If - IF - the same version of Mayweather that showed up to fight Shane Mosley 16 months ago shows up on Saturday night against a big, young, strong and hungry Victor Ortiz, Floyd will head to the locker room at 41-1, and Ortiz will become the darling of the sport.
Here is why:
I went back and watched the Marquez fight, and the Shane Mosley fight. Twice. In the Marquez fight, JMM landed a couple of hard shots on Floyd early in the fight. You can see here @ 5:23 that Marquez pumps a (throwaway) jab, then lands a good right over the top. Remember that.
Now, fast-forward to the Shane Mosley fight. Remember the first round where Mosley fell? Why did he fall? He threw a bait jab and then Shane tried his Sunday punch over the top and lost his balance, Floyd narrowly slipped it.
Now, second round. Shane AGAIN pumps a throwaway (distraction) jab followed by everything he has into the right hand . At 0:05...
So, Floyd crowds Mosley and has nearly recovered. Shane then AGAIN does the SAME two-piece and catches Floyd at 0:33
So, Mosley went in with that gameplan. To see a fighter doing the same move several times early in a fight tells you it is his gameplan. Think Martinez' left hook that he threw four times until he caught Paul Williams. Using a Mayweather example, think about the check-hook that he hit Hatton with all night. That was Shane's plan. Feint the jab which gets Floyd to react, and bomb away with the right.
Floyd was celebrated for adjusting after he was hurt, but the point is that he never SHOULD have been hurt by that. He SHOULD have seen what Mosley was doing after the first THREE times Shane did it.
Which brings us to Saturday, September 17. There are several factors at play here:
Southpaw Stance: I have seen Floyd get hit hard by nearly every southpaw he has faced. Sharmba hit Floyd flush before Floyd turned southpaw himself. Chop-Chop caught Floyd with a massive looping right that had FMJ go back to the ropes to defend. Zab caught Floyd with a hard, straight left that again had PBF going back to the ropes to defend. So, Floyd's lapses vs. Southpaws are clearly evident.
Early Fight Opportunity: Floyd absolutely takes a few rounds to adjust. PARTICULARLY as he has gotten older and less active. Hatton's movement made Floyd fall off-balance in Round 1, although PBF had slipped the punch. Floyd and Judah got tangled in round 2 and nearly fell, not to mention the glove touching the canvas on another occasion in that fight. Even Marquez was able to land (above). And the Mosley fight (round 2, above) was the most Floyd has ever been hurt, despite what he says.
In summary, the confluence of the factors above tells me that this will be a VERY dangerous fight for an aging Mayweather. And for those who don't believe Floyd is aging, please list the guys in the HISTORY of boxing who are natural SFW's/LW's (even JWW's) and are not faded by age 35. Floyd turns 35 in a few months. 35. Inactivity doesn't help againg speed fighters... it hurts them.
Ortiz seems hungry. Motivated. In shape. He has little to lose.
Despite what the oddsmakers and boxing pundits are telling you, the stage is set for an upset here.
... the only question is if Victor will lay it all on the line. He should.
Larry Merchant was more upset about the KO loss then fukkn Ortiz was. Hell, Larry was more exciting then Ortiz was. :nonono:
This picture says a thousand words about Ortiz's mental make-up...
http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/43910/cozzone_Mayweather_Ortiz0357.jpg
But only word is needed.... WEAK. His attitude after the fight was what shows the guy is mentally whack.
Props to Floyd, he did what he had to do to get the win. Serves Victor right for trying to hug and kiss Floyd in the MIDDLE OF THE DAMN FIGHT FFS..... stupido.
The only thing funnier that Vic getting dropped is the fact that I am no longer allowed to start new threads.
You aren't the only one, lol. Are you a Floyd fan as well?
How do you think his footwork was? At times it looked like he did stumble a bit, but his hand speed was sparkling..
He walked Ortiz down, a guy who was "two stone" bigger than Floyd. Dude is a beast. I don't think he's afraid of anyone to be honest
It looked fine to me. Will have to watch again.
Got to me before I could get to you :lol1:
Mayweather was incredibley sharp in those 4 rounds, man.
His reflexes and timing was actually better than the Mosley fight IMO.
They really were. I thought they would have to be. But maybe he didn't need them to be that good :lol1:. Wow...all I can say. Didn't quite expect that. I thought Ortiz would have some moments but he was passive and then freaked out.
He showed his mental weakness here, as for Khan ever having a shot, I doubt he'll ever be that guy. Weird night though, everyone here was stunned and speechless man.
He shows his mental weakness in damn near all his high profile fights. The Berto fight was a mirage. This is the real Ortiz, the one from Maidana.
Khan might not be able to beat Floyd. But, Hurtado and Rivera were mentioned earlier. Not now, but I do think in a year or two especially if Floyd is coming off a long inactivity that Khan might be the one, not beat him, but be able to be the Rivera, Hurtado, to Floyd's Whitaker.
Khan IMO is more consistent than Ortiz, mentally stronger than Ortiz, just overall a better fighter than Ortiz. Don't get me wrong. I think Floyd beats him as well. But, if there's inactivity mixed in with the age. Their might be signs of a decline that we didn't get to see.
I stand corrected. Floyd looked like he hadn't lost a thing.
How do you think his footwork was? At times it looked like he did stumble a bit, but his hand speed was sparkling..
He walked Ortiz down, a guy who was "two stone" bigger than Floyd. Dude is a beast. I don't think he's afraid of anyone to be honest
http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/43910/cozzone_Mayweather_Ortiz0357.jpg
hahaha
and that's all she wrote.
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8773/5212u.jpg
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I just didn't get it. Didn't get it at all.
All the hype, why? Ah well, being right never gets old I guess :D :lol1:
Floyd looked incredible in those 4 Rounds and was ravor sharp.
Don't you think?
I get what people was saying about Floyd. I could understand it. I just didn't get why people thought that Ortiz was going to expose what they believe would be Floyd undoing.
Floyd looked damn good. Before Ortiz went Ortiz, I thought was was pretty much going to stop him. So even before the headbutt and what transpired. Floyd was in no danger and would have won. And, I think a stoppage was very well likely to have happened regardless.
Honestly if Rios can carry his weight to 147 and be effective, BIG IF, very BIG IF. But, if he can I think he beats Ortiz. Rios mentality is of a fighter. Ortiz mentality...is just out there. The man was laughing it up after the fight. Just too much of a care free attitude to really be a top fighter.
A tree my ass.
Also, what does this say for Berto as a fighter? For him to get outfought by a guy like Ortiz? C'mon, :lol1: that's all I need to know about Berto on what level his on.
I stand corrected. Floyd looked like he hadn't lost a thing.
Got to me before I could get to you :lol1:
Mayweather was incredibley sharp in those 4 rounds, man.
His reflexes and timing was actually better than the Mosley fight IMO.
Ortiz wasn't that guy.
I don't care how old Floyd gets, how inactive he is, how much he has declined. A fighter as mentally weak and as inconsistent as Ortiz is, will not beat Floyd.
It will take a Pac or a Martinez or maybe in a year or two some line Khan to show the decline of Floyd...Ortiz? C'mon....What was with the hype?
He showed his mental weakness here, as for Khan ever having a shot, I doubt he'll ever be that guy. Weird night though, everyone here was stunned and speechless man.
:lol1:
I just didn't get it. Didn't get it at all.
All the hype, why? Ah well, being right never gets old I guess :D :lol1:
Floyd looked incredible in those 4 Rounds and was razor sharp.
Don't you think?
I stand corrected. Floyd looked like he hadn't lost a thing.
Ortiz wasn't that guy.
I don't care how old Floyd gets, how inactive he is, how much he has declined. A fighter as mentally weak and as inconsistent as Ortiz is, will not beat Floyd.
It will take a Pac or a Martinez or maybe in a year or two some line Khan to show the decline of Floyd...Ortiz? C'mon....What was with the hype?
:lol1:
I just didn't get it. Didn't get it at all.
All the hype, why? Ah well, being right never gets old I guess :D :lol1:
Floyd looked incredible in those 4 Rounds and was razor sharp.
Don't you think?
Ortiz wasn't that guy.
I don't care how old Floyd gets, how inactive he is, how much he has declined. A fighter as mentally weak and as inconsistent as Ortiz is, will not beat Floyd.
It will take a Pac or a Martinez or maybe in a year or two some line Khan to show the decline of Floyd...Ortiz? C'mon....What was with the hype?
The fight was decently close in all but one rd, and Ortiz was landing. I think he could have landed clean and won eventually
Ortiz landed more on May then his last two opponents combined. that was just 4 rds.
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??? What fight was you watching, Mayweather was having his way with Ortiz, Ortiz was running and going backwards while most thought it would have been Mayweather going backwards
Ortiz had 1 or 2 flurries in which the crowd was Cheering for him hitting GLOVES, Shoulders and Arms
A guy that thought he was in control and had a chance to win straight up would have never purpose thrown a Headbutt like that
something tells me Ortiz is not all that excited or interested in a Rematch...from round 1 it was obvious that he was in over his head
I think a Rematch would do even bigger numbers especially with all the Controversy and the Story Lines involved now but again I don't think Ortiz wants to do that again, the dude KNEW he couldn't beat Mayweather by the 2nd or 3rd Round
The fight was decently close in all but one rd, and Ortiz was landing. I think he could have landed clean and won eventually
Ortiz landed more on May then his last two opponents combined. that was just 4 rds.
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Didn't see that.
I had Floyd winning all the rounds.
Ortiz was taking some heavy leather.
Ortiz had a few moments.
It felt like Chavez-Mayweather.
I wouldn't be surprised if he abandons that style of fighting and adopts a style similar to Winky's.
Only Winky's style could actually be entertaining at times (even without KOs). I don't know that I've enjoyed any of Floyd's fights since the Gatti fight.
Azumah was able to compete but he also fell off and had to retire. The losses to Ruelas and Leija showed he wasn't the same fighter. He did make a spectacular comeback at 37 but the Fenech II victory (at age 33) was his last hurrah for a few years.
That's what I was referring to.
At 33-34 he could still compete. I wasn't referring to the Leija fight etc.
But that Fenech fight. Wow. Did you think Azumah would pull that off? Knowing you you probably did :lol1: