Floyd's behavior is more suspicious than Pac's when it comes to PED use!

Everyone on their right mind would agree that floyd is the one who's in peds well except for the flomos. :lol1:

Damn! You follow me around like a thirsty hooker! Here....:bukkake: Now scram kid! I didn't think so, Mr. Selective Reader/Listener.

LOL. But you ignore where he said he was suspicious of Manny too, right? Damn! You follow me around like a thirsty hooker! Here....:bukkake: Now scram kid!

Bumped in light of the FLOMO's favorite PED expert Conte's comments regarding OSDT and suspicion of Floyd using PED's. LOL. But you ignore where he said he was suspicious of Manny too, right?

Bumped in light of the FLOMO's favorite PED expert Conte's comments regarding OSDT and suspicion of Floyd using PED's.

He's not saying to not do a test at all - he's saying to do what the NSAC is currently doing. Sure, it has its weakness, but it has caught people before and it's more financially viable at the moment. Second, i don't think mayweather really cares about it. His undercard was full of NSAC tested fighters who did not undergo osdt. Thank You!!!!

Here' all I'm saying. If you "take" the test and pass; no harm, no foul. It's as simple as that. If an athlete is dirty but takes and beats the test, then more power to him. Maybe he's not taking anything to begin with explaining why he passed the test. But I'm reading guys in this thread basically saying things like "We don't need drug testing because it's not 100% effective".... WTF? Secondly, at least the guys you mentioned above are taking the test. This is more than I can say for some athletes. You're completely off point. Saying that Floyd's style of testing is ineffective does not equate to advocating for no testing at all. It just means that it should be trashed and replaced by a better testing process, which is all year round. Do you get it now?

Re-word everything in bold. It makes no sense. Let's try putting it in english. Secondly, regarding PED's, why even do drug tests at all if all you're going to say is "This makes Floyd's testing demand a total waste of money and energy. It is not going to clean up the sport, not by a long shot." If that's the case, let's stop all drug testing since there is no way to catch the cheaters. Bright idea buddy. NSAC/The Commission already agrees with Floyd's recommendations. You know as well as I do that until there's a financial solution that can cover OSDT year round testing, the OST that's currently implemented is the next best thing. You're not getting it again. Try to open your mind a little bit more. Floyd's testing of mere 8 weeks leaves a LARGE WINDOW OF OPORTUNITY for a cheater to exploit by cycling peds. And a boxer who has a history of taking fights once every 16+ months can very well be doing just that. That's why Floyd's testing process is worthless, a waste of money and energy. To find out if an athlete is cycling, year round testing is the answer. Get it now? Your analogy regarding condoms is not relevant to the problem. It serves a different purpose. It is use only for prevention, not detection. On the other hand, ost is for detection. Clearer?

I don' have to cry about anything. My boxer won! You and the other Pactards are the ones crying. That is the purpose of this thread -- to whine using circular logic that only makes sense to the Pactards on this site. Circular logic: Pac refused to take random drug tests requested by Mayweather, but Mayweather is the one who is dodging the fight. Circular logic: Pac refuses to take drug tests that every boxer between 140 and 154 has indicated they would take. However, Pac is not using illegal PEDS, but Mayweather is because he took 2.5 years off from boxing and later took 16 months off and actually came back and won his fights!:fu2: Actual logic. No commission requires this phony random drug testing. Actual logic. No fighter is doing this phony random drug testing except for Floyd, an ex steroid user, and Victor Ortiz. Actual logic. Pacquiao has fought 58 times without any of his opponents crying about extra testing. Actual logic. Floyd Mayweather spent the years, 1996 through 2009 without doing any type of random drug testing, phony or real. Actual logic. Floyd Mayweather, will never fight a prime welterweight who is worth anything. History shows he avoided Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, and now, Manny Pacquiao.

The fax, Floyds on PEDs. Takes long breaks to cycle, and then comes back to a phony random drug test. Cry about it. I don' have to cry about anything. My boxer won! You and the other Pactards are the ones crying. That is the purpose of this thread -- to whine using circular logic that only makes sense to the Pactards on this site. Circular logic: Pac refused to take random drug tests requested by Mayweather, but Mayweather is the one who is dodging the fight. Circular logic: Pac refuses to take drug tests that every boxer between 140 and 154 has indicated they would take. However, Pac is not using illegal PEDS, but Mayweather is because he took 2.5 years off from boxing and later took 16 months off and actually came back and won his fights!:fu2:

Thank you for proviing my point. When it suits your criticism, Floyd suddenly has power that he didn't have before. Of course, you ignore the facts, such as the fact you and the other Pactards have claimed all week that Floyd sucker punched Ortiz and his behavior was unsportsmanlike. I guess that now that boxers and trainers and guys like Teddy Atlas and Dana White are starting to come to Floyd's defense and support his actions and are criticizing Ortiz, the Pactards are changing their story. You also ignore the fact that Ortiz had both hands down when Floyd ko'd him. He saw the puches coming and could have put up his hands after the left hook. Also, as all boxers know, punches don't hurt nearly as bad when you see them coming. Instead, Ortiz chose to keep his hands down and look to the referee to disqualify Floyd. and, the most important fact of all (okay, maybe an opinion)-- Ortiz took a dive! When Ortiz went down, he could have gotten back up because he wasn't hurt that badly. In fact, I thought he was going to get up. He chose not to because he was looking to bail out of the fight every since he threw the head butt. The fax, Floyds on PEDs. Takes long breaks to cycle, and then comes back to a phony random drug test. Cry about it.

Floyd just knocked out a guy who was weighing in at about 162, with two punches. This knockout happened after a year and a half. That is highly suspicious. Thank you for proviing my point. When it suits your criticism, Floyd suddenly has power that he didn't have before. Of course, you ignore the facts, such as the fact you and the other Pactards have claimed all week that Floyd sucker punched Ortiz and his behavior was unsportsmanlike. I guess that now that boxers and trainers and guys like Teddy Atlas and Dana White are starting to come to Floyd's defense and support his actions and are criticizing Ortiz, the Pactards are changing their story. You also ignore the fact that Ortiz had both hands down when Floyd ko'd him. He saw the puches coming and could have put up his hands after the left hook. All boxers know that punches don't hurt nearly as bad when you see them coming. Instead, Ortiz chose to keep his hands down and look to the referee to disqualify Floyd. All of this leads to the last and most important fact of all (okay, maybe an opinion)-- Ortiz took a dive! When Ortiz went down, he could have gotten back up because he wasn't hurt that badly. In fact, I thought he was going to get up. He chose not to because he was looking to bail out of the fight every since he threw the head butt.

Pactards have been saying for years that Floyd is featherfisted. You have consistently pointed out that he couldn't knock out a lightweight in Marquez; couldn't stop De La Hoya like Pac did (ignoring the fact that Floyd fought De La Hoya at 154 and wore a couple of 10 oz pillows that Oscar picked out for him while Pac fought him at a weight-drained 145 pounds with 8-oz gloves); and that Floyd took 10 rounds to KO Hatton while Pac did it in two. You have also claimed that virtually everyone that he has fought, including Judah, Oscar, Mosley and Ortiz had faster hands. Now, when it suits your ridiculous and ignorant criticism, you claim that he has maintained his power and speed as he moved up, and therefore, must be using drugs. Your inability to keep your bull$hit straight would be laughable if not for the fact that it is such a ridiculous display of ignorance. Floyd just knocked out a guy who was weighing in at about 162, with two punches. This knockout happened after a year and a half. That is highly suspicious.

I give up, it's late and we're getting nowhere. I try to post links/sources from NSAC themselves and that still goes nowhere lol I feel like I'm talking to Victor Ortiz............ The tree LMAO!! I get your point. But i dont think it makes much sense. Your point essentially is: Let's do the mayweather test. The problem with that is: The mayweather test probably costs a lot in itself, and will only be able to detect one ped which the current nsac test can't detect - and as it turns out that ped used alone is useless.

I give up, it's late and we're getting nowhere. I try to post links/sources from NSAC themselves and that still goes nowhere lol I feel like I'm talking to Victor Ortiz............ The tree LMAO!! You're getting nowhere. Several people have explained to you the inefficiencies and overall pointlessness of a phony random drug test that only targets two fighters in a sport that has hundreds if not thousands. You've even been told that drug testing in other sports, is done on all athletes of that respective sport which makes the process fair, for everyone. Fair, which is what this testing is supposed to be about.

They complain at how Pac moved up in weight while maintaining his speed and power. Well so has floyd! Pactards have been saying for years that Floyd is featherfisted. You have consistently pointed out that he couldn't knock out a lightweight in Marquez; couldn't stop De La Hoya like Pac did (ignoring the fact that Floyd fought De La Hoya at 154 and wore a couple of 10 oz pillows that Oscar picked out for him while Pac fought him at a weight-drained 145 pounds with 8-oz gloves); and that Floyd took 10 rounds to KO Hatton while Pac did it in two. You have also claimed that virtually everyone that he has fought, including Judah, Oscar, Mosley and Ortiz had faster hands. Now, when it suits your ridiculous and ignorant criticism, you claim that he has maintained his power and speed as he moved up, and therefore, must be using drugs. Your inability to keep your bull$hit straight would be laughable if not for the fact that it is such a ridiculous display of ignorance.

OMG I'm in the twilight zone here. Toyman, this is what you don't understand. NSAC has already agreed to FMJ's stance on the matter. The only reason they haven't made Random blood testing mandatory is due to, guess what? Yep, funding!!! How can you sit here and tell me what NSAC is doing is enough, when NSAC themselves have already said it's not enough. If you went back and read my posts like you said you did, you would've read both links I posted with quotes from NSAC themselves. Well first of all: If the problem really is funding, then there isn't much you can do about it anyway - so why complain about it? You say the next best thing is the mayweather test, but as we've just seen - the mayweather test is only very slightly better than the NSAC test, perhaps not enough of an upgrade to warrant implementing it at the moment. Secondly, in order for you to fully asses whether or not it is useful, you would need to actually understand what peds do and what they don't do. From my understanding, the only difference between mayweather's test and the nsac is the slight possibility of hgh detection - which on its own is useless. Yes, it would be nice to know that someone is not using hgh, but looking at what ive just read - you aren't going to gain any benefit from hgh without using other peds - all of which are detectable in urine. My opinion on this is actually do what suckerpunch said. Test all of them and use a percentage of their earnings for it. If it's not viable (which it probably isn't) then perhaps they could implement random urine testing at all times. but then again, the urine testing could be expensive as well but at least its not as intrusive as blood tests.

OMG I'm in the twilight zone here. Toyman, this is what you don't understand. NSAC has already agreed to FMJ's stance on the matter. The only reason they haven't made Random blood testing mandatory is due to, guess what? Yep, funding!!! How can you sit here and tell me what NSAC is doing is enough, when NSAC themselves have already said it's not enough. If you went back and read my posts like you said you did, you would've read both links I posted with quotes from NSAC themselves. If they're not doing year round, in and out of competition random drug testing, guess what? They haven't agreed to it, funding issues or not. Thats the bottom line. They are not doing it. To support my stance, Floyd agreed to fight Margarito when Tony went up to him face to face, Floyd said, "We'll do it later, down the line". Guess what? Floyd never fought him.

Yes, this is true. Since no testing system is 100% effective, do you suggest doing away with all testing as a whole? Condoms aren't 100% effective so let's stop using condoms, yes? No im not suggesting that at all - im suggesting just stick with the current testing standards. Unlimited urine testing would probably be the most viable method right now..(not sure how cheap it is, but its not as intrusive as blood test) - it will find the peds which are needed to make hgh useful. And if the blood test would only be able to detect hgh, there'd be no need for it since hgh on its own is useless. To sum it up: Saying no to mayweather testing is not saying no to all testing. It's just saying no to a test which is probably much more expensive and only slightly more useful.

SuckerPunch4KO:I have an idea. Let's do a year round drug test that's not financially possible for ALL fighters. If that's not possible, let's just not do a test at all, then blame the person that's making an attempt to do what's possible. Great idea!! But your problem begins here. There is testing. Testing Floyd has used since 1996. You guys would have better bullets in your chambers if Floyd was using this method his entire career. But he didn't.