Was Pacquiao a Great Fighter Before 25?

Its not 25, its after he fought JMM the last time when Emanuel Steward said he looked like a shot fighter, then moves up to fight Diaz and looks like a total different fighter. Rarely, if ever, do fighters bring speed up or increase it along with gained strength. Alex Ariza coming on board had something to do with it? Protein shakes? lol I could buy it except for his reluctance or refusal to take any random testing. If you are clean, don't make lies up about afraid of needles when you have tatoos, and interupts your training and crap like that. Pac and Roach have been caught in enough lies to make them look like idiots. Maybe they are. Certainly you are a retard flomo who has no other logical explation why a fighter is greater than the other except he must be on PED. While Pac was accused on PED but Floyd did not was amusing. Everybody knows both started boxing at the age of 16 and now both currently fighting at welterweight. Pac brought along his speed but not his power otherwise he should be abled to ko Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley but obviously he didn't and so did Mayweather brought along his speed at welterweight. You flomos like to twist the facts in favor of Floyd. Pac agreed to the test and only negotiated for cut days but the coward wanted Pac to be tested the day of the fight while his test against Mosley ended 19 days before their fight.

Its not 25, its after he fought JMM the last time when Emanuel Steward said he looked like a shot fighter, then moves up to fight Diaz and looks like a total different fighter. Rarely, if ever, do fighters bring speed up or increase it along with gained strength. Alex Ariza coming on board had something to do with it? Protein shakes? lol I could buy it except for his reluctance or refusal to take any random testing. If you are clean, don't make lies up about afraid of needles when you have tatoos, and interupts your training and crap like that. Pac and Roach have been caught in enough lies to make them look like idiots. Maybe they are.

These are no mere belts. These are lineal titles againts the very best of the division. These 3 fighters were the best of their division at the time. there is no argument here plus Barrera and Sasakul were the Lineal Champions. 112 - Sasakul 122 - Ledwabba 126 - Barrera Flomos failed to realize Pac was greater than Floyd before 25 and more so after 25.

Be careful there are many of your comrades that think being the champ is ****. That you are still garbage even if you win the belt... These are no mere belts. These are lineal titles againts the very best of the division. These 3 fighters were the best of their division at the time. there is no argument here plus Barrera and Sasakul were the Lineal Champions. 112 - Sasakul 122 - Ledwabba 126 - Barrera

At age 24 2 Lineal Titles 112 and 126 1 Title claimed againts the best in the the division 122 so Basically 3 Division Champion. Yeah that's a great fighter.

just google "Pacquiao amateur" and the info appears on numerous boxing sites. FAIL :nutkick: Pac never been a part of national team. He was fighting in towns and village festivals for a living when he was a kid. When he grew big enough (13-14yr) he went to Manila and worked some odds jobs like selling cigarittes in the street. Started pro as early at 15-16.

He was only a 2 time World Champ before the age of 25. He sucks balls. Be careful there are many of your comrades that think being the champ is ****. That you are still garbage even if you win the belt...

he was a good fighter back then, now he is great also his style evolved since then..now i see him as a boxer-puncher

just google "Pacquiao amateur" and the info appears on numerous boxing sites. I think the general point though is he didn't have a decorated amateur career, and turned pro at a very young age. He didn't fight in a world championships, olympic games, or the junior versions of either.

Part of National Team? Where did you get that info?:ugh: FAIL :nutkick:

Yes Pacquiao was a great fighter before he was 25. Now he is an ATG, one of the greatest of all time.

Pacquiao had a 60-4 amateur record before turning Pro at 16...he was part of the National Amateur Team and was provided room and board by them... Part of National Team? Where did you get that info?:ugh:

Based on Mayweather's comments---he thinks Pacquiao was considered "Great" during his fights with Morales and onward...what are u thoughts? Pacquiao accomplishment before 25 is greater than Floyd accomplishment before 25. Take note, Pacquiao started from nothing while Floyd had a great amateur career with his uncle and father in side since he was a little kid.

He was already a world class fighter when Roach got him, he was a world class, dynamic slugger. He has evolved into a great all round fighter. Not every fighter peaks at the same time, or matures at the same time, Pacquiao didn't have a decorated amateur career, or proper coaching that you would get in other countries as a youth boxer. He is god gifted, but has had to learn his craft on the job, mayweather was already a top fighter when he went pro, but not all top professionals have that same path to glory, manny is not the first guy. Lets not forget Bernard Hopkins lost his first professional fight, and Johnny Nelson lost his first 4 pro fights, both went on to become world champions, and had great careers relatively speaking of course. I have to be honest...I am not sold either way on the Pacquiao PED issue, I am genuinely unsure. But what I can say is Mayweather's comments are the type of comment made by a narrow minded fool. Nothing more, nothing less. He is ignoring too many facts just to throw a statement like that out there, but I have come to expect his kind of idiocy from a Mayweather. If you think the guy is juicing...fair enough, but to say that Manny has gone from some kind of average fighter, to an unstoppable whirl wind is ludicrous. He has always been a whirl wind, now he has way better technique, and throws more skillful punches, and is less wild. I am sorry but PED's don't do that. Is it surprising that he has carried the power and speed...absolutely, I guess that is the big point of argument, but it would be so disrespectful to not give Roach and Manny the credit they deserve, power and speed aside the guy is a much better fighter now. great post.

He was already a world class fighter when Roach got him, he was a world class, dynamic slugger. He has evolved into a great all round fighter. Not every fighter peaks at the same time, or matures at the same time, Pacquiao didn't have a decorated amateur career, or proper coaching that you would get in other countries as a youth boxer. He is god gifted, but has had to learn his craft on the job, mayweather was already a top fighter when he went pro, but not all top professionals have that same path to glory, manny is not the first guy. Lets not forget Bernard Hopkins lost his first professional fight, and Johnny Nelson lost his first 4 pro fights, both went on to become world champions, and had great careers relatively speaking of course. I have to be honest...I am not sold either way on the Pacquiao PED issue, I am genuinely unsure. But what I can say is Mayweather's comments are the type of comment made by a narrow minded fool. Nothing more, nothing less. He is ignoring too many facts just to throw a statement like that out there, but I have come to expect his kind of idiocy from a Mayweather. If you think the guy is juicing...fair enough, but to say that Manny has gone from some kind of average fighter, to an unstoppable whirl wind is ludicrous. He has always been a whirl wind, now he has way better technique, and throws more skillful punches, and is less wild. I am sorry but PED's don't do that. Is it surprising that he has carried the power and speed...absolutely, I guess that is the big point of argument, but it would be so disrespectful to not give Roach and Manny the credit they deserve, power and speed aside the guy is a much better fighter now.

Based on Mayweather's comments---he thinks Pacquiao was considered "Great" during his fights with Morales and onward...what are u thoughts? Pac was a WBC champ and lineal champ at the age of 19, a 3 divisions champ and 2 divisions lineal champ at the age of 24! Amazing! Not to mention, he already went through 5 weight classes. Floyd saying Pacquaio was not great before the Morales fight was a pure jealousy.

He was a good fighter when I first saw him live in 2001. He still has the same linear style that he had back then. He just has a few more weapons in his arsenal now.

Pacquiao was a world champion by the time Roach met him.