Sometimes the weight you start at isnt your best!!!

I agree... Id beat the **** out of the baby version of myself.

That's the thing, I feel that a lot of fighters don't know when they're pushing themselves too far, to them it's probably normal but in reality it's not. That might have been the case with Victor Ortiz here and why we saw a much more energized Victor at 147.

It all depends where you start. if you start pro boxing at 15 you will gain like 20-30lb at the very minimum by the age of 30 (If you are properly trained) If you start Pro Boxing at age 30 you will remain pretty much the same weight class. If you start amateur at 8 your weight will go from very low to very high and you will stop growing according to your gene's and muscle mass. Thats why I dont believe the Pactard BS about him juicing. Pinoy land dont have "Amateurs". Kids just start boxing, and only a retard will think that a 16 year old kid is going to remain the same weight after 14 years. Once you start fighting and aging you earn more money for food/supplements that you couldn't afford when you were just starting out. I guess only the retarded Flomo's think that a 16 year old kid starting boxing with no Amateur experience and poor broke and hungry is going to remain the same weight as he goes thru puberty and starts having money for proper food / training.

Your contention depends on how old the guy is and when he physically stopped growing. There are also many fighters who begin at higer weights and, as their bodies become more acclimatized to training and weight loss they gradually reduce the weight they fight at until an optimum weight is reached. Lots of guys began as Lt.heavy and ended up as 168 or 260 lbers' and so on. The average guy, even the fittest, carries quite a bit of weight which is useless for fighting purposes, and gets to lose it when seriously training to make a desired weight. Sorry for the slip, mean obviously, 160 lb'ers.

Well for 1, the weight you start at usually isn't your best weight because the average boxer starts lower & matures into a weight class or 2 heavier. Your contention depends on how old the guy is and when he physically stopped growing. There are also many fighters who begin at higer weights and, as their bodies become more acclimatized to training and weight loss they gradually reduce the weight they fight at until an optimum weight is reached. Lots of guys began as Lt.heavy and ended up as 168 or 260 lbers' and so on. The average guy, even the fittest, carries quite a bit of weight which is useless for fighting purposes, and gets to lose it when seriously training to make a desired weight.

I agree and even though Ortiz just recently said he never had trouble getting to 140, losing weight easily doesn't always equate with being 100% (and maybe not knowing your not). I suppose any athlete could lose weight, it's not impossible, it's a matter of, does it benefit me, when you account for body fat/muscle mass to ones bone structure. On top of that, just for basics, we all grow. It was inevitable for a young man, such as Ortiz, to move up and perhaps perform better (although he has to prove this with more fights) in a division where he may not need to rob himself of muscle mass. Experience is always good too. :boxing:

most of the time fighters drop way too much weight to be dominant in their prospected weight classes, then move up because they can't make that weight anymore, proving that they didn't belong there in the first place...... that is a common happening in boxing and all combat sports because of the 24 hours between the weigh in and the fight, it's a totally different beast with the weigh in on the same day as the fight..... 24 hour rest between weigh in and the fight allows for such gross weight dropping, which is not good and also allows fighters to fight in weigh classes they shouldn't otherwise be fighting in. now with that being said, the same adjustment goes the other way around, which is by far the harder of the two..... and that is to realize that you'd be better at a lower weight, starting off too heavy then dropping down a weight class or two, then staying there for the majority of your career... doing that is harder than moving up in weight, unless you're one of those guys that fights at his walking around weight. hopkins is the best example of this, making the adjustment, dropping down and staying there....... the key word there is STAYING there. because it's harder to keep the weight off of you when you're getting older. your muscles are more dense, your innards are always growing, your metabolism slows down, making it harder to keep weight and fat off, getting older and maintaining your weight is far harder than dropping weight far beyond what is natural for your body then to be forced to go up in weight because the body can't handle and make it anymore....... bottom line is this, there is a perfect weight class for every fighter, whether their best weight class is their natural one or a manipulated one, in either case, if the fighter can't fight he will be exposed, in any weight class.

This. Thread went well. i put this thread up because i seen alot of ppl saying that ortiz wasnt nothing at 140lbs and had to put examples up to have them see the light..that was th epoint of this thread and im glad to see the couple ppl reply and agree with weight issue

Well for 1, the weight you start at usually isn't your best weight because the average boxer starts lower & matures into a weight class or 2 heavier. This. Thread went well.

I would say Always. All boxers grow in size and skill with time.

Well for 1, the weight you start at usually isn't your best weight because the average boxer starts lower & matures into a weight class or 2 heavier.

I feel a Wlad-Arreola coming...