Kenny Bayless gives his thoughts on Mayweather-Ortiz.

good point here. Mayweather clearly has internal issues that he's dealing with and that's why we get all these sporadic outbursts from him. Nearly a decade of disrespect from his own "family", HBO, and in front of million viewers would eventually break him down. And "eventually", is now. A part of that is his own fault but the lack of "journalism" from HBO has also taken its toll.

He did hesitate on the cheap shot portion. I think he wanted to call it a cheap shot, but then remembered he's a ref and should judge the actions based on such. Or maybe he thought about the consequences of not being politically incorrect but ended up deciding to tell it like it is? That the punch was legal and Floyd did not do anything wrong. It was all on Ortiz. I'm sick and tired of people taking this outcome as a hostage just to push their own (political) agenda. Doug Fischer is only one of a bunch. Aurum is talking about him being disgusted and that his fighters would never do such thing. Well, Bobby Boy, you got caught for bribery and your once high profile fighter has been caught for having plaster in his wraps - and you brought him home to fight anyway. Now that's disgusting.

Floyd has very contradictory attitudes to what the fans (and boxing experts) think. Sometimes he gets very emotional when he is criticised, even breaking down in tears at times; and he often makes it clear that he wants to remembered as a great fighter, perhaps as the greatest of all time. Other times, as you say, he only seems to care about money and not about legacy or respect. But to the extent that he does care about his legacy, and part of him does, he did himself no favours in the way he ended the fight. good point here. Mayweather clearly has internal issues that he's dealing with and that's why we get all these sporadic outbursts from him.

It was the fact that Cortez was looking at the timekeepers that made Ortiz (and many fans, until they watched the replay) think that the fight hadn't yet recommenced. Ortiz didn't hear him say "let's go". That doesn't excuse Ortiz: As Floyd says, it's protect yourself at all times. But Cortez was completely in the wrong nevertheless. How when the ref clearly said "lets go" and motioned them to fight on. After he did that Ortiz was supposed to be locked in on Mayweather not Cortez. He was instructed to go and that's that. Ortiz made a costly mistake by not defending himself that I, Kenny Bayless, and many others agree. Ortiz was supposed to duck after the left hook. He stood there like a deer in headlights and ate that right hand that followed. Floyd even paused before he threw that right hand.

Floyd has very contradictory attitudes to what the fans (and boxing experts) think. Sometimes he gets very emotional when he is criticised, even breaking down in tears at times; and he often makes it clear that he wants to remembered as a great fighter, perhaps as the greatest of all time. Other times, as you say, he only seems to care about money and not about legacy or respect. But to the extent that he does care about his legacy, and part of him does, he did himself no favours in the way he ended the fight. On this we can finally agree....

Dave, your point is perfectly understood, I assure you. I agree that Mayweather has the skills to win a fight with Ortiz in a more conventional way. It just so happens that Floyd saw fit to end it opportunistically. Would it surprise you to find out Mayweather ultimately doesn't really give a damn what the fans think? If people don't like it, they can vote with their wallets. But you know as well as I do that they'll be back...and so will you...and so will I. Floyd has very contradictory attitudes to what the fans (and boxing experts) think. Sometimes he gets very emotional when he is criticised, even breaking down in tears at times; and he often makes it clear that he wants to remembered as a great fighter, perhaps as the greatest of all time. Other times, as you say, he only seems to care about money and not about legacy or respect. But to the extent that he does care about his legacy, and part of him does, he did himself no favours in the way he ended the fight.

You're missing the point. The point is that the fans lost out and Mayweather didn't need to win that way. He had the skills to win on merit. Dave, your point is perfectly understood, I assure you. I agree that Mayweather has the skills to win a fight with Ortiz in a more conventional way. It just so happens that Floyd saw fit to end it opportunistically. Would it surprise you to find out Mayweather ultimately doesn't really give a damn what the fans think? If people don't like it, they can vote with their wallets. But you know as well as I do that they'll be back...and so will you...and so will I.

You guys are killing me with this blame Cortez argument. If Cortez was looking Mayweather was still going to two piece him and Ortiz still would have got knocked out. Cortez said "lets go" and motioned them to continue. At that point the fight was on. Mayweather threw 2 clean punches therefore It wouldn't have mattered. What difference would have been made if he was looking? It was the fact that Cortez was looking at the timekeepers that made Ortiz (and many fans, until they watched the replay) think that the fight hadn't yet recommenced. Ortiz didn't hear him say "let's go". That doesn't excuse Ortiz: As Floyd says, it's protect yourself at all times. But Cortez was completely in the wrong nevertheless.

What most people are missing is that the real issue isn't whether Ortiz deserved what he got, but whether the fans deserved what they got. They didn't. Mayweather got paid $40 million for this fight, money which ultimately came from the fans, and in return he delivered a hugely anti-climactic ending. Anyone can get a knock-out by hitting someone who is looking at the ref and has his hands down. It doesn't take a great fighter to be able to do that. But Floyd is a great fighter, and could have got a highlight reel knock-out and sent the fans home happy, instead of giving the fans a massively anti-climactic ending. If he'd done that everyone would have been celebrating a great performance by a true master boxer instead of debating the rights and wrongs of the way the fight ended. Floyd let the fans who pay him down, and himself down, by taking advantage of a man who wasn't in a position to defend himself when he had the ability to get the knock-out using his skills. And Cortez screwed up big time by looking at the timekeepers instead of at the action at the crucial moment. You guys are killing me with this blame Cortez argument. If Cortez was looking Mayweather was still going to two piece him and Ortiz still would have got knocked out. Cortez said "lets go" and motioned them to continue. At that point the fight was on. Mayweather threw 2 clean punches therefore It wouldn't have mattered. What difference would have been made if he was looking?

Tyson's knockouts got surprisingly dull due to the predictability of their speed. Ever wonder why those guys with the most amazing looking women cheat? Because it gets old! lol I didn't find them dull. And even if you did it's disingenious to compare a knock-out based on skills and power with one based on an opponent having his hands by his side and looking at the ref. As for not realizing "the fight had recommenced": whose fault is that? You're missing the point. The point is that the fans lost out and Mayweather didn't need to win that way. He had the skills to win on merit.

Those fights weren't anti-climactic at all. He ended them excitingly using his skills and power. He did not hit someone who was looking the other way, who had his hands by his side, and who clearly didn't realise the fight had recommenced. Tyson's knockouts got surprisingly dull due to the predictability of their speed. Ever wonder why those guys with the most amazing looking women cheat? Because it gets old! lol As for not realizing "the fight had recommenced": whose fault is that? Was Mayweather supposed to advise Ortiz to put his dukes up? Once again, I don't necessarily like what Floyd did, but he was well within his rights. I can't blame him for walking in the door that Victor left wide open.

Remember when Mike Tyson was knocking everyone out in the first round or two? That got old for me real fast. But was he supposed to carry his opponents a few rounds in order to give the fans a better show? Those fights weren't anti-climactic at all. He ended them excitingly using his skills and power. He did not hit someone who was looking the other way, who had his hands by his side, and who clearly didn't realise the fight had recommenced.

i would've loved to have seen more rounds but i was satisfied with saturday's PPV overall. we got more boxing in 4 rounds than the entire pac-clottey/mosley fights combined.

Dave, I understand you're really upset about Mayweather not giving the fans their money's worth, but I utterly disagree with your rationale. Anything can happen in a fight. Floyd gets caught with one lucky shot and he wakes up in the hospital with his "zero" gone. I didn't like the outcome any more than you did, but I understand Mayweather's desire to hit the showers early. He came, he fought, he won. He did his part. Remember when Mike Tyson was knocking everyone out in the first round or two? That got old for me real fast. But was he supposed to carry his opponents a few rounds in order to give the fans a better show? good point...

What most people are missing is that the real issue isn't whether Ortiz deserved what he got, but whether the fans deserved what they got. They didn't. Mayweather got paid $40 million for this fight, money which ultimately came from the fans, and in return he delivered a hugely anti-climactic ending. Anyone can get a knock-out by hitting someone who is looking at the ref and has his hands down. It doesn't take a great fighter to be able to do that. But Floyd is a great fighter, and could have got a highlight reel knock-out and sent the fans home happy, instead of giving the fans a massively anti-climactic ending. If he'd done that everyone would have been celebrating a great performance by a true master boxer instead of debating the rights and wrongs of the way the fight ended. Floyd let the fans who pay him down, and himself down, by taking advantage of a man who wasn't in a position to defend himself when he had the ability to get the knock-out using his skills. And Cortez screwed up big time by looking at the timekeepers instead of at the action at the crucial moment. Dave, I understand you're really upset about Mayweather not giving the fans their money's worth, but I utterly disagree with your rationale. Anything can happen in a fight. Floyd gets caught with one lucky shot and he wakes up in the hospital with his "zero" gone. I didn't like the outcome any more than you did, but I understand Mayweather's desire to hit the showers early. He came, he fought, he won. He did his part. Remember when Mike Tyson was knocking everyone out in the first round or two? That got old for me real fast. But was he supposed to carry his opponents a few rounds in order to give the fans a better show?

Doesnt the ref have to look at the time keeper everytime he calls time in, where in boxing history has there been a time limit for the ref to call time in. The Cortez stopped the action, deducted the point, bring both fighters together and called time in, he did his job, time was in period, stop making excuses the ref should not be the escape goat! where are we riding this escape goat?

Kenny Bayless is classic with his wide open eyes, looks into your SOUL

I am a amateur boxing trainer in phoenix. When these kids start boxing the ref is not allowed to talk they give hand gestures to make sure everybody understands whats going on. I would've loved to see the fight finish but when cortez said lets go and waived them in to fight Floyd and Ortiz knew what was going on thats why they both walked up on each other. the problem is Ortiz wanted one more apology and Floyd was ready to fight. Thats all ortiz knows better he has been boxing for a long time. I have seen this point made many times since the fight. It's the most valid argument...period. As an old instructor of mine was fond of saying, "Life ain't fair." It really isn't. Victor Ortiz, of all people, should have learned that by now. Call Floyd a coward, dirty, un-sportsmanlike...whatever. It may all be true, but his victory will stand forever in the books because what he did was legal.

What most people are missing is that the real issue isn't whether Ortiz deserved what he got, but whether the fans deserved what they got. They didn't. Mayweather got paid $40 million for this fight, money which ultimately came from the fans, and in return he delivered a hugely anti-climactic ending. Anyone can get a knock-out by hitting someone who is looking at the ref and has his hands down. It doesn't take a great fighter to be able to do that. But Floyd is a great fighter, and could have got a highlight reel knock-out and sent the fans home happy, instead of giving the fans a massively anti-climactic ending. If he'd done that everyone would have been celebrating a great performance by a true master boxer instead of debating the rights and wrongs of the way the fight ended. Floyd let the fans who pay him down, and himself down, by taking advantage of a man who wasn't in a position to defend himself when he had the ability to get the knock-out using his skills. And Cortez screwed up big time by looking at the timekeepers instead of at the action at the crucial moment.

Although Cortez did say lets go to get the fight going, he himself was not acting that way by looking away from the action. He has to be at fault for that. Floyd's punch was a sucker punch. I don't see how anyone can dispute that. It was obvious Ortiz was not paying attention. That doesn't make it illegal, but it does make it cheap. Ortiz was looking right at Mayweather when he caught a left to the dome. It was after that little wake-up call that Victor unadvisedly took his eyes off Floyd. Time was in. Was Mayweather supposed to stand there and wait for Ortiz to get set? Floyd was committed by then. Unsporting or not, you agree it was legal. As bad a taste as that fight left, it was a legit win. Not much to be said after that.