What Boxers Don't Lift Weights?

prime tyson didnt lift weights, hes said that and so has both teddy atlas and kevin rooney. its also widely known (or so i though) cuz d'amato was firmly against boxers lifting weights. he was lifting before his last 2-3 fights when he was too lazy to work out properly, not saying u cant train properly using weights just saying tyson wasnt. neither did prime RJJ i think, im not completely sure but i think he started lifting weights when he moved up to HW, and then he kept going afterwards even as he went down. a factor in his rapid decline perhaps? manny doesnt lift weights as part of his routine, if u say u saw a video of him doing squats i believe u but it has to have been outside of his real training. i seen an interview with ariza where he said pacquiao doesnt do weights and i think ive seen a video of roach saying none of his fighters use weights (not sure though). im not sure about hagler, i havent heard anything where he said specificly he didnt use weights. but i have seen lots of footage of him training and never seen him use any. i do know for a fact he was all about old school training, which doesnt include weights. so id say you are talking out of your ass, buddy. Oh I am, would you like video evidence would you 'buddy'? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8OzGTHlSRs = Tyson. http://www.********boxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159142 = RJJ. ''MasterFlo Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Whistler Posts: 1,570 vCash: 500 Re: roy jones jr did lift weights I don't understand why people find it so hard to believe alot of boxers were pretty avid about lifting weights. Roy Jones, Shane Mosley, Mike Tyson, David haye...'' Apology accepted 'buddy'.

Ive seen video of Oscar saying he never used weights.

Don't talk wet. RJJ lifted weights. Tyson was a huge fan of weights, do you think he build up those huge quads & that 20" neck from hitting a speed ball? Manny does, have seen videos before of him squatting. Hagler did as well. In fact didn't Hagler own his own bodybuilding gym? prime tyson didnt lift weights, hes said that and so has both teddy atlas and kevin rooney. its also widely known (or so i though) cuz d'amato was firmly against boxers lifting weights. he was lifting before his last 2-3 fights when he was too lazy to work out properly, not saying u cant train properly using weights just saying tyson wasnt. neither did prime RJJ i think, im not completely sure but i think he started lifting weights when he moved up to HW, and then he kept going afterwards even as he went down. a factor in his rapid decline perhaps? manny doesnt lift weights as part of his routine, if u say u saw a video of him doing squats i believe u but it has to have been outside of his real training. i seen an interview with ariza where he said pacquiao doesnt do weights and i think ive seen a video of roach saying none of his fighters use weights (not sure though). im not sure about hagler, i havent heard anything where he said specificly he didnt use weights. but i have seen lots of footage of him training and never seen him use any. i do know for a fact he was all about old school training, which doesnt include weights. so id say you are talking out of your ass, buddy.

the best in boxing lift weights? roy jones didn't mike tyson didn't in his prime floyd mayweather only uses dumbells and the neck weight manny pacquiao doesn't muhammad ali didn't ray robinson didn't joe frazier insisted one shouldn't touch weights marvin hagler didn't who's these "best fighters that ALL" lift weights? Don't talk wet. RJJ lifted weights. Tyson was a huge fan of weights, do you think he build up those huge quads & that 20" neck from hitting a speed ball? Manny does, have seen videos before of him squatting. Hagler did as well. In fact didn't Hagler own his own bodybuilding gym?

Joe calazaghe............i think pacquiao doesnt as well............ he uses resistance training and i cal almost guarantee, at some level at some point, ariza has him using free weight (probably small dumbbells) at some level bodybuilding and weight training are different animals bodybuilding is about adding weight each week, as you get stronger and bigger (from "building") you try and add weight at the same reps (finishing your sets with probably no more than 5-10 reps) and your body adjust to deal with it by "building" muscle really, it's breaking down and then filling in and fortifying old muscle. and thats counterproductive in boxing however, longer reps, with very little resistance, is perfect for boxing. that's what working a heavy bag is, essentially. just work out for 3 mins with whatever you're doing and then rest and you're likely doing exercises that will help an entry level person box and get into condition you cant bench or squat for 3 mins straight with heavy weight so people don't do these exercises in boxing making any sense? it's early, so perhaps it's not i'll go over anything later when i return from work if anybody wants me to clarify (i was into bodybuilding pretty seriously in college and will try and answer any questions so long as they have nothing to do with tanning or banana hammocks) most fighters at some point will shadow box with resistance small weights (a pound or two) resistance bands (surgical tubing, etc) or just wearing 16 oz gloves to add a little weight and speed your hands up when they get into 8 or 10 oz your fav fighters, however, (unless they are jeff lacy) do not "build" their bodies aesthetically (which is what 99% of the people at a regular gym//weight room are there to do) those muscles fill with blood quickly and become exhausted and stiff they limit mobility. they are build and conditioned to work for short periods and then take advantage of long periods of rest (when i was bodybuilding i'd usually take 10-20 seconds to finish a set, leaving my muscles pumped and completely fatigued. then i'd rest for a minute, the muscles would recover, and i'd lift again, at lower reps with higher weights. that is the basis of all body building.) and yes, they will reduce handspeed with tight and short punches looping ones not so much but short, straight punches will have resistance, without having any extra meaningful weight behind them (aside from the extra lbs you put on) and certainly less speed. like boxing with a winter jacket on or hockey pads :boxing: power punching is about bones and proportion of weaponry to total size when doing most exercises when i was simply lifting weights i would design my exercises / routines like this 4/5 exercises per day of basic work (the hard stuff that's doing the building") usually 4 sets each exercise id warm up first with pushups, wall pushups then your "working sets" grossest movements first (most complex, squats, cleans, bench, etc. stuff that uses many muscles at a time. these are usually your most "athletic" or naturally occurring movements. isolating muscles later in the workout and usually increasing reps late.) 15 10 10 8 and that was pretty high rep stuff lots of people will go 10 8 8 6 ad then dips or pullups till failure with weight and then without weight till failure. and then "cardio" which is BB speak for the regular physical work that happens in the real world, basketball, running, etc. real stuff. anything that gets your hear going and makes you breath hard (which bodybuilding is designed not to do so your muscles are doing the most work.) thats a bodybuilding workout. this sort of weight lifting is counterproductive for boxing just look at the nature of your workout ! you spend most of your time at the gym resting your completely spent muscles before your next set if you build muscle like that for a fight you're going to need to fight like arthur abraham, and lash out for brief periods, and then allow yourself long periods of time to recover that's not boxing.

If you're tight at the weight then building muscle mass with heavy weights is not a great idea I'd imagine. Even at heavy it would just make you slower.

Just about every boxer lifts weights & if they don't they should do. There is a lot of myths involved with weight training & boxing/martial arts such as doing weights will slow you down. This is not true, doing weights if anything can increase your speed. From sprinters - Rugby players - gymnasts - Bruce Lee - Tyson - Roy Jones, all do/did weights. The best boxers & martial artists & athletes ALL lift weights combined with a decent diet & plyometrics. It has many advantages such as increased stamina, strength, it may even help absurb a shot better - Stronger legs, thicker/stronger neck muscles. Here is an old article of Holyfields workout, not sure how accurate this is but still, it's an interesting read http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9709/hatfield.html the best in boxing lift weights? roy jones didn't mike tyson didn't in his prime floyd mayweather only uses dumbells and the neck weight manny pacquiao doesn't muhammad ali didn't ray robinson didn't joe frazier insisted one shouldn't touch weights marvin hagler didn't who's these "best fighters that ALL" lift weights?

Just about every boxer lifts weights & if they don't they should do. There is a lot of myths involved with weight training & boxing/martial arts such as doing weights will slow you down. This is not true, doing weights if anything can increase your speed. From sprinters - Rugby players - gymnasts - Bruce Lee - Tyson - Roy Jones, all do/did weights. The best boxers & martial artists & athletes ALL lift weights combined with a decent diet & plyometrics. It has many advantages such as increased stamina, strength, it may even help absurb a shot better - Stronger legs, thicker/stronger neck muscles. Here is an old article of Holyfields workout, not sure how accurate this is but still, it's an interesting read http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9709/hatfield.html

http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/strengthtraining.html Different types of weight training help benefit different things, if done properly, in the right amounts it can benefit you. Strength training alone wont make or break someone obviously, there's other things such as conditioning, pads, sparring that help you prepare best, but weights can benefit you. you can't convince me there is nothing with weights that you can't gain from pure calisthenics except with weights you have more of a risk of going wrong

yep, weights do no harm if used properly but more than not you're using it wrong when you're in boxing weights become an issue when you begin to lift unnatural amounts and expect yourself to keep your lean physique, your speed and your stamina reality is there is really no point in using weights in boxing all you need is the strenght to quickly and conescutively propel your body with perfect form and technique whilst keeping your stamina you can shadowbox with some light dumbells, or strap a weight to your head to bulk your neck up but that's about as far as one should go http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/strengthtraining.html Different types of weight training help benefit different things, if done properly, in the right amounts it can benefit you. Strength training alone wont make or break someone obviously, there's other things such as conditioning, pads, sparring that help you prepare best, but weights can benefit you.

i do light weights sometimes... always bodyweight(push ups ppull ups dips inverted pull ups handstand push ups) medicine ball stuff is bada$$

Weights play a bigger part in Boxing nowadays than people think, loads of people come up with bull**** like "it slows you down", it doesn't if you know how to use them, think about it if your doing press ups, pullups, etc. your still pushing and pulling on a weighted resistance, using weights is no different providing you use them properly, a lot of people are ignorant and just go with what some others think when reality is a lot of the stuff people come out with is bull****. As shattered glass just said, of course you don't need a ripped chest like Arnie, but at the end of the day if your doing that sort of weight training whilst Boxing then you don't know what your doing, you do weights to gain strength within your weight class, explosiveness, endurance, etc. There are different types of weight training, many different types. yep, weights do no harm if used properly but more than not you're using it wrong when you're in boxing weights become an issue when you begin to lift unnatural amounts and expect yourself to keep your lean physique, your speed and your stamina reality is there is really no point in using weights in boxing all you need is the strenght to quickly and conescutively propel your body with perfect form and technique whilst keeping your stamina you can shadowbox with some light dumbells, or strap a weight to your head to bulk your neck up but that's about as far as one should go

Right. Going back to Pascal I really think a lot of his problems are based on what he does in the gym. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just 100% of his genetic makeup, but I bet if he hooked up with a top conditioning coach he could be a totally different fighter. Maybe, who knows... regardless of whether its his genetics or not, if he had someone like Ariza it would still do him a lot of good Id of thought, you can see what he did for Khan and Pacquiao, speaks for itself.

Paul Williams, he cant afford to have ANY muscle, he doesnt do any weight training or anything that will gain him muscle. He is a 6"3 man who should be fighting at 170 but he cuts to unhealthy amounts of BF just so he can pick on 5"6 guys where he has a huge height/reach/fight night weight advantage. I wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt do pushups , just cardio non stop.

right, I agree with that. It's all about doing it correctly for your own body, which is why I think it's important for a lot of guys to have good strength/conditioning coaches so they make sure they are doing what their bodies need. Pretty much, those people definitely know what there doing, or people who've been training people long enough know what their doing so you can trust them.

The only boxer I can say for certain lifts weights is Holyfield. (He had former Mr. Olympia Lee Haney as his coach.) Other than that, I can't say who does or who doesn't; but it was definitely frowned upon in the old days. In the modern era, athletes in every sport, including boxing, have included weights in their training. Baseball players, football players (especially), even golfers lift weights. In football, a sport where speed is as important as strength, the athletes have only gotten stronger and faster. It's a myth that lifting makes you "muscle bound".

Nearly all boxers lift weights, BUT they don't lift to gain muscle. The exercises they do help them gain lean muscle, leaving them thin but strong. Exercises such as pull ups, push ups, crunches, hitting tires with sledge hammers, pushing tires such as Pavlik, etc. I remember seeing Ortiz doing some sort of workout where he has 2 weighted ropes and is moving them up and down.

Mayweather lifts weights, Ive seen video of it. I would highly doubt there are any boxers out there NOT doing some resistance training. Arnold and those body builders shun cardio, they go for body mass, in many ways a lot of those guys are just fat with well positioned muscle. If lifting weight is defined as going to the gym and doing 4 muscles, 3 sets per muscle and eating 8k calories a day and roiding up or going all arnold on it and roiding up after 4 hour insane lifting sessions...than no they probably don't do that, but if by lifting weights you mean they utilize weight and resistance in their training and do sets and reps to work out certain muscles...hell, even neck...what boxer doesnt do that?

which COULD make you end up like Jean Pascal If done too much yeah, but done properly you'll be fine, look on the website I linked you too... it will change your opinion by quite a bit. Not saying you're wrong, im saying it gives makes some really good points.

I would imagine light lifting is preferable, meaning light weights, more reps, rather than heavy lifting. I think that's obvious actually. Depends what your working on, I think light weight high rep is more muscle endurance, and high weight very low rep is like maximal strength which helps you build on explosiveness (power). http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/strengthtraining.html Little website that goes into some more detail, parts of it I don't understand well... but still backs up the point that weights in Boxing isn't as bad as people may think.