Can the critics of Mayweather's KO against Ortiz be divided on racial lines? To my mind what Mayweather did was entirely above board. In that fourth round Cortez had warned Ortiz two times before deducting a point following the blatant Billy Goat Butt. Ortiz apologised twice before Cortez took him to a neutral corner and said "Let's go" before bringing both fighters to the centre of the ring. At that point the fight is back on and we all know how it ended. It wasn't too long ago Mosley got torn to shreds for continually tapping gloves with Pacquiao. Mayweather got applauded for hitting Mosley when Mosley wanted to hold a conversation with him during the fight. Now Mayweather is being crucified for hitting Ortiz after three fouls in the same round and having tapped gloves and hugged in acceptance of an apology. If anyone wants to say whether they agree or disagree with Mayweather followed by whether they class themselves as White or Non-White I'm sure you'll find a clear difference between the races.
I support Mayweather vs Pacman for a few reasons. He wins with skills, while Pacquiao wins with drugs. I hate cheaters and even if Floyd used steroids to heal his hands, He doesn't use it to enhance his performances. He doesn't use it to break bones.
Then comes the fans. I hate the stupid superiority BS that come from Pacquiao fans. Most are ignorant and noticeable never followed boxing until their drug enhance super heroe started braking bones. Their blind and gay arguments annoy the hell out of me and understand perfectly the Pactard term. Then comes the other retarded group, that's not much better but at least from my neutral observation are a smaller percentage. From the "Flomo" fans, it’s obvious to me that the bigger percentage where boxing fans prior to Mayweather. From both groups, the Pactards annoy me most.
I have been a boxing fan for more than 40 yrs and I like Mayweather as a boxer, not so much as a person, but I love boxing and He is the most skillful boxer today. He is facing the better opposition and I believe that his skills would cream a drugless Pacquiao.
There are flaws in your argument. You can't prove that Pacquioa is on enhancement drugs, therefore you're just regurgitating hearsay. Until it is proven that he was on steroids then it's bs.
Another thing, Pactards and Flomos are equally annoying. You can't say one is worst than the other you have to examine each person on an individual level.
Last but not least, I do think Mayweather beats Pacman easily if they fight.
No, its separated by class:
Race-hustlers and low class bums black and white plus white ******* like Dan Rafael and Kevin Iole love Mayweather. Everyone else of higher character criticizes him when he deserves it.
Yea I will never understand hating someone that you don't know that has done NO WRONG to you but to each his own.
I do however think that Mayweather will eventually get his just due, it'll just come later down the line. Remember people hated Ali with a passion when he was fighting, now he's the greatest of all time.
Floyd probably wont go down as GOAT but he'll get his respect eventually.
Yes, I forgot to mention that dude... time will be good to him of course... I meant as long as he still fights and probably till about 5 or 6 years later... he will get his due... Steve Young also got into the Hall and definitely not because he sucked before winning a SuperBowl...
He is easy Hall of Fame... and is easily amongst the 3 best fighters of his own time...
He is the best or second best 130 pounder of all times... he fought almost nothing but champions - won them all - best defensive minded offensive fighter probably ever... ppl cry about he ain't fought enough Hall of Famers like Pacquiao did - but which Hall of Famer was in his weight class??? Was a Barrera, Morales, Marquez in his weight class??? No, so why is it his fault... he fought champions, worthy challengers every outing... ppl can cry what they want but with the exception of Pacquiao and Hopkins probably everyone is his era would more then love to change their resume for his resume - you can't measure him against other greats because they of course couldn't fight - but the eaze in which he handled champions of his time really should have him as an all-time great - about Top50 something - he had two years who were a little bit empty - so that hurts him...
I'm African America and I agree with your assessment. If the roles were reversed my stance would still be the same. Ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it. When the ref says fight you fight. You can kiss and hug before and after the fight but when you're in the squared circle you fight.
Ref didn't say fight though.
I support Mayweather vs Pacman for a few reasons. He wins with skills, while Pacquiao wins with drugs. I hate cheaters and even if Floyd used steroids to heal his hands, He doesn't use it to enhance his performances. He doesn't use it to break bones.
Then comes the fans. I hate the stupid superiority BS that come from Pacquiao fans. Most are ignorant and noticeable never followed boxing until their drug enhance super heroe started braking bones. Their blind and gay arguments annoy the hell out of me and understand perfectly the Pactard term. Then comes the other retarded group, that's not much better but at least from my neutral observation are a smaller percentage. From the "Flomo" fans, it’s obvious to me that the bigger percentage where boxing fans prior to Mayweather. From both groups, the Pactards annoy me most.
I have been a boxing fan for more than 40 yrs and I like Mayweather as a boxer, not so much as a person, but I love boxing and He is the most skillful boxer today. He is facing the better opposition and I believe that his skills would cream a drugless Pacquiao.
A lot of white people complain abotu Mayweathers antics and say that he's a coward, but a whole lot of those white people also hate the **** out of the Klitschko brothers. It goes a lot deeper than race.
I was an an IMAX theater for the Floyd-Ortiz fight, and during the post fight interview, a crowd of ten or so black guys by the exit got into a heated argument with another group of black guys sitting at the back of the theater.
"The mother****er can punch these bums all day, when that ***** gonna fight PACQUIAO!?"
"When that cheatin mother ****er wanna take the damn blood test! When he do that, Mayweather will see ya!"
"Yeah he'll see me, but that punk mother****er ain't trying to see Pacquiao! CHUMP!"
The whole theater was rolling at how hardcore this argument got. :rofl: But yeah, Mayweather's critics come from way more than one race.
The criticism that he gets has nothing to do with race - like everything with Mayweather - everything - it is way over board (doesn't matter if positive or negative) - if you are on that plateau where he is everything is extreme - he gets way too much hate (ppl calling him names, wishing him death etc. I mean seriously what did he do to you to call him names, wish him things, badmouth him... did he raped someone of your familiy???)... and the same goes to the praises for him - he isn't a god or something...
How good he is and what he is can't be judged - because everybody has an different opinion and view on how they rate things... he just acts crazy at times and that's why ppl hate on him...
It's the same with Tony Romo... ppl simply have a perception of you... they have it... the same with Floyd... Steve Young once said he learned that nothing will change the perception of ppl - NOTHING - without the exception of winning a SuperBowl... if Romo should do that ppl we see him better - in boxing there is no SuperBowl... the hate and perception of Mayweather already is way too far and huge that he could ever change the perception of himself... it doesn't matter what he does... even if he beats Pacquiao he will never get his due... that has nothing to do with race - it's perception (and a lot of this is also his own fault)
I personally as a rating tool always look to boxer and what they say... because as an expert and know it all you can say and know it all - but fighters know fighters... I have never heard any fighter discredit Floyd Mayweather... they all know how exceptional he is... and the fighters have respect for Floyd - the reporters, commentators, fans are different - but they ain't fighters and supposed to...
It's just perception IMO not race - because I'm someone who is white, GERMAN and I do really like Mayweather (also Pacquiao *smile*) - so this is nothing about race just perception and ppl being emotionally touched to an extreme which I will never understand - with the exception Floyd killed an family member of you or some thing like that
Yea I will never understand hating someone that you don't know that has done NO WRONG to you but to each his own.
I do however think that Mayweather will eventually get his just due, it'll just come later down the line. Remember people hated Ali with a passion when he was fighting, now he's the greatest of all time.
Floyd probably wont go down as GOAT but he'll get his respect eventually.
Can the critics of Mayweather's KO against Ortiz be divided on racial lines? To my mind what Mayweather did was entirely above board. In that fourth round Cortez had warned Ortiz two times before deducting a point following the blatant Billy Goat Butt. Ortiz apologised twice before Cortez took him to a neutral corner and said "Let's go" before bringing both fighters to the centre of the ring. At that point the fight is back on and we all know how it ended. It wasn't too long ago Mosley got torn to shreds for continually tapping gloves with Pacquiao. Mayweather got applauded for hitting Mosley when Mosley wanted to hold a conversation with him during the fight. Now Mayweather is being crucified for hitting Ortiz after three fouls in the same round and having tapped gloves and hugged in acceptance of an apology. If anyone wants to say whether they agree or disagree with Mayweather followed by whether they class themselves as White or Non-White I'm sure you'll find a clear difference between the races.
The criticism that he gets has nothing to do with race - like everything with Mayweather - everything - it is way over board (doesn't matter if positive or negative) - if you are on that plateau where he is everything is extreme - he gets way too much hate (ppl calling him names, wishing him death etc. I mean seriously what did he do to you to call him names, wish him things, badmouth him... did he raped someone of your familiy???)... and the same goes to the praises for him - he isn't a god or something...
How good he is and what he is can't be judged - because everybody has an different opinion and view on how they rate things... he just acts crazy at times and that's why ppl hate on him...
It's the same with Tony Romo... ppl simply have a perception of you... they have it... the same with Floyd... Steve Young once said he learned that nothing will change the perception of ppl - NOTHING - without the exception of winning a SuperBowl... if Romo should do that ppl we see him better - in boxing there is no SuperBowl... the hate and perception of Mayweather already is way too far and huge that he could ever change the perception of himself... it doesn't matter what he does... even if he beats Pacquiao he will never get his due... that has nothing to do with race - it's perception (and a lot of this is also his own fault)
I personally as a rating tool always look to boxer and what they say... because as an expert and know it all you can say and know it all - but fighters know fighters... I have never heard any fighter discredit Floyd Mayweather... they all know how exceptional he is... and the fighters have respect for Floyd - the reporters, commentators, fans are different - but they ain't fighters and supposed to...
It's just perception IMO not race - because I'm someone who is white, GERMAN and I do really like Mayweather (also Pacquiao *smile*) - so this is nothing about race just perception and ppl being emotionally touched to an extreme which I will never understand - with the exception Floyd killed an family member of you or some thing like that
they're (Who's they're?) just trying to embrace their own(What does this mean?) whether it's right or wrong. most of these flomos were the same people who were furious when abraham hit dirrel while the latter was down. now they're up in arms to defend floyd's disgraceful conduct.
So he mentions 2 black fighters, uses words like "They're & Own kind" and you puzzy out and duck reality?
We all know what is meant, it's just the puzzy in you that holds it back
lol hes not gonna comment
No, he means dumb cocksucker.they're (Who's they're?) just trying to embrace their own(What does this mean?) whether it's right or wrong. most of these flomos were the same people who were furious when abraham hit dirrel while the latter was down. now they're up in arms to defend floyd's disgraceful conduct.
So he mentions 2 black fighters, uses words like "They're & Own kind" and you puzzy out and duck reality?
We all know what is meant, it's just the puzzy in you that holds it back
they're just trying to embrace their own whether it's right or wrong. most of these flomos were the same people who were furious when abraham hit dirrel while the latter was down. now they're up in arms to defend floyd's disgraceful conduct.So by "Flomo" you mean Blacks?
did he ever say the word "fight" ?
at the 0:37 mark Cortez says "lets go." At that point the fight is on. Ortiz wanted another hug and he got punished for it. I have no clew why he was looking at the ref and not Floyd. What makes it worse is Floyd paused after he hit him with the hook and Ortiz didn't even duck or put his hands up like anyone else that got hit unexpectantly would.
People bring up the fact that the ref wasn't looking but that doesn't matter he had already said "lets go." He looked away to tell the timekeeper to start the clock and Ortiz just wasn't paying attention.
they're just trying to embrace their own whether it's right or wrong. most of these flomos were the same people who were furious when abraham hit dirrel while the latter was down. now they're up in arms to defend floyd's disgraceful conduct.
Maybe you just don't have any presence, maybe you're the type that when you walk in a room obody notices you.
Insecure and small people will always feel small around people who have presence.
I'm not loud nor cocky, but I do have presence and personality. You're just insecure is all, stop allowing your girl to watch interracial **** and it'll taper off.
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I'm African America and I agree with your assessment. If the roles were reversed my stance would still be the same. Ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it. When the ref says fight you fight. You can kiss and hug before and after the fight but when you're in the squared circle you fight.
Unfortunately, that does NOT ring true for everyone.
I'm African America and I agree with your assessment. If the roles were reversed my stance would still be the same. Ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it. When the ref says fight you fight. You can kiss and hug before and after the fight but when you're in the squared circle you fight.did he ever say the word "fight" ?
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