fight where he got excited & said Ortiz landed something when really it was Floyd doing it. That really has an effect on mainstream fans or people who just believe everything they hear. Alot of them werent even close. I know you have a different view from different sides of the ring but sometimes it seemed like even Merchant & Steward knew that Floyd was the one that really landed but Lampley would say otherwise.
Not only that but when Floyd was doing well, Lampley spoke in his normal boxing voice but if Ortiz did even 1 thing (which most of the time he wasnt even really doing) then Lampley would start screaming & getting mad excited. Thats my biggest fear for Floyd in a possible Sergio or Pac fight. Lampley really likes Ortiz but he loves Sergio & Pac. He always goes crazy when they do something. Combine that with Floyd's cray high standard that no other boxer has right now then he could be in real trouble.
By that I mean Lampley is going to go crazy by anything those guys do in those fights. Meanwhile Floyd has reached a level where his standard is so high & so many people hate him that if anything is close, the fans will say he lost the round. I believe he has to win atleast 75% of each round right now because if he wins 60/40 or two thirds, they will be looking to give the round to the other guy. If he takes any clean shots then it will look like he lost a round because people are looking to give the other guy the round anyways & Lampley will be going crazy.
Back to the topic. There was no excuse for how many times he was wrong in that fight. He's been around too long for that. Alot of people on here right now have sigs of Floyd doing things in that fight & Lampley were scoring them big for Ortiz. Hopefully he rewatches & learns not to jump the gun next time. As for Floyd, he could have some really close rounds against Pac or Sergio and I dont think he will get the benefit in any of them from alot of people
He did have his hands up your right about that, but he also did come in nodding his head gave a partial hug and sucker punched him, he baited Ortiz in, dont try to sugar coat that truth.
And Cortez should know boxing more than I do, but if you trace back several fights of his, he should also be removed as an official and I recall as a youngster being pissed at what he allowed Bowe to get away with in fight one with Holyfield especially when he ruled a clear clean shot to the back of evanders head a knock down not to mention the dozens of Low Blows he allowed Bowe to get off...
Question I have for you, Do you think Boxing is NOT Corrupt in any way? cus as it stands thats how your comming off.
Please let your child know to run for his life cuz if he sticks with good ole Daddy as his trainer then he will never make it in this sport............
LOL notice how the rules say "hitting" with the elbow is against the rules. Never does it say sticking your elbow out is against the rules. Like I told you before, swinging the elbow counts as a foul NOT using it to maintain distance between you and your opponent. You still haven't made your point.
P.S. Ortiz could've have been disqualified because he too did many things that are on that list.
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Cortez told Ortiz and Garcia in the dressing room that if he sticks the elbow out there to defend its NOT a foul. Now Cortez made a mistake for not having his eye on the action but I'm pretty sure he knows more about boxing than you do my friend.
And I don't think Mayweather tricked Ortiz because the fight was on after Cortez said "Let's go." Mayweather was not trying to hug Ortiz when he put his hands up he was ready to fight. That apology and having his hands down were all his fault. Just let it go man. The commission said it was a fair ruling after reviewing the tape. And the judges had Mayweather winning on the cards anyway.
He did have his hands up your right about that, but he also did come in nodding his head gave a partial hug and sucker punched him, he baited Ortiz in, dont try to sugar coat that truth.
And Cortez should know boxing more than I do, but if you trace back several fights of his, he should also be removed as an official and I recall as a youngster being pissed at what he allowed Bowe to get away with in fight one with Holyfield especially when he ruled a clear clean shot to the back of evanders head a knock down not to mention the dozens of Low Blows he allowed Bowe to get off...
Question I have for you, Do you think Boxing is NOT Corrupt in any way? cus as it stands thats how your comming off.
Cortez told Ortiz and Garcia in the dressing room that if he sticks the elbow out there to defend its NOT a foul. Now Cortez made a mistake for not having his eye on the action but I'm pretty sure he knows more about boxing than you do my friend.
And I don't think Mayweather tricked Ortiz because the fight was on after Cortez said "Let's go." Mayweather was not trying to hug Ortiz when he put his hands up he was ready to fight. That apology and having his hands down were all his fault. Just let it go man. The commission said it was a fair ruling after reviewing the tape. And the judges had Mayweather winning on the cards anyway.
LOL notice how the rules say "hitting" with the elbow is against the rules. Never does it say sticking your elbow out is against the rules. Like I told you before, swinging the elbow counts as a foul NOT using it to maintain distance between you and your opponent. You still haven't made your point.
P.S. Ortiz could've have been disqualified because he too did many things that are on that list.
You can not use the elbow kid, Ortiz could have lost points for the head sure, and he did, but what else did he do other than that?
Floyd held and hit violating rule #3
Floyd held deliberately to maintain a clinch violating rule #4
use of the elbow, sorry but when you push it in someones face your fouling there goes violation of rule #8
Floyd did violate #14 . Engaging in any unsportsmanlike trick or action which causes injury to an opponent
And I honestly think Ortiz has a case with #14, cus he suckered him in and then nailed him.
you add these rules, with the unified rules referee code of conduct which Nevadas rules mirror those as they are federal, Oriz does have a case.
okay lets look rules regarding use of the elbow
from Nevada
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nac/NAC-467.html#NAC467Sec682
NAC 467.675 Acts constituting fouls in boxing. (NRS 467.030) The following acts constitute fouls in boxing:
1. Hitting below the belt.
2. Hitting an opponent who is down or is getting up after being down.
3. Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other.
4. Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch. 5. Wrestling or kicking.
6. If the referee has signaled that the opponent has been knocked out, striking an opponent who is helpless as a result of previous blows and so supported by the ropes that he does not fall.
7. Butting with the head or shoulder or using the knee.
8. Hitting with the open glove, the butt of the hand, the wrist or the elbow, and all backhand blows.
9. Purposely going down without being hit.
10. Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys.
11. Deliberately using the rabbit punch.
12. Jabbing the opponent’s eyes with the thumb of the glove.
13. Using abusive language in the ring.
14. Engaging in any unsportsmanlike trick or action which causes injury to an opponent.
15. Hitting on the break.
16. Hitting after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
17. Hitting an opponent whose head is between and outside of the ropes.
18. Pushing an opponent about the ring or into the ropes.
—(NAC A 12-13-82; 11-2-88; 12-2-97)
LOL notice how the rules say "hitting" with the elbow is against the rules. Never does it say sticking your elbow out is against the rules. Like I told you before, swinging the elbow counts as a foul NOT using it to maintain distance between you and your opponent. You still haven't made your point.
P.S. Ortiz could've have been disqualified because he too did many things that are on that list.
LOL that video counted punches landed behind the head and to the lower back of Floyd. Those punches DO NOT count. Look at Floyds head in the post fight press conference, he has a huge knot on the back of his head!
I'll agree that Ortiz landed more punches than compubox gave him but those were only a few more. Floyd outlanded him in every single round! EVERY SINGLE one. I had 73 punches landed for Mayweather vs 31 for Ortiz. I'll remind you only punches landed cleanly to the face, head, or chest are counted and nothing else. Both me and compubox, alongside with all of the judges can't be wrong.
Again Compubox is not a strong arguement
okay lets look rules regarding use of the elbow
from Nevada
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nac/NAC-467.html#NAC467Sec682
NAC 467.675 Acts constituting fouls in boxing. (NRS 467.030) The following acts constitute fouls in boxing:
1. Hitting below the belt.
2. Hitting an opponent who is down or is getting up after being down.
3. Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other.
4. Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch. 5. Wrestling or kicking.
6. If the referee has signaled that the opponent has been knocked out, striking an opponent who is helpless as a result of previous blows and so supported by the ropes that he does not fall.
7. Butting with the head or shoulder or using the knee.
8. Hitting with the open glove, the butt of the hand, the wrist or the elbow, and all backhand blows.
9. Purposely going down without being hit.
10. Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys.
11. Deliberately using the rabbit punch.
12. Jabbing the opponent’s eyes with the thumb of the glove.
13. Using abusive language in the ring.
14. Engaging in any unsportsmanlike trick or action which causes injury to an opponent.
15. Hitting on the break.
16. Hitting after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
17. Hitting an opponent whose head is between and outside of the ropes.
18. Pushing an opponent about the ring or into the ropes.
—(NAC A 12-13-82; 11-2-88; 12-2-97)
you really think he doesnt use those elbows with intention of hurting the other fighters... Wow your just out right ****ing retarded period. there is no help for you.
NONE, you argue compubox, well that video highley disputes your compubox as well, you argue he was dominating, well that vid shows a different story, you have argued that Lampley and Merchant and HBO were biased against Floyd again that Video has **** on just about each and every pathetic false arguement you have presented.
Your a full fledged Flomo, there is no hope for you.
LOL that video counted punches landed behind the head and to the lower back of Floyd. Those punches DO NOT count. Look at Floyds head in the post fight press conference, he has a huge knot on the back of his head!
I'll agree that Ortiz landed more punches than compubox gave him but those were only a few more. Floyd outlanded him in every single round! EVERY SINGLE one. I had 73 punches landed for Mayweather vs 31 for Ortiz. I'll remind you only punches landed cleanly to the face, head, or chest are counted and nothing else. Both me and compubox, alongside with all of the judges can't be wrong.
Great, he was warned for it and penalized in Castillo I... he was warned in it for Gatti... as well as Hatton and Ortiz.... but guess what? He's not using his elbows with the intent to hurt his opponent, if you think he is, go watch MMA, then come back here and save face with your agenda.
you really think he doesnt use those elbows with intention of hurting the other fighters... Wow your just out right ****ing retarded period. there is no help for you.
NONE, you argue compubox, well that video highley disputes your compubox as well, you argue he was dominating, well that vid shows a different story, you have argued that Lampley and Merchant and HBO were biased against Floyd again that Video has **** on just about each and every pathetic false arguement you have presented.
Your a full fledged Flomo, there is no hope for you.
You can NOT use your elbow to push a fighter off its illegal, pushing the elbow in their neck is also illegal, putting your elbow in someones face is illegal.
You may block punches with your elbow thats it.
in my statement, weather I think Floyd did this inentionally or not, Cortez clearly ****ed this fight up, there is no disputing that, Floyd had no idea what was going on, so how can you pin this on him?
The problem is, neither did Ortiz, and why should a ref neglecting to serve his just due, cost either guy? it shouldnt, a split second before the cheap shot, Cortez is looking at the time keeper and says "BELL?" now when a fighter hears a ref say that beleive me 9 times out of 10 that fighter is likely going to assume the round is over.
Neither fighter should have suffered a loss on their record due to an official not doing his job correctly. thats what I am saying.
Glad the official boxing rule book is here at NSB. After this post, I can't take you seriously. I guess the chin is still in the shoulder nowadays.
Going by this statement, you believe Floyd was justified in that two piece he gave Ortiz, huh? The man had just been blatantly head butted which caused a gash under his lip and you want to fault him for winning the way he did? i hope not.
P.S. sticking the elbow out there to defend yourself ISN'T illegal, swinging the elbow to purposely hit the other guy is.
Exactly what I told this guy. Smear campaign, dead.
Stop it right ****ing there, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN DO THAT, you are not allowed to use the elbow at all, not to push your opponent off of you, not to grind it in their throat, not to poke it out as they come forward that is illegal.
But you knew to boxing, I hear ya, give it some time you might learn then again I have given up on you the videos above clearly dispute each and every lie you have made regarding the fight.
Great, he was warned for it and penalized in Castillo I... he was warned in it for Gatti... as well as Hatton and Ortiz.... but guess what? He's not using his elbows with the intent to hurt his opponent, if you think he is, go watch MMA, then come back here and save face with your agenda.
Going by this statement, you believe Floyd was justified in that two piece he gave Ortiz, huh? The man had just been blatantly head butted which caused a gash under his lip and you want to fault him for winning the way he did? i hope not.
P.S. sticking the elbow out there to defend yourself ISN'T illegal, swinging the elbow to purposely hit the other guy is.
You can NOT use your elbow to push a fighter off its illegal, pushing the elbow in their neck is also illegal, putting your elbow in someones face is illegal.
You may block punches with your elbow thats it.
in my statement, weather I think Floyd did this inentionally or not, Cortez clearly ****ed this fight up, there is no disputing that, Floyd had no idea what was going on, so how can you pin this on him?
The problem is, neither did Ortiz, and why should a ref neglecting to serve his just due, cost either guy? it shouldnt, a split second before the cheap shot, Cortez is looking at the time keeper and says "BELL?" now when a fighter hears a ref say that beleive me 9 times out of 10 that fighter is likely going to assume the round is over.
Neither fighter should have suffered a loss on their record due to an official not doing his job correctly. thats what I am saying.
Mayweather used the elbow you say rarely so how many times is rarely, cus you do have one warning from Cortez, but Rarely means plural so that means more than once, and to 5 so called butts from Victor I think it was a wash to be honest, Floyd uses that elbow when ever anybody gets inside, do not pretend like he doesnt, cus if you argue that he dont, you dont watch much of Mayweather neither then.
if my kid is in there being fouled and the ref doesnt do anything about it, we know our job is to get dirty back, protect yourself even from the dirt. fight fire with fire, you want a clean fight keep it clean but the moment you change up on us we are there to bring it back period.
And being from So Cal doesnt make me biased, I am born and raised Yonkers NY, but I guess because I am latino thats where your getting at right? please~
Going by this statement, you believe Floyd was justified in that two piece he gave Ortiz, huh? The man had just been blatantly head butted which caused a gash under his lip and you want to fault him for winning the way he did? i hope not.
P.S. sticking the elbow out there to defend yourself ISN'T illegal, swinging the elbow to purposely hit the other guy is.
Mayweather never hits his opponent with his elbow. He uses it to create distance
Stop it right ****ing there, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN DO THAT, you are not allowed to use the elbow at all, not to push your opponent off of you, not to grind it in their throat, not to poke it out as they come forward that is illegal.
But you knew to boxing, I hear ya, give it some time you might learn then again I have given up on you the videos above clearly dispute each and every lie you have made regarding the fight.
Wow check out the big brain on Davis, so your saying becuse I live in Cali I support only California based fighters, kid your reaching a bit much you dont think?
Elbows and headbutts are basicly the same god damn thing kid, they are both fouls that can cause cuts and swelling and potentially end the fight, in your eyes Floyd didnt use the elbow, but in a previous post you stated rarely used the elbow now which is it?
Why cant you keep your ****in story straight did he rarley use his elbow as you posted or did he not use his elbow as your now claiming?
and all this Ortiz was missing, the sig shows five shots landing clean right there, and thats just one series of shots Ortiz scored.
But I know you dont see them landing, its kind of hard to see Ortiz's shots landing, when your laid out, with Floyds Cock rammed down your throat while he is bouncing his nuts on your face.
Mayweather never hits his opponent with his elbow. He uses it to create distance (i.e. Gatti :47 & :16 of 3rd, & 1:17 of the 5th). Watch the Hatton fight... Mayweather doesn't hit him with elbows, he uses them to shove Hatton off and create room to hit him with punches when Hatton tries to hold him (which was constantly). Ortiz didn't use his head to create distance... he used it to cause damage and hurt the other fighter. That's a big difference... In all honesty, I'm starting to feel very sorry for your son. If you can't notice these simple intricacies as a trainer, then I doubt he's receiving the correct instruction.
Those weren't clean shots... but you did a great job attempting to manipulate what was a DLH-esque flurry into something more than it really was. I guess Mayweather has an iron chin... or Ortiz punches like a pansy?
Continue homing for a dirty fighter, though... if that's what you respect. Your last statement makes you sound like you enjoy fantasizing about that... pathetic.
you see the blatant elbow with 1:50 to go in the 4th round I think that why Ortiz did that stupid foul
Good job posting a single elbow. Now, here's most of Ortiz's blatant headbutts.
This doesn't even show the initial headbutt with :40 left in the 1st.
you see the blatant elbow with 1:50 to go in the 4th round I think that why Ortiz did that stupid foul
This Video disects the entire fight exposing Compubox as the frauds they are, exposing the myth that Floyd didnt get hit much, and exposing the fact that he was using that elbow.
I have yet to see a Floyd fan take a look at this video and try to dispute this with any type of logic or reason.
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