Floyd has two losses as a pro

First, Floyd lost to Jose Louis Castilo. He lost. It's okay to say it. If anyone truly doubts the loss, go watch 'the Floyd Mayweather Decepiton' on youtube by Bruce Blitz. The man does a detailed and thorough job and takes about an hour to really break the fight down. If you remain unconvinced Second, when uncle Roger (or, "un-ka Ra-ja") jumped into the ring in the Judah fight, Floyd should've been DQed. Why don't standard rules apply to Floyd? Is the precedent now set that a fighter's corner can enter the ring and begin fighting after a low blow? Not a chance. Not a chance. There is no sub-text in the rules that reads like 'well, I guess a fighters corner could enter the ring and throw a few punches if, and only if, their boy gets hurt in the jewels too hard- then it won't be a DQ'. Not on your life Flomos. So, Floyd has two losses. So what? He's still the same incredible fighter. He's still a big dog- the top dog if he beats Manny. All the two losses mean is that Floyd can't talk anymore about how great he is because he has an undefeated record. He can't say anymore that he's better than Robinson, Ali, Lenoard, Hagler, Pacquiao, etc. simply because he doesn't have a loss and they do. If you don't have a lose in boxing, it doesn't mean you're an all time great. It more likely means that you didn't fight the best guys out there.

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Specialist6

Whether he lost those two fight or not, he still has a fake fabricated undefeated record. The guy has cherry picked through his entire career. And you know even he knows it when you see him fighting Ortiz now trying to save his legacy and change his reputation. He will always be known as chicken Floyd though. :nonono: we need more mental institutions

14y ago

Barry_Halls

"Really a different sport".....I would not go that far. But they certainly are very different. Like you, I have no concern about Pacquiao's losses at 17 and 19 years of age. Of course Floyd uses them in the mental aspect. (Or does he say it more to build himself up...kind of like a David Haye) Regardless, Floyd uses the same justification to proclaim himself greater than Robinson for the very reason that Robinson has losses. You can't deny that that type of bombast has lost Floyd a lot of support. different rules, headgear, different scoring, match lengths(could be sorted under rules, fine), mostly vastly different strategies and styles. yeah, i don't think its a stretch to say they're different sports.

14y ago

William_Blake

in a different sport. Thats the key here. Because it really is a different sport. It's almost like comparing softball to baseball. I don't think Mannys legacy is hurt by having early losses. As a matter of fact, i hardly even think about them. But to expect floyd to not use it as mental warfare and promotion, thats insanely naive. "Really a different sport".....I would not go that far. But they certainly are very different. Like you, I have no concern about Pacquiao's losses at 17 and 19 years of age. Of course Floyd uses them in the mental aspect. (Or does he say it more to build himself up...kind of like a David Haye) Regardless, Floyd uses the same justification to proclaim himself greater than Robinson for the very reason that Robinson has losses. You can't deny that that type of bombast has lost Floyd a lot of support.

14y ago

Barry_Halls

Actually threadstarter. I'll help you out on this one. Now you only need to find the fight footage! Go on a scavenger hunt! Who knows. Maybe hes even a south paw?!

14y ago

Las_Vegas

What fight did Floyd win? Floyd lost in his teens, that's well established. Of course it was amatuer, etc....but he did lose in his teens. That's all. Lol. It's better off just saying "I've never seen any of Floyd's amateur fights" and be done with it.

14y ago

jrosales13

What fight did Floyd win? Floyd lost in his teens, that's well established. Of course it was amatuer, etc....but he did lose in his teens. That's all. When he got the bronze medal in the Olympics. He should have been the rightful winner no?

14y ago

Barry_Halls

What fight did Floyd win? Floyd lost in his teens, that's well established. Of course it was amatuer, etc....but he did lose in his teens. That's all. so now you flipflop on your logic? You said jlc was robbed (lol btw) and therefore we should count that as a loss for floyd. but when floyds "robbed", he don't get that victory? maybe you should find other amateurfights that floyd lost legit (he did lose more am fights), to make your weird case look more credible.

14y ago

William_Blake

But, Floyd actually won that fight no? Going by your logic that is. What fight did Floyd win? Floyd lost in his teens, that's well established. Of course it was amatuer, etc....but he did lose in his teens. That's all.

14y ago

Barry_Halls

Of course amateur boxing is far, far different. Of course it is. The point I was trying to make was that Floyd and Manny lost fights at the same age. Now, being knocked cross-eyed in the ring as a pro is a world away from being outpointed with huge gloves and headgear. No question. Yet, at the same time, Floyd shouldn't make such a big deal of never losing and Manny having early losses, since those loses occurred at exactly the same age that Floyd took losses. in a different sport. Thats the key here. Because it really is a different sport. It's almost like comparing softball to baseball. I don't think Mannys legacy is hurt by having early losses. As a matter of fact, i hardly even think about them. But to expect floyd to not use it as mental warfare and promotion, thats insanely naive.

14y ago

William_Blake

But, the majority of press row had JMM beating Pac the 2nd time. Agreed. Lots of people had Marquez winning. This fight was paper thin and the official scoring reflected that.

14y ago

William_Blake

Why are you so bothered by what mayweather thinks about his record? Does it really effect you that much when he talks crap? If you think he lost the JLC fight then ok. The fact that it seems to bother you so much emotionally that Floyd talks about HIS undefeated record is sad. It doesn't bother me. At the same time, he would be a lot better if he wasn't such a douche regarding his record. There are ways to take shots at it, and I did. Undercutting his justification for grandstanding is time well spend in my view.

14y ago

jrosales13

14y ago

Code_Red

Fantasy losses hunh.....sad

14y ago

William_Blake

Officially, yes. Myself, I've scored it for floyd and I've scored it for castillo. I think it was a really close fight. Same thing with Clottey vs Cotto. They did it again, and got a more definitive answer out of it so I'm content with that. I have no opinion on this. I'm happy he wasn't. Thats 2 losses in YOUR mind, just like people have scored the jmm fights for marquez. But thats not 2 losses for pac, It's a draw and a win. Case closed. Amateur boxing IS A DIFFERENT sport. The two pro-losses you account for is just in your imagination and not in reality. Theres a difference, please realize that. Of course amateur boxing is far, far different. Of course it is. The point I was trying to make was that Floyd and Manny lost fights at the same age. Now, being knocked cross-eyed in the ring as a pro is a world away from being outpointed with huge gloves and headgear. No question. Yet, at the same time, Floyd shouldn't make such a big deal of never losing and Manny having early losses, since those loses occurred at exactly the same age that Floyd took losses.

14y ago

jrosales13

I admitted a mistake. You shouldn't hurl mud elsewhere. I've watched the JLC fight a few times- always start to finish. And Floyd lost. That's all I've said. He lost. He wasn't destroyed nor knocked down a bunch. Merely, Floyd lost a title fight as a professional. Does that mean he's any less of a fighter today? Of course not. The rematch- all credit to Floyd. He agreed with the requests for a rematch and won another tough fight. To me, that showed courage. Point is, postives can come out of losses and Floyd should carry on such grandstanding on the basis of his "undefeated record". That's all. Don't you agree that Floyd would be better for it? fact is he didn't lose. He won. Again he has an "0" in the loss column. Unless you insinuated that JLC was robbed. And, if that's the case then it will just prove that you did not watch that fight as you claim. And, are just going by word of mouth. It's one thing to think one fighter won a fight in a close fight that went the other way where either guy had a case of winning it. And, it's another thing to think a fight is a robbery. No need to put undefeated record in quotations. Since it's a fact that he's undefeated. You put stuff like fast southpaw in quotations since it's a fact that he wasn't a fast southpaw.

14y ago

Barry_Halls

I admitted a mistake. You shouldn't hurl mud elsewhere. No, you've exposed yourself as having opinions on things you don't know jack**** about. How can we trust you to have even watched JLC vs floyd? After all, you stated false things about a fight you hadn't even seen. And that is quite bad for your future credibility.

14y ago

Rip_Chudd

I admitted a mistake. You shouldn't hurl mud elsewhere. I've watched the JLC fight a few times- always start to finish. And Floyd lost. That's all I've said. He lost. He wasn't destroyed nor knocked down a bunch. Merely, Floyd lost a title fight as a professional. Does that mean he's any less of a fighter today? Of course not. The rematch- all credit to Floyd. He agreed with the requests for a rematch and won another tough fight. To me, that showed courage. Point is, postives can come out of losses and Floyd should carry on such grandstanding on the basis of his "undefeated record". That's all. Don't you agree that Floyd would be better for it? Why are you so bothered by what mayweather thinks about his record? Does it really effect you that much when he talks crap? If you think he lost the JLC fight then ok. The fact that it seems to bother you so much emotionally that Floyd talks about HIS undefeated record is sad.

14y ago

William_Blake

LOL @ at the last sentence....The only one trolling here is you sir. I am following a thread I created. This is trolling in your book?

14y ago

Barry_Halls

Did Floyd beat JLC? Officially, yes. Myself, I've scored it for floyd and I've scored it for castillo. I think it was a really close fight. Same thing with Clottey vs Cotto. They did it again, and got a more definitive answer out of it so I'm content with that. Should Floyd have been DQed when his corner jumped in vs Judah? I have no opinion on this. I'm happy he wasn't. That's two losses. Call them irrelevent, etc. it doesn't matter. The mere fact that Floyd has losses undercuts his ability to belittle fighters who do have loses. This would make him more appealing. Why is this irrational? Where doesn't A lead to B? Ridiculous? Go troll another thread. Thats 2 losses in YOUR mind, just like people have scored the jmm fights for marquez. But thats not 2 losses for pac, It's a draw and a win. Case closed. Amateur boxing IS A DIFFERENT sport. The two pro-losses you account for is just in your imagination and not in reality. Theres a difference, please realize that.

14y ago

Las_Vegas

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14y ago