How badly would a defeat to Ortiz affect Mayweather ATG standing.

If Mayweather were to lose to Ortiz but beat Martinez I would rank him higher than I rank him now. The problem with Floyd's record he lacks the big names on his record especially above lightweight. Losses are ok on the record but you need big wins to offset them. And it matter who beats you as well and how they beat you. http://files.sharenator.com/jesus_facepalm_facepalm_jesus_epic_demotivational_poster_1218659828_Facepalm_collection-s640x682-82175-580.jpg

IDK!! It all depends on how Ortiz does after he beats Floyd. I think if he beat manny an Khan then that saids a lot about how good Ortiz really is. But all I know is that if Ortiz does win that will change the face of boxing and Ortiz will be the next Del La Hoya overnight. Good point if Ortiz goes on to beat the likes of Pacquiao and Khan then it won't look so bad for Floyd. But if Ortiz were to lose against a Bradley then it not looking too good for Floyd.

If youre talking about current P4P rankings I could see your point. This thread is not about that though. Its about ATG and legacy. If I go by your logic then being undefeated is not overrated and is more important than anything else... If Mayweather were to lose to Ortiz but beat Martinez I would rank him higher than I rank him now. The problem with Floyd's record he lacks the big names on his record especially above lightweight. Losses are ok on the record but you need big wins to offset them. And it matter who beats you as well and how they beat you.

IDK!! It all depends on how Ortiz does after he beats Floyd. I think if he beat manny an Khan then that saids a lot about how good Ortiz really is. But all I know is that if Ortiz does win that will change the face of boxing and Ortiz will be the next Del La Hoya overnight.

Anyone that looses a fight they are expected to win will drop in the rankings. If youre talking about current P4P rankings I could see your point. This thread is not about that though. Its about ATG and legacy. If I go by your logic then being undefeated is not overrated and is more important than anything else...

Anyone that looses a fight they are expected to win will drop in the rankings. Losing a fight does not change what a fighter did before losing that fight. Floyd can lose to me by knockout two fights in a row and it wouldn't change what he's already done. I hate when people hold a loss late in a fighter's career against them as if it erases the wins they already had.

Depends on how he lost. If Ortiz clocks him and lays him out in the first, then that would affect his status somewhat but not what he's accomplished to date. Now if he lands like this on the canvas ... http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/taiwan-girl-lying-face-down-flat-on-the-streets-photos-06.jpg ... Then I'll knock him down 20 notches on the ATG list.

Don't care where he ranks, Top1 or Top100 don't matter to me. I just want to LOL at the flomos. :lol::D

What makes Pac the apex for Floyd as far as a prime warrior? So no love for an undefeated, 6 foot power puncher, with 30 ko's on his resume fighter like Diego when they fought? Just admit, Floyd has fought guys the average fan gave a legit shot at beating him. And when Floyd made it look too easy, they moved onto the next flavor of the month. There's a million and one posts in you guys history talking about how an undefeated Hatton who mauled Kotsya and possessed what you guys think is the key to beating Floyd (pressure) would run over Floyd. Now Hatton's name is brought up to discredit his resume. You guys are weird with the hate. I'm not into the hate thing... Floyd needs to fight Pac, no BS. Mayweather is a great fighter, but as a boxer, i'd like to see the best against the best. Fights i don't won't to see, are fights like Haye vs Klitschko, but who can the slow and easy to hit Klitschko can fight ? The weekest HW division of all time. I want to see Mayweather vs Pacquiao, Bute vs Ward, not Mayweather against a poor copy of Gatti.

It won't effect his ranking. Anyone that looses a fight they are expected to win will drop in the rankings.

No, that's not what i'm saying... i'm talking about fighters who can beat him by their style of boxing, like a prime Mosley. Norton and Frazier gave Ali problems, Ali had to go through a broken jaw against Norton, and he did risk is health against Frazier. Mayweather did not fight prime warriors like that. Pacquiao should be it, now that they are both in needs of money ! lol ! What makes Pac the apex for Floyd as far as a prime warrior? So no love for an undefeated, 6 foot power puncher, with 30 ko's on his resume fighter like Diego when they fought? Just admit, Floyd has fought guys the average fan gave a legit shot at beating him. And when Floyd made it look too easy, they moved onto the next flavor of the month. There's a million and one posts in you guys history talking about how an undefeated Hatton who mauled Kotsya and possessed what you guys think is the key to beating Floyd (pressure) would run over Floyd. Now Hatton's name is brought up to discredit his resume. You guys are weird with the hate.

Yes he shouldn't lose to Ortiz, but if he did then you would have to think have we all been overrated Mayweather. He would fall quite considerably unless he redeemed himself in other fights. A loss to Pacquiao he will fall but by not a lot because Pacquiao is truly a great fighter and there would be no shame in losing that fight, I would applaud Floyd for even taking the challenge. He's the only fighter from any of the 90's Olympic teams left in the game. He's raised most of the guys on here from outta their parents house into college as no worse than a top 5 P4P fighter, and a loss on the tail end of his career to a legit strong guy 10 years his junior makes his career overrated? Man you guys living in this "microwave instant gratification/results" era are crazy!

Im so surprised another Floyd thread by D4thincarnation... As for the other Floyd bashers in the thread, why do you guys have to discredit every boxer other than the one you are a "fan" of? If everyones so b level and overrated and all that other **** maybe boxing isnt the sport for you... Just saying, you should probably give it some serious though since its obviously all bull**** and you just hate. Its a tad disgusting. How about respect for the boxers. Respect for the current champ. Respect for anyone willing to step in that ring. If these guys are so ****ty and overrated and everything else you ****s say, how come I dont see you holding any belts? How come we arent buying your ppvs? If you have such a great boxing mind and skills why havent we heard of you? Why cant you even become a "paper champ" as you guys love to say..? Simple questions really. So why?

It won't effect his ranking.

can never take you seriously so long as you dont consider jabs legit.

I have around the high 40s to the early 50s at the moment, but a loss to a fighter of Victor Ortiz standard would make have drastically downgrade my opinion on Floyd. If Mayweather lost to Pacquiao, there would be no shame in losing to the greatest fighter of his generation and would maybe drop a few places. But losing to Ortiz he could well drop outside the top 100 for me. For the record I think he will beat Ortiz quite comfortably, perfect style, experience and level of talent for Floyd. Where do you rank Floyd on your ATG list and where would losses to Ortiz, Pacquiao, Martinez and Khan drop him to on your ATG list? Floyd at the moment: ATG 45-55 Floyd if he lost to Pacquiao: ATG 55-65 Floyd if he lost to Martinez: ATG 65-75 Floyd if he lost to Khan: ATG 70-80 Floyd if he lost to Ortiz ATG 95-105 You can't even name 100 fighters, let alone rank them. The only thing you can't debate is that he's been one of the greatest fighters of his generation. Everything else beyond that wouldn't be an educated opinion. You'd be spewing someone else's opinion of fighters you've never seen.

Floyds main body of work was done below 147. After that there's a lot left to be desired. And who really gives a shiit about how many weightdivisions or lineal titles he has had? What matters is who he fought and those he didnt fight because everybody knows that Baldomir was a joke. Lineal title or not. Same with JMM at WW. P4p fighter or not. Etc. I'd think that you could find 50 fighters greater than Floyd between 126 and 175. There's just so many. Thats ridiculous Nelson.

Mosley (17 months ring rust, over trained and 38) NO Hatton (a 140 guy, struggled at 147lbs, come forward face first fighter) NO Oscar (part time boxer, timing had gone just come out of retirement to fight Mayorga who makes Hatton look like Locche) NO You know and I know RRJJ destroyed some great names in boxing, Floyd just avoided them. So if he were to lose he falls much more that RJJ. Same as if Ottke would have lost to Lacy. Because Ottke had not fought anyone of great note, his ranking falls significantly, not that he is rated very high at the moment mind you. lmao look at ur excuses. u just cunted mccullum and griffen as some of roys top wins. really? mccullum was at his prime at 154, not 160. he had a close fight with toney at 160, after that he did absolutely nothing at the weight. he lost to toney in the second fight by wide decision and by the time roy ofught him he was very past it. that win is not better than any of the above mentioned wins. u bring down ricky hattion,for being a 140 fighter, but u include mccullum who fought wayyyyy north of his prime weight classs? u bring down shane mosely but u include mccullum who had achieved nothing going into the roy fight and was not even ranked highly at all and was probably even more past it than shane against a rjj that was wayyyy more prime than floyd? u include griffin on the list but what is griffin's claim to fame? he won 2 controversial decisions over james toney. the fiirst fight was close, i gave it to toney barely. the 2nd fight was arguably a robbery. griffin went on to achieve nothing else in his career besides a dq win over roy. but hes suddenly this win thats better than hatton? riiiite. better than dlh? nope. better than a p4p #3 mosely? nope. like i said, u have no idea wtf ur talking about.

even if u dont have a list, theres no way u can consider a fighter who has went undefeated in 5 different weight classes, possesses 3 lineal titles, won his first world title at 21, fought and beat a number of p4p ranked fighters and one of the greatest fighters of the new millennial not to be an atg. thats not pedestrian. thats not average, thats easily exceptional. Floyds main body of work was done below 147. After that there's a lot left to be desired. And who really gives a shiit about how many weightdivisions or lineal titles he has had? What matters is who he fought and those he didnt fight because everybody knows that Baldomir was a joke. Lineal title or not. Same with JMM at WW. P4p fighter or not. Etc. I'd think that you could find 50 fighters greater than Floyd between 126 and 175. There's just so many.

The question is about losing to Ortiz, he won't lose to him... but if he get his ass whoop by that average guy, then my point make sense. I'm not the one making this thread, i'm only trying to answer a question that has less than 1% chance of happening. :beerchug: Yes he shouldn't lose to Ortiz, but if he did then you would have to think have we all been overrated Mayweather. He would fall quite considerably unless he redeemed himself in other fights. A loss to Pacquiao he will fall but by not a lot because Pacquiao is truly a great fighter and there would be no shame in losing that fight, I would applaud Floyd for even taking the challenge.