"Where was Pacquiao in 1996-2001 when I was dominating the game?" PBF

Never said Deathmask would own Manny, but Manny conveniently avoided him to fight for a vacant belt. Toshiaki Nishioka retained his belt defeating Marquez by the way, so it should be reflected that Pacquiao's achievements even at weights below 126 were due to selective matchmaking, and considered opportunistic at best. Far from great. Chatchai Sasakul reign at Flyweight nowhere near the reign of Sahaprom, and Manny got KO'D the very next fight. The Lehlohonolo Ledwaba fight was in 2001, and the fight took place after Floyd destroyed Diego Corrales and was 2 fights away from cleaning out the 130 division. Jorge Eliecer Julio was already shot, but nice try. Certainly you are a clown and have no idea about Pacquiao in lower weight classes other than trolling here. Pac after winning his WBC belt against the linear champ Sasakul, he defended in it 2 times before losing it at the scale against Singsurat. After that, he learned quickly that his growing body can no longer compete at 112 without endangering his health and affecting his performance. So he decided to fight at 122, by passing the 115 and 118 division. If you think Pac was ducking the 115 or 118 fighters in favor of 122 fighters is ridiculous. Now let us take a look at these 122 fighters Pac fought before he battered Barrera into submission. Emmanuel Lucero 21-0-1 TKO 3, undefeated Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym 37-2-0 TKO 1 Jorge Eliecer Julio 44-3-0 TKO 2, former WBO and WBA champ Agapito Sanchez 31-9-2 Draw, WBO champ Lehlohonolo Ledwaba 33-1-1 KO 6, IBF champ Wethya Sakmuangklang 41-3-0 KO 6 Tetsutora Senrima 19-4-3 TKO 5 Nedal Hussein 19-0-0 TKO 10, undefeated Seung-Kon Chae 23-0-0 TKO 1, undefeated Arnel Barotillo 22-9-3 TKO 4 Reynante Jamili 41-5-0 TKO 2

I agree on both points, I've got a little cock and I'm a f@ggot midget. FTFY. :boxing:

Stop kissing Manny's ass, and tell us who those fighter are and what they have accomplished? If you don't know what the hell your talking about because you only came here after reading Boxingrec, then say that. I don't need to look at Manny's record, because I've been following the sport a lot longer than 1996 to know who was doing what. FYI Toshiaki Nishioka craps on any of Manny's first 40 victims. The thing about the lowest categories is that they are not deep divisions. There are very few guys that are that small. The fact that Nishioka and Sahaprom met 4 times is a big indication of that. You are right, the majority of my knowledge of these guys is coming from boxrec, but records don't lie. The vast majority of fights for Sahaprom have been against guys with very weak - often losing - records. It just does not lend credence to your assertions that he'd own Pacquiao. Whilst Pacquiao was busy winning a 2nd world title in 2001 and "dodging" Sahaprom, the Thai was stepping in to the ring with a guy with a 0-7-0 record. I mean, come on... Guys get criticized for fighting at home all the time and their level of opposition. Calzaghe, Chris John, they get criticized for it - and they're average standard of opposition is far higher than the standard that Sahaprom regularly faced. Unless you can provide some evidence other than an observation that Pacquiao skipped a weight class - having just lost due to severe weight drain problems - then your argument carries no weight. There's no quotes, nothing anecdotal, just what you reckon. And even worse for your point, it goes against the precedent Pacquiao set throughout his career - fighting Sasakul at 2 weeks notice, beating the likes of Lehlohonolo Ledwaba and Jorge Eliecer Julio, both respected super bantamweights, before stepping in with Barrera, a ring legend in his prime at 29 years of age. Other than declaring Sahaprom the king of his weight class - at a weight where there's very little competition - you've actually said nothing of any meaning. If Sahaprom was so good, why did he never step up to super bantamweight for tougher fights instead of fighting 0-7-0 novice bums? Nishioka seemed to get better with age and was a natural 122lber. He was nowhere when Pacquiao was down that low.

I'm a pacturd and a pathetic individual. * Oscar was weight drained and the victory was hollow. I agree on both points, you little f@ggot midget.

But it had zero effect on Oscar...right, PacTurd? I'm not a pacturd you pathetic individual. Pathetic attempt to troll too. I never said weight draining had zero effect on Oscar*. Obviously you can't debate or discuss facts because you don't have the mental capacity for it, so instead you resort to trying to change the discussion. * Oscar was weight drained and the victory was hollow. I never said otherwise. However this is all hindsight. Many experts picked De La Hoya to win that one. Personally I don't think Oscar wins even at 154 though. Too old, too slow. Even in his prime it'd be a struggle. His combative style is the type of fight Pacquiao relishes, he'd do what he did to Mosley. At least Nature Boy did some research before trying to derail the discussion by suggesting Pacquiao's success at the lower weights was partly down to him ducking fighters. It was still a troll, but I respect him for being intelligent about it and sparking a debate about something interesting. You on the other hand are just a d*ckhead, likely fondling your flabby belly, wallowing in a sweat pit whilst you surf for **** and spew bile on internet forums because the real world is sh*tty to you.

Chatchai Sasakul reign at Flyweight nowhere near the reign of Sahaprom, and Manny got KO'D the very next fight. The Lehlohonolo Ledwaba fight was in 2001, and the fight took place after Floyd destroyed Diego Corrales and was 2 fights away from cleaning out the 130 division. Jorge Eliecer Julio was already shot, but nice try. chatchai sasakul was the best flyweight at the time when pac knocked him out. sahaprom was a bantamweight champion lol. pac never fought at bantamweight. also pac didn't get KO'ed right after he won the title. he lost the title in his second defense. there's no denying that ledwaba was still a good win for pac at super bantamweight. ledwaba may not have been on the same star level as corrales but it was a good fight to introduce american fight fans to pacquiao since at that time he was relatively unknown in the u.s. also, ledwaba was a world champion at super bantamweight and had 5 successful title defenses before pac completely destroyed him on two weeks short notice. also julio was on the tail end of his carrer, i agree, but it was still a nice name to have on pac's resume at the time.

Sasakul was the best flyweight in the world at the time Pacquiao beat him. Pacquiao had no business winning that fight but he did.

Stop kissing Manny's ass, and tell us who those fighter are and what they have accomplished? If you don't know what the hell your talking about because you only came here after reading Boxingrec, then say that. I don't need to look at Manny's record, because I've been following the sport a lot longer than 1996 to know who was doing what. the best fighters imo that he beat prior to fighting barrera were: chatchai sasakul - was the current WBC flyweight and lineal champion when pac beat him. pac was only 19 years old when he beat sasakul. Lehlohonolo Ledwaba - was the current IBF super bantamweight champion and was a rising star in the super bantamweight division when pac beat him on two weeks short notice. Jorge Eliecer Julio - two time world bantamweight champion and was also a bronze medalist in the 1988 summer olympics.

...and yet hardly anyone had ever heard of him until he fought and beat fighters faster and 'more convincingly' than Mayweather did, which is his point. No one was calling for Mayweather, the #1 P4P fighter at the time, to fight Pacquiao until he beat De La Hoya. He certainly hadn't been getting many PPV buys. Its pretty undisputable that Top Ranks strategy for the past few years is to beat fighters more convincingly than Mayweather did. Freddie Roach himself said as much before they fought Mosley, which was someone he was, on camera, quoted as saying he didn't want Pacquiao to go up against. Pacquiao was the #1 P4P not Mayweather before he beat DLH.

But it had zero effect on Oscar...right, PacTurd? oscar challenged pacquiao at 147 when pac was still a lightweight.

After his 2nd loss at 112lbs, Pacquiao moved up to 122lbs because the weight draining was making him too weak. But it had zero effect on Oscar...right, PacTurd?

Hey Troll, Sahaprom was one of the most durable fighters in the last 25 years, and that "fought mainly bums and novices" argument is same argument Flomos are making about Pacquiao guy. Give me a fighter in Manny's 1st 40 fights thats even remotly close to being compared to Sahaprom, a lineal champ for almost a decade with over a dozen title defenses. Your pathetic excuse and reply reflects pure ignorance, but it's ok that's why I'm here to school you. Hahahahahaha... you can look at Pacquiao's record for yourself mate. There are some very good fighters on the list before Barrera, most with winning or often unbeaten records. However, even if - in your opinion - there isn't good fighters prior to '03, he then goes on to beat Barrera twice, win a trilogy against Morales, and better Juan Manuel Marquez - all P4P elites in their primes at their best weights. That is something Mayweather just doesn't have (although he too has a stellar record). But go ahead, school me. Bring up fighters like Sahaprom and claim Pacquiao ducked them. I mean, whilst Pacquiao ducked him, Sahaprom was schooling guys with 5-5-0 and 22-25-2 records. What a super star. Can't believe Pacquiao avoided that. 7/10 for your attempted troll though. :You_Rock_

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You can't knock someone out with "feather fist" lol i agree unless he cheat or with the help of referee.

When Mayweather said "Where was Pac during 1996-2001", he was referring to him Mayweather already being on the P4P list since 1999 and being undefeated. Pac didn't reach P4P status until 2002-2003. That's what Mayweather meant by the comment. OHHH That was it..... hmmm NAH... try again

Mayweather 1996 - pro debut for Mayweather age 19 1998 - WBC Super Featherweight title 130lbs age 21 2001 - fights Corrales 130lbs age 24 Pacquiao 1995 - pro debut for Pacquiao age 16 1998 - WBC Flyweight title 112lbs age 19 2001 - IBF/WBO Super Bantamweight titles 120lbs age 22 To answer Mayweather's question: Pacquiao was becoming a 2 weight world champion 1996 to 2001. Mayweather was becoming a 1 weight world champion. They both won their first world title in the same year. Pacquiao was a world champion 2 years younger than Mayweather. Where was Pacquiao? 2 weight divisions below you. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan, 1927-2003 Nobody respects those TinyWeight titles in SouthEast BumFukk Asia. I saw Mayweather fight when he was 19. Had you ever heard of Pacquiao when he was 19? Be honest.

Veeraphol Sahaprom was the only marquee fighter in Asia and internationally between 112-122. If Manny was able to compete at 112, he could have competed at 118. He and his handlers chose to avoid 118 all together. Nice try at trolling mate. Veeraphol Sahaprom is a nobody. He stayed in Asia because he has fought mainly bums and novices throughout his career. You probably didn't bother to look at his record before posting this attempt at discrediting Pacquiao. After his 2nd loss at 112lbs, Pacquiao moved up to 122lbs because the weight draining was making him too weak.

Veeraphol Sahaprom was firmly planted in the Bantamweight division back then, and I personally always wondered why Pacquiao never challenged him? This question has managed to be avoided several times, so maybe you could answer it. Why did Pacquiao go from Flyweight straight to Super Bantamweight , when the Deathmask fight was right there to be made? both of PAC's earlier KO lost can be attributed to being weight drained as in both fights he also lost to the scales, when PAC jumped from Fly to superbatam its was best thing to do as it was at that time closer to his fighting weight...

And why floyd is hiding when pac was dominating his WW divisioN from 2008-2011?

which all happen to be AFTER 2001 They were his big fights against boxing legends. Prior to that he was building his career from the place he lived - the Philippines. He was winning world championships in the Asia Pacific region. Just as, I'm sure, Filipino boxing fans would not have known about Floyd Mayweather until after 2001, why would American fans know much about an Pacific-Asian star until he went Stateside? This may come as a surprise to many Americans, especially Floyd Mayweather, but he world is bigger than America. The USA encompasses less than 5% of the global population.