I just watched ZaVek vs Berto...

SO TRUE! Hatton does it "OH HE IS JUST TOUGH AND RUGGED"...Andre Ward and Andre Berto does it..."THEY ARE DIRTY AND CHEATERS" lol :no: I really don't understand it...well actually I do understanding, some guys are EXTREMELY BIAS TO THEIR OWN (Countryman, Race...or what ever) it is actually the same when someone fights SLICK, Andre Dirrell does it against Froch "HE IS RUNNING"...when George Groves does it against DeGales or when David Haye does it against Valuev it is "A GENIUS STRATEGY" :no: LOL. Yeah i notice it too and i understand why but i just hate getting into that whole thing.

He looks like he used his head on purpose to me...

Im not a berto fan but i agree with this somewhat. Hattons style was pure punch and clinch/wrestle and people loved him. I mean he literally wrestled tsyzu into submission and people were calling him a p4p guy. Then you have berto who does clinch more than he should but not as much as hatton and he has a better skill set but he constantly receives hate. I dont get it, i dont really care , but i dont get it. SO TRUE! Hatton does it "OH HE IS JUST TOUGH AND RUGGED"...Andre Ward and Andre Berto does it..."THEY ARE DIRTY AND CHEATERS" lol :no: I really don't understand it...well actually I do understanding, some guys are EXTREMELY BIAS TO THEIR OWN (Countryman, Race...or what ever) it is actually the same when someone fights SLICK, Andre Dirrell does it against Froch "HE IS RUNNING"...when George Groves does it against DeGales or when David Haye does it against Valuev it is "A GENIUS STRATEGY" :no:

Look Dirk Bag lets get one thing straight me unlike you am an unbias boxing fan. I am not saying that Berto is great and he did nothing wrong all I was saying is that I didnt see it. and I gave Z his props and want to see an immediate rematch cause it was a good close fight that I think could have gone either way at the point it was stopped. you talk about dik riding yet you are the one that is al brown because you have your head so far up ricky hattons az here i got something for you :bottle::bottle::bottle: You denied that any headbutts occured. Now you've been proved wrong , you resort to name calling and changing the subject. Im done here.

Something is wrong with Berto or his trainer. I can't see how you take that much time off and with proper training come back with the same exact flaws that you had and then it looks like Berto didn't even work on his flaws. Berto will done in very soon. Dude has good ability but no training.

Thank you for showing I can def see it now what gets to me is everyone complaining about it. THat right there is exactly how ricky hatton fougth but worst and all the bloody euros loved him for it. NOw that a black american does it they cry river. WTF is that? Im not a berto fan but i agree with this somewhat. Hattons style was pure punch and clinch/wrestle and people loved him. I mean he literally wrestled tsyzu into submission and people were calling him a p4p guy. Then you have berto who does clinch more than he should but not as much as hatton and he has a better skill set but he constantly receives hate. I dont get it, i dont really care , but i dont get it.

Exactly....wtf? TS has obviously bought into every word of dick sucking that HBO gave Berto on Saturday night. He also didnt see the butts which HBO refused to acknowledge. Look Dirk Bag lets get one thing straight me unlike you am an unbias boxing fan. I am not saying that Berto is great and he did nothing wrong all I was saying is that I didnt see it. and I gave Z his props and want to see an immediate rematch cause it was a good close fight that I think could have gone either way at the point it was stopped. you talk about dik riding yet you are the one that is al brown because you have your head so far up ricky hattons az here i got something for you :bottle::bottle::bottle:

Berto won, but the headbutt happened. Don't pretend it didn't. It's just not obvious from the video footage. I rewatched it many times and couldn't see it. It happened really fast and neither cameras nor REFs caught it. But the slowmotion GIFs definitely show it. http://www.shrani.si/f/Z/81/3H8Nx2KC/2/veonir.gif http://i52.tinypic.com/2v0hcgg.gif http://www.shrani.si/f/2L/LY/4sSxUS5n/screen-shot-2011-09-05-a.png Zavec wasn't complaining afterwards, because he knows it's pointless (he'd complained about a fight result before and nothing happened), and he'd just get on the bad side of Dibella ruining his chances of fighting in the US again (not that he has much to begin with). Outside of DB I don't see anybody else picking Zavec up for another fight (Collazo/Quintana maybe). It's a W for Berto, but not a good one, and a rematch would be good. Because I don't think Berto has really made any noise with this win in the highest boxing circles. Not because he won against an unknown, but because he didn't look really good either. He won the first 3 rounds, but after that he gassed, his defense went from bad to horrendous, taking a bunch of clean shots and losing round 4 and 5 if it weren't for the clash. It's amusing how Tony Morgan said, their plan was to rush Zavec full power and try to knock him out in 2 rounds, and if that didn't work then try to outbox him in the following rounds. And interestingly Zavec obviously outboxed him when they tried boxing. Funny stuff. Thank you for showing I can def see it now what gets to me is everyone complaining about it. THat right there is exactly how ricky hatton fougth but worst and all the bloody euros loved him for it. NOw that a black american does it they cry river. WTF is that?

I'm sure he didn't want to enrage Dibella with complaints.... Zavec is a humble man, bro. Nobody else quite like it. I understand Zaveck's nature but if he got head butted I see no problem in him saying in it especially if it cost him the fight cause it would gone to the cards anyway. If would had complained that he got TKOed by a cut caused by a headbutt then he would look like he would had made an excuse. To his credit he did want to continue and his corner stopped it, I felt that he could had continue cause he was starting to adjust to Berto's speed

I'm sure he didn't want to enrage Dibella with complaints.... Zavec is a humble man, bro. Nobody else quite like it. Im pretty sure its because his English was not good enough and that Kellerman/HBO completely refused to consider or ask him about headbutts.

Zaveck didn't complain about head butts. Zaveck's head was getting in also. Too bad the fight was stoppped cause it look like it was going to get interestingI'm sure he didn't want to enrage Dibella with complaints.... Zavec is a humble man, bro. Nobody else quite like it.

Zaveck didn't complain about head butts. Zaveck's head was getting in also. Too bad the fight was stoppped cause it look like it was going to get interesting

did you just compare Berto to Margarito and Gatti? da fukkkk? nikka u trippin Exactly....wtf? TS has obviously bought into every word of dick sucking that HBO gave Berto on Saturday night. He also didnt see the butts which HBO refused to acknowledge.

Ok dirk bag haha I really didn't see any headbuts occur. You guys act like Berto was purposely head butting him. I didn't even see one head but occur all I saw was a very competitive fight with alot of it taking place on the inside. Where exactly did this malicious head butts occur ? You can see them in people's sigs all over this forum. I noticed them live. Near the end of the 5th round. Berto lowers his head and comes forward. Looked deliberate to me but only Berto knows if they were.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313312_10150276762291931_57201826930_8134188_8031556_n.jpg The swelling is in the exact place where Berto headbutted Zavec.

did you just compare Berto to Margarito and Gatti? da fukkkk? nikka u tri berto makes for a good action fighter........the should have a rematch most def it was turning it a very good fight.

How stupid must you be, to deny that Berto has headbutted Zaveck? It has been proven that this is what has opened Zaveck's hematoma, so shut the hell up, if you know shizz about boxing. There are .gif and even normal pictures, proving that Berto has clashed in Zaveck's right cheek just bellow the eye. From that moment on, Zaveck was done. Nobody is saying that it was intentional, but still. This fight has ended unfairly - for Zaveck and for us, spectators. We could see a great and interesting fight, if that would of not happened.

I had Zavek winning btw. His punches did more damage & his accuracy was world class.

Hydro, you got the best sig on this sight.

Berto won, but the headbutt happened. Don't pretend it didn't. It's just not obvious from the video footage. I rewatched it many times and couldn't see it. It happened really fast and neither cameras nor REFs caught it. But the slowmotion GIFs definitely show it. http://www.shrani.si/f/Z/81/3H8Nx2KC/2/veonir.gif http://i52.tinypic.com/2v0hcgg.gif http://www.shrani.si/f/2L/LY/4sSxUS5n/screen-shot-2011-09-05-a.png Zavec wasn't complaining afterwards, because he knows it's pointless (he'd complained about a fight result before and nothing happened), and he'd just get on the bad side of Dibella ruining his chances of fighting in the US again (not that he has much to begin with). Outside of DB I don't see anybody else picking Zavec up for another fight (Collazo/Quintana maybe). It's a W for Berto, but not a good one, and a rematch would be good. Because I don't think Berto has really made any noise with this win in the highest boxing circles. Not because he won against an unknown, but because he didn't look really good either. He won the first 3 rounds, but after that he gassed, his defense went from bad to horrendous, taking a bunch of clean shots and losing round 4 and 5 if it weren't for the clash. It's amusing how Tony Morgan said, their plan was to rush Zavec full power and try to knock him out in 2 rounds, and if that didn't work then try to outbox him in the following rounds. And interestingly Zavec obviously outboxed him when they tried boxing. Funny stuff.