42 fighters that are ranked higher than Floyd Mayweather jr.

Mayweather may have accomplished more than Papp, but that was only, in my opinion, and not only "my", because he wasn't allowed the opportunity.Just imagine if he'd been allowed to turn pro at age 18-19, a guy who just would not let himself be beaten no matter what, who could turn it up one, two or three gears higher if he had to. Same can be said for many fighters, its not about what you could've done but what you did. I recall I saw him beat Ralph "Tiger" Jones, 3-4 KD's, he was the guy who beat Sugar Ray Robinson when he was making his comeback after his dancing career failed. Robinson went on to have many of his most memorable fights with Fullmer and Basilio from then on. In all fairness, Jones was done at that point and it was his last fight. Jones was definitely a tough man, I don't think he was ever stopped, I think his wins over both Robinson and Gavilan are overrated, Robinson lost due to inactivity he'd only fought once against a stiff since his layoff and Gavilan was done at that point. I think Jones best win was against Joey G.

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there are videos of Papp fighting as a professional, while he was European champ. http://youtu.be/tX4BWrlkDZs http://youtu.be/iStIvJruZ7c I like Papp, hes one of the most impressive amateurs ever and I love different styles like his, since he was so short for his weight. but his best wins were over guys that werent even the best 10 in their division...its a bit ridiculous to say that Papp is greater than Mayweather. Mayweather accompished so much more than him. Mayweather may have accomplished more than Papp, but that was only, in my opinion, and not only "my", because he wasn't allowed the opportunity.Just imagine if he'd been allowed to turn pro at age 18-19, a guy who just would not let himself be beaten no matter what, who could turn it up one, two or three gears higher if he had to. Did you ever read how he got started? He was sitting watching the fightoffs for the National team, and the Champion's opponent didn't turn up. They asked for volunteers, so they togged him out and he KO'd the Champion. So he was picked for his very first International fight just like that. What we see on tape is a guy who is probably 12-14 years PAST his best, but was so good that it just wasn't so noticeable. By the way, thanks for the Pro link to Papp's fights I have only been able to see him as an amateur, except in a Movietone News short. I recall I saw him beat Ralph "Tiger" Jones, 3-4 KD's, he was the guy who beat Sugar Ray Robinson when he was making his comeback after his dancing career failed. Robinson went on to have many of his most memorable fights with Fullmer and Basilio from then on.

not as incorrect as having either calzaghe or calderon ranked higher than floyd. one is just wrong. the other is merely absurd in comparison. Well, i consider the TS a troll. Burner, not so much. The ts motives are quite clear. He will spin anything to make floyd look bad or pac look good (jabs dont count).

I'm like 80% sure you have said floyd is top 20 or top 25. is that incorrect? not as incorrect as having either calzaghe or calderon ranked higher than floyd. one is just wrong. the other is merely absurd in comparison.

Calderon AND joe Calzaghe? hhhahahahaha Mayweather and Pacquiao are somewhere from 35-40. Any higher than that and youre nut hugging. I'm like 80% sure you have said floyd is top 20 or top 25. is that incorrect?

It doesn't make his resume up to par with Floyds and I'm so what Floyd would obviously put a whooping on you. He was a flyweight when he turned pro at 14 and fought no one of any remote note until he was a middleweight, so that weight jumping is not really all that impressive now is it. He won his French WW title against a bum, he won the European WW title against young Joseph whos winning record purely consists of bums, he obtained the European MW, LHW, HW titles against journeymen. Your just looking at this from face value, he didn't beat anyone notable to obtain those domestic titles, so bringing it up like its some great thing is stupid. He has good wins over Jeff Smith, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, but other than that his resume is very shallow and he was also beaten when he stepped up in class. It's clear you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Carpentier. Great he was in a film, good for him, doesn't make him a great fighter of a notable win for anyone. A past prime blown up welterweight is not a notable win, it being for the LHW title makes no difference either. Double standards much? Giving him plenty of credit for a win over Lewis yet excusing him for a loss. He shouldn't take much flack for the loss or get any real credit for beating Lewis. Okay cool depends what your definition of an ATG is but he certainly isn't great than Mayweather and its clear that you let your hate of Mayweather get in the way of giving an accurate assessment. His loss was to Dempsey at his peak, DEMPSEY whom some experts rate as the best ever Heavyweight, and he was outweighed by 20 lbs. and a lot of wear and tear. He'd also just been through a hell of a War. In fact it was because of the War that the Promoters thought it would be such a great idea to make this fight. And it turned out to be one of the biggest moneynand gates in hisory up to that time. The USLTA had the very same idea behind their invitation of Suzanne Lenglen over to the States to play a series of exhibitions to raise money for Devastated France. And a few years later Cash and Carry Pyle used this as part of his blurb to promote the first ever professional Tennis tour, right around the States and Havana too, featuring that same French girl, who'd been completely unbeatable all those years, and whom he'd persuaded to become the very first Female Tennis Pro. Until then all tennis pro's were teaching pros.

Amateur cannot be compared to pro, this is about the pros and Papp didn't prove much as a pro and nothing near what Mayweather has proved. If you looked at some of Papp's amateur fights you'd think you were looking at a pro fight of quality.

:dead::dead::dead: You seem to have had an attack of apoplexy at my comment that there was no difference between amateur and pro except for length of fights and rds. In fact in some cases the pro's were better looked after. Why?? Why not explain yourself. I didn't say we were as good as pros, But we had NO head gear, NO protective cups, NO ref protection for an 8 count, when a slightly strong punch landed, etc.. We were just not as serious about training as pros were. In a 14 fight league I was entered in, I was the only one who had a gumshield, a mouth protector. Even jockstraps were scarce. Perhaps I should have mentioned the exclusion of all the dirty tactics that Pro's used but which were completely forbidden to amateurs....?? Were you fighting then as an amateur or a pro......? I was. So why not state your reasons for your surprise, instead of your juvenile tactic?? Rather NO, don't bother, I have other things to do and am only switching in to here now and then. I mightn't even see it.

How easily you use that word "hate" it's obvious you don't know anything about the real meaning of the word. I care nothing for either Mayweather nor Pacquiao, I've written it often enough on these pages that even YOU should remember. As for my comments about Carpentier, MINE were from memory, I didn't scurry to check with Wikipedia and Boxrec as you did. I also got some information on him from Mistinguette, whom you never heard of, but everybody else did. Carpentier's quality was well known and recognised. You are talking a load of crap. He was World Lt. Heavy titleholder in case you don't "remember", until he made that mistake about Siki, real name Louis something-or-other, "Thall" I think whom you likely have never heard of also. Look it up. Incorrect, I know plenty about Siki, he was a flash in the pan. I'm unfamiliar with Mistinguette. I didn't say Carpentier was a bad fighter just greater than Floyd Mayweather. {I've also given you some little known chit-chat about guys who were famous at the time, which a boor like you doesn't even appreciate}. Fair enough, I thought you were using it to back up your point otherwise some of it was wuite interesting. And frankly, I don't give a damn if you did. I know what I know, and I know that I know it. I have more boxing in my little "toe" than you have in your whole body, but I couldn't care less. And I won't respond to your obvious attempt to pick a fight with me. Just go quietly away and bugger off like a nice little chappie. I have better things to do. Well you really haven't proved anything here but a reluctance in real debate and you have no idea of my boxing knowledge as I have no idea of your true boxing knowledge. I stated facts and broke down what I felt was a simplistic face value argument. I'm guessing its either one of two cases with you, you can't argue back or your overly sensitive, I'm going with the former.

It doesn't make his resume up to par with Floyds and I'm so what Floyd would obviously put a whooping on you. He was a flyweight when he turned pro at 14 and fought no one of any remote note until he was a middleweight, so that weight jumping is not really all that impressive now is it. He won his French WW title against a bum, he won the European WW title against young Joseph whos winning record purely consists of bums, he obtained the European MW, LHW, HW titles against journeymen. Your just looking at this from face value, he didn't beat anyone notable to obtain those domestic titles, so bringing it up like its some great thing is stupid. He has good wins over Jeff Smith, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, but other than that his resume is very shallow and he was also beaten when he stepped up in class. It's clear you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Carpentier. Great he was in a film, good for him, doesn't make him a great fighter of a notable win for anyone. A past prime blown up welterweight is not a notable win, it being for the LHW title makes no difference either. Double standards much? Giving him plenty of credit for a win over Lewis yet excusing him for a loss. He shouldn't take much flack for the loss or get any real credit for beating Lewis. Okay cool depends what your definition of an ATG is but he certainly isn't great than Mayweather and its clear that you let your hate of Mayweather get in the way of giving an accurate assessment. How easily you use that word "hate" it's obvious you don't know anything about the real meaning of the word. I care nothing for either Mayweather nor Pacquiao, I've written it often enough on these pages that even YOU should remember. As for my comments about Carpentier, MINE were from memory, I didn't scurry to check with Wikipedia and Boxrec as you did. I also got some information on him from Mistinguette, whom you never heard of, but everybody else did. Carpentier's quality was well known and recognised. You are talking a load of crap. He was World Lt. Heavy titleholder in case you don't "remember", until he made that mistake about Siki, real name Louis something-or-other, "Thall" I think whom you likely have never heard of also. Look it up. {I've also given you some little known chit-chat about guys who were famous at the time, which a boor like you doesn't even appreciate}. And frankly, I don't give a damn if you did. I know what I know, and I know that I know it. I have more boxing in my little "toe" than you have in your whole body, but I couldn't care less. And I won't respond to your obvious attempt to pick a fight with me. Just go quietly away and bugger off like a nice little chappie. I have better things to do.

Sometime in the ,I think, 1980's, Laszlo Papp was given a special award by Jose Suleiman on behalf of WBC that he was the greatest boxer, both amateur and professional of the 20th century, presumably up to the date of the Special Award. I can't help your feelings. Personally, having seen them both fight, I believe that a PRIME Papp, whom we never saw as a Pro, would tear Mayweather to pieces. He was a guy who would just NOT BE BEATEN. He was so good that the Communist Bloc Governments, of hundreds of millions of people, who had NO PROFESIONAL SPORTS, were forced to allow him at age 32, to turn Pro. The ONLY ONE . Well, he may or may not have been, but nobody in boxing had ever done what he had up until then, and was not to do it for another 20 years. You might find it instructive to read up on the history of a guy who had a 301-6 amateur record when there really was no difference between amateur and pro boxing except the length of the bouts which were a max of 6 rds, and sometimes the length of the rounds. {And these guys all worked for a living, no managers to bail them out and give them handouts}. He was outsized and outweighed often. The guy was a small welterweight, 5'5" tall fighting as a middleweight. he was smaller than me, and I was a featherweight. I didn't know his height then, only that he just about came up past my ear. Amateur cannot be compared to pro, this is about the pros and Papp didn't prove much as a pro and nothing near what Mayweather has proved.

Sometime in the ,I think, 1980's, Laszlo Papp was given a special award by Jose Suleiman on behalf of WBC that he was the greatest boxer, both amateur and professional of the 20th century, presumably up to the date of the Special Award. I can't help your feelings. Personally, having seen them both fight, I believe that a PRIME Papp, whom we never saw as a Pro, would tear Mayweather to pieces. He was a guy who would just NOT BE BEATEN. He was so good that the Communist Bloc Governments, of hundreds of millions of people, who had NO PROFESIONAL SPORTS, were forced to allow him at age 32, to turn Pro. The ONLY ONE . Well, he may or may not have been, but nobody in boxing had ever done what he had up until then, and was not to do it for another 20 years. You might find it instructive to read up on the history of a guy who had a 301-6 amateur record when there really was no difference between amateur and pro boxing except the length of the bouts which were a max of 6 rds, and sometimes the length of the rounds. {And these guys all worked for a living, no managers to bail them out and give them handouts}. He was outsized and outweighed often. The guy was a small welterweight, 5'5" tall fighting as a middleweight. he was smaller than me, and I was a featherweight. I didn't know his height then, only that he just about came up past my ear. :dead::dead::dead:

Jackie Patterson was the World flyweight champ for 5-6 years, (I sparred with him, he nearly killed me) It doesn't make his resume up to par with Floyds and I'm so what Floyd would obviously put a whooping on you. Georges Carpentier held every title of France, and I think perhaps (but not sure) of Europe (when the next step from a European title was to a World title) from, FLYWEIGHT to HEAVYWEIGHT ending up at just over middleweight avoirdupois. He was a flyweight when he turned pro at 14 and fought no one of any remote note until he was a middleweight, so that weight jumping is not really all that impressive now is it. He won his French WW title against a bum, he won the European WW title against young Joseph whos winning record purely consists of bums, he obtained the European MW, LHW, HW titles against journeymen. Your just looking at this from face value, he didn't beat anyone notable to obtain those domestic titles, so bringing it up like its some great thing is stupid. He has good wins over Jeff Smith, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, but other than that his resume is very shallow and he was also beaten when he stepped up in class. It's clear you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Carpentier. It was of Carpentier that the famous story was told about his fight with Bombardier Billy Wells the British Champ, in England. that "when the bell rang for the 1st rd, this fat man in a ringside seat dropped his programme...when he straightened up, the fight was already over. And incidentally, when you see the intro to an old British Gaumont movie where there is a man in a lionskin hitting a HUGE hanging metal gong with a club, that's Bombardier Wells. Great he was in a film, good for him, doesn't make him a great fighter of a notable win for anyone. Carpentier also KO'd ATG Ted Kid Lewis with one punch, in the 1st rd, when Lewis turned to the ref to complain. Of course Lewis was a welter and Carpentier was a heavy middle but it was for the European (or World) lt. heavy Title. A past prime blown up welterweight is not a notable win, it being for the LHW title makes no difference either. When he came over to fight Jack Dempsey, he was only 160 odd lbs and the promoters (I think it was Tex Rickard) were faking all the pictures taken together so that he would look big enough. He carried extra weight at the weigh in also. Double standards much? Giving him plenty of credit for a win over Lewis yet excusing him for a loss. He shouldn't take much flack for the loss or get any real credit for beating Lewis. No, Carpentier was one of the better ATG's in my opinion. Okay cool depends what your definition of an ATG is but he certainly isn't great than Mayweather and its clear that you let your hate of Mayweather get in the way of giving an accurate assessment.

Wait is this discussion about Papp or Stevenson and other great AM fighters being greater than Mayweather? ........................

Calderon AND joe Calzaghe? hhhahahahaha Mayweather and Pacquiao are somewhere from 35-40. Any higher than that and youre nut hugging.

Not "is"...are jus pointing that out lol :) :) Thanks, but look at your grammar and punctuation before you question someone else.

well, at least Papp had a fairly good professional career, and did beat Chris Christensen better than Griffith did. I think its clear Papp was greater than Stevenson. but you really cant call a fighter great with hypothetical wins. and Papp just never beat any ranked fighters during his pro career(although he was highly ranked for a while). I agree he should be ranked higher than Stevenson as a pro. But my point was that he was using his amateur credentials to make his point. And that's irrelevant in this discussion.

I don't have to try to answer his question because it has no answers to satisfy the spirit he asked it in. Papp was 32 when he turned pro, well past his best. He still was unbeaten, and had a Title fight signed with Joey Giardello when the Hungarian Govt made him retire to become the National Team Coach. He was fancied to win. He was 39. He did what no boxer had ever done before, won 3 successive Gold Medals, I think his final victory was against Cus D'Amato trained Jose Torres, who later beat Joey Maxim for the Lt.,Heavyweight Title. You don't want to answer the question because you know the answer. The fact of the matter is; regardless to Lazlo Papp's impressive Amateur career, it really has nothing to do with his legacy. Since when has a fighters Amatuer career had any addition to an ATG ranking? Never. Why would it? Another fact is; Papp's Professional career, which ultimately is what matters, does not even come close to Floyd Mayweather Jr's. And considering him to be greater than Mayweather Jr is drastically reaching.

The fact that you're using this for considertaion with an ATG ranking says it all. With your logic Teofilo Stevenson was an all time great heavyweight. well, at least Papp had a fairly good professional career, and did beat Chris Christensen better than Griffith did. I think its clear Papp was greater than Stevenson. but you really cant call a fighter great with hypothetical wins. and Papp just never beat any ranked fighters during his pro career(although he was highly ranked for a while).