10-8 or 10-9

They always expect that there will be some complaint, the judges the ref, the size of the ring, the slackness of the ropes, something. The complaint has to be VERY COMPELLING, to cause any change in the scoring. My understanding is that the only time a change can be made in the scoring is if the judge INCORRECTLY added up the figures. An example of this was when Stevie Johnson fought Castillo to regain his title, and was given the verdict. They found that the sddition was incorrect, making the fight a DRAW instead of a narrow win for Johnson. The first Castillo knew about it was when Johnson came to his dressing room and handed him over the belt. A poignant moment I'd bet......... My further understanding is that a KD means an AUTOMATIC point deduction. With NO exceptions unless it can be shown to have been aided by a foul or accident such as a slip. It not an automatic point deduction otherwise when you have each fighter that score a KD the round would be 9-9 or 9-8, which it isn't.

A knockdown is not an automatic point dedection, in most cases the fighter scoring the KD is in controll it is scored a 10-8. It is a 10 point must system, so if Pacquiao edges the round it will be 10-9 in Mosley favour, if Pacquiao dominates the round it is 10-9 for Pacquiao. Why do you think they have been no official complaints about the judges if they did not do their job properly? Your posts are usually matter of fact, concise, to the point, and accurate. And respect them, always and like reading them. But this time I think you are not correct.

A knockdown is not an automatic point dedection, in most cases the fighter scoring the KD is in controll it is scored a 10-8. It is a 10 point must system, so if Pacquiao edges the round it will be 10-9 in Mosley favour, if Pacquiao dominates the round it is 10-9 for Pacquiao. Why do you think they have been no official complaints about the judges if they did not do their job properly? They always expect that there will be some complaint, the judges the ref, the size of the ring, the slackness of the ropes, something. The complaint has to be VERY COMPELLING, to cause any change in the scoring. My understanding is that the only time a change can be made in the scoring is if the judge INCORRECTLY added up the figures. An example of this was when Stevie Johnson fought Castillo to regain his title, and was given the verdict. They found that the sddition was incorrect, making the fight a DRAW instead of a narrow win for Johnson. The first Castillo knew about it was when Johnson came to his dressing room and handed him over the belt. A poignant moment I'd bet......... My further understanding is that a KD means an AUTOMATIC point deduction. With NO exceptions unless it can be shown to have been aided by a foul or accident such as a slip.

You know, this has become a tricky point. but the facts are CLEAR. At least they should be. No matter how much a guy is dominating a round he does not get ADDED points for dominating. His opponent LOSES points. So if MannyP is DOMINATIN a rd and suffers ; say. a flash KD, he LOSES a point for that, so the MOST he can get in that rd is 9. If the Judges gave him a 10 that means that they totally IGNORED the ref's call as being clearly incorrect. This itself is actually illegal, as, regardless of the opinions of the judges, the refs call is FINAL, unless he reverses himself. And, I believe, that he can do so only in certain cases. It is up to the Commisiion to reverse, and they RARELY go against a ref's call. That's why, instead of making this recent fight where Russell Mora did such a bad refereeing job, a NO CONTEST, as it should have been, they instead ordered a rematch. Here is a famous, typical case of a Commission not going against a ref's call. In the Tyson Douglas fight, Tyson KD'd Douglas in, I think, the 8th rd. The referees count was so agonisingly slow that it came to at minimum, (and I've timed it sevberal times) of 14 seconds. So actually Tyson won that fight by a K.O. However the fight went on and Tyson was KO'd 2 rds later. Don King kicked up a HUGE fuss about this slow count, and appealed to the Commission. They turned him down, whilst admitting that the count was slow, saying that the count doesn't go by the timekeeper but by the referee's count. The fighter has to beat the ref's count not the watch. The judges did not ignore Bayless's call, Pacquiao just dominated the round before and after the KD.

!!!!! I love you edgar! :lol1: HEY THERE....calm down....... I'd rather you just "liked" me..... As it happens I like you too, I recall the many past interesting posts about boxing we exchanged. By the way, I always had a liking for Chris Christensen, brave as a lion, and although only a skinny welterweight, would fight middleweight at the drop of a hat. As I was an admirer of Papp, he figured prominently at that time. My dear late brother's brother-in-law had married a Danish girl and I once had a Danish girl friend of whom I still have fond memories, not to mention a great interest in the Vikings and a very old copy of the Viking Sagas which I read often, I've always been interested in Denmark. And particularly since they saved the whole Jewish population in the war. And I was very much into tennis and marvelled at the Scandanavian royal families' tennis prominence at such advanced ages, etc. A lot of things.

truth hurts Here's what hurts, you are post banned until the admin bans you permanantly. Everyone else, drop the subject immediately and don't respond to any previous posts about this subject. All posts have been deleted.

watch the real liar show when you mention their precious stolen land lie all you want terrorism and suicide bombings were started by the jewish squatters palestinans were willing to accept the bits left over- except- Israel decided even that was too m uch- and now daily bulldoze palestinan land and destroy houses the holohoax is always the nice "story" to go to for the media- just in case anyone asks what the **** are those psychopaths doing daily to children anyone who questions is instantly called an antisemite for the record i haven't insulted jews- i've insulted land grabbers and 6 million hoax makers truth hurts Have you ever been to Auswitz?

You know, this has become a tricky point. but the facts are CLEAR. At least they should be. No matter how much a guy is dominating a round he does not get ADDED points for dominating. His opponent LOSES points. So if MannyP is DOMINATIN a rd and suffers ; say. a flash KD, he LOSES a point for that, so the MOST he can get in that rd is 9. If the Judges gave him a 10 that means that they totally IGNORED the ref's call as being clearly incorrect. This itself is actually illegal, as, regardless of the opinions of the judges, the refs call is FINAL, unless he reverses himself. And, I believe, that he can do so only in certain cases. It is up to the Commisiion to reverse, and they RARELY go against a ref's call. That's why, instead of making this recent fight where Russell Mora did such a bad refereeing job, a NO CONTEST, as it should have been, they instead ordered a rematch. Here is a famous, typical case of a Commission not going against a ref's call. In the Tyson Douglas fight, Tyson KD'd Douglas in, I think, the 8th rd. The referees count was so agonisingly slow that it came to at minimum, (and I've timed it sevberal times) of 14 seconds. So actually Tyson won that fight by a K.O. However the fight went on and Tyson was KO'd 2 rds later. Don King kicked up a HUGE fuss about this slow count, and appealed to the Commission. They turned him down, whilst admitting that the count was slow, saying that the count doesn't go by the timekeeper but by the referee's count. A knockdown is not an automatic point dedection, in most cases the fighter scoring the KD is in controll it is scored a 10-8. It is a 10 point must system, so if Pacquiao edges the round it will be 10-9 in Mosley favour, if Pacquiao dominates the round it is 10-9 for Pacquiao. Why do you think they have been no official complaints about the judges if they did not do their job properly?

It can happen and it did in Pacquiao vs Mosley. Pacquiao dominating the round before and after the so called flash KD. Before the KD Pacquiao was dominating, winning the round, 10-9, then the KD happened, so at that point the judges would have had it 10-9 Mosley, but then Pacquiao goes on to dominate the round still so it became a 10-9 for Pacquiao. You know, this has become a tricky point. but the facts are CLEAR. At least they should be. No matter how much a guy is dominating a round he does not get ADDED points for dominating. His opponent LOSES points. So if MannyP is DOMINATIN a rd and suffers ; say. a flash KD, he LOSES a point for that, so the MOST he can get in that rd is 9. If the Judges gave him a 10 that means that they totally IGNORED the ref's call as being clearly incorrect. This itself is actually illegal, as, regardless of the opinions of the judges, the refs call is FINAL, unless he reverses himself. And, I believe, that he can do so only in certain cases. It is up to the Commisiion to reverse, and they RARELY go against a ref's call. That's why, instead of making this recent fight where Russell Mora did such a bad refereeing job, a NO CONTEST, as it should have been, they instead ordered a rematch. Here is a famous, typical case of a Commission not going against a ref's call. In the Tyson Douglas fight, Tyson KD'd Douglas in, I think, the 8th rd. The referees count was so agonisingly slow that it came to at minimum, (and I've timed it sevberal times) of 14 seconds. So actually Tyson won that fight by a K.O. However the fight went on and Tyson was KO'd 2 rds later. Don King kicked up a HUGE fuss about this slow count, and appealed to the Commission. They turned him down, whilst admitting that the count was slow, saying that the count doesn't go by the timekeeper but by the referee's count.

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/index.html 4. The present Jewish curator of Auschwitz, Franciszek Piper, has admitted publicly that the number of Jews supposedly killed at Auschwitz, was highly inflated. Since this revelation appeared in his book, the plaque at Auschwitz has been changed, DECREASING BY ALMOST 3 MILLION, the number of Jews supposedly killed at Auschwitz during World War II. This Truth, coming from the Auschwitz Camp curator himself, is reaching the general population causing increasing investigation into these crucial events. This decrease of almost 3 million, straight from the mouth of the Auschwitz Camp Curator, should reduce by HALF, the total of 6 million supposedly killed in the Holocaust. We should no longer hear about the 6 million. If any number is used by the Jews, it should be 3 million. But, no, their figures never change! 6 million is still the number trumpeted around the world! 3 million is still a lot of people, and yes, the Holocaust happened.

go figure ive been watcing boxing 25 years and i never knew it had to be 10 for one guyAre you sure about that? Castillo vs Mayweather the biggest robbery in history L.O.L . How many stupid things haven't you said on this forum. You discuss fights you haven't seen as if you seen them. You are a phony. A pretender. No serious Boxing fan for over 25 years can not know about the 10 point must system. How the f ukk did you score fights if you didn't know about it for "25" years. Fu kking liar. Yeah red K me. Someone had to call you out on your Bull ish

You are not only a liar, but you are also an ignorant AntiSemite, for which there is no cure. Not a single thing you have said is even remotely true. The RECORDS are all there. The vast majority, reckoned to be about 85-90% of the Arabs who were in Israel in 1949 had come into the country by walking across the Jordan with a few goats and a tent, in the early 20th century when the Jews and British, with their newly awarded Mandate were building and creating jobs. Arabs came from as far away as the Gulf States. But the majority were from Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The total amount of Arabs in the whole country was around 600,000, of which approximately 450,000 scrammed because they had been ordered to do so by the Governments of the invading Arab Armies. Get out of the way, they said so that we can kill all the Jews and then you can come back, and takew what was theirs. Well...it didn't work that way. A well known Arab journalist in Lebanon wrote ..."They told us to get out so that we can come back in...we got out, but we were not able to come back in..." Te UNWRA qualification for "refugee" status was to have been in the country for 1 year........... I've seen with my own eyes, HUGE barter going on with forged birth certificates and residency cards, in Arab stores where they were also OPENLY SELLING enormous stacks of UNWRA staple foods donated FREE by the world wide useful idiots who believe every lie that the Arabs tell. And they haven't told the truth yet, except the one where they hate and will kill all the Jews. Everything is documented by OFFICIAL departments, and the recent USA census taken of the REAL population figures in Gaza and Samaria and Judah, turned out that the Arabs had been "ESTIMATING" since 1996, and had OVERESTIMATED by nearly 100%. no one had ever died, and estimates of births were about 11 children to a family. So they immediately lost over 2 million who never existed. Yassar Arafat's brother was I ask the Publishets of Boxing Scene to keep this a DECENT site. You filthy liar.."5 million Arab families" likely means 50 million people. And nobody ever dies in an Arab family, that is, if they are getting free food and everything else. The Israel Arab "so-called refugees" get about 6 times the amount per capita of "relief" aid that the next highest aid victims get.And they are living fat on it. What about Somalia and Sudan and places where there are people who really NEED that "aid" most of which likely goes into peoples pockets. This Arab"rewfugee" schmuckle is so well known all over the world that it is expected that where you hear the word "Arab" you immediately think "corruption, lies".... The US Senate and Congress at this VEY minute are discussing that their hard earned money which they donate so lavishly to the Arab infiltrator squatters in Israel, is being used to pay convicted terrorists sitting in Israeli gaols for the rest of their lives, up to $3600 a month. The worse the crime, and the longer the sentence, the more the "salary". These people set off bombs in schools, restaurants, buses, etc. slaughtering dozens of innocents.

10-9 A perfect example of this is Pacquiao-Cotto. Pac scored a knockdown in round 3, but lost the round and it was scored 10-9 for Pac, even by HBO.

Can you tell me what the scoring of the round was? Link by chance? And I would have to rewatch the round again to see why it was scored that way. Heh, I saw this sorry-ass fight on PPV and have forgotten almost every second of it.

You are not only a liar, but you are also an ignorant AntiSemite, for which there is no cure. Not a single thing you have said is even remotely true. The RECORDS are all there. The vast majority, reckoned to be about 85-90% of the Arabs who were in Israel in 1949 had come into the country by walking across the Jordan with a few goats and a tent, in the early 20th century when the Jews and British, with their newly awarded Mandate were building and creating jobs. Arabs came from as far away as the Gulf States. But the majority were from Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The total amount of Arabs in the whole country was around 600,000, of which approximately 450,000 scrammed because they had been ordered to do so by the Governments of the invading Arab Armies. Get out of the way, they said so that we can kill all the Jews and then you can come back, and takew what was theirs. Well...it didn't work that way. A well known Arab journalist in Lebanon wrote ..."They told us to get out so that we can come back in...we got out, but we were not able to come back in..." Te UNWRA qualification for "refugee" status was to have been in the country for 1 year........... I've seen with my own eyes, HUGE barter going on with forged birth certificates and residency cards, in Arab stores where they were also OPENLY SELLING enormous stacks of UNWRA staple foods donated FREE by the world wide useful idiots who believe every lie that the Arabs tell. And they haven't told the truth yet, except the one where they hate and will kill all the Jews. Everything is documented by OFFICIAL departments, and the recent USA census taken of the REAL population figures in Gaza and Samaria and Judah, turned out that the Arabs had been "ESTIMATING" since 1996, and had OVERESTIMATED by nearly 100%. no one had ever died, and estimates of births were about 11 children to a family. So they immediately lost over 2 million who never existed. Yassar Arafat's brother was I ask the Publishets of Boxing Scene to keep this a DECENT site. A computer glitch. Yasser Arafat's brother was the Arab Census head.

This was what I read on Boxingscene that the Judges concerned said. I know that what you say is technically true, and have seen other evidence of it in past fights, but in this particular fight, what other explanation can you give for the scoring? I recall a Mayweather fight, in which he hurt his hand with a punch, and dropped it shaking it, accidentally touching the canvas in the process, and it was given as a KD against him. Can you tell me what the scoring of the round was? Link by chance? And I would have to rewatch the round again to see why it was scored that way. Heh, I saw this sorry-ass fight on PPV and have forgotten almost every second of it.

what about the palestinians. what about 5 million palestinian families WHEN THE HOLOCAUST LIE FORCED THEM OUT OF THEIR HOMES and cut the act, you're probably a mossad agent who enjoys murdering children like the rest You are not only a liar, but you are also an ignorant AntiSemite, for which there is no cure. Not a single thing you have said is even remotely true. The RECORDS are all there. The vast majority, reckoned to be about 85-90% of the Arabs who were in Israel in 1949 had come into the country by walking across the Jordan with a few goats and a tent, in the early 20th century when the Jews and British, with their newly awarded Mandate were building and creating jobs. Arabs came from as far away as the Gulf States. But the majority were from Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The total amount of Arabs in the whole country was around 600,000, of which approximately 450,000 scrammed because they had been ordered to do so by the Governments of the invading Arab Armies. Get out of the way, they said so that we can kill all the Jews and then you can come back, and takew what was theirs. Well...it didn't work that way. A well known Arab journalist in Lebanon wrote ..."They told us to get out so that we can come back in...we got out, but we were not able to come back in..." Te UNWRA qualification for "refugee" status was to have been in the country for 1 year........... I've seen with my own eyes, HUGE barter going on with forged birth certificates and residency cards, in Arab stores where they were also OPENLY SELLING enormous stacks of UNWRA staple foods donated FREE by the world wide useful idiots who believe every lie that the Arabs tell. And they haven't told the truth yet, except the one where they hate and will kill all the Jews. Everything is documented by OFFICIAL departments, and the recent USA census taken of the REAL population figures in Gaza and Samaria and Judah, turned out that the Arabs had been "ESTIMATING" since 1996, and had OVERESTIMATED by nearly 100%. no one had ever died, and estimates of births were about 11 children to a family. So they immediately lost over 2 million who never existed. Yassar Arafat's brother was I ask the Publishets of Boxing Scene to keep this a DECENT site.

what about the palestinians. what about 5 million palestinian families WHEN THE HOLOCAUST LIE FORCED THEM OUT OF THEIR HOMES and cut the act, you're probably a mossad agent who enjoys murdering children like the rest You will be banned. So you get insulted and you go all antisemitic on the board? Are you Mel Gibson?

It can happen and it did in Pacquiao vs Mosley. Pacquiao dominating the round before and after the so called flash KD. Before the KD Pacquiao was dominating, winning the round, 10-9, then the KD happened, so at that point the judges would have had it 10-9 Mosley, but then Pacquiao goes on to dominate the round still so it became a 10-9 for Pacquiao. i believe this is incorrect. i think the judges used their own discretion and knew it wasn't a knockdown so they ignored the refs call. if what i just said is false please provide me with a link.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/426/holohoaxhowlongrj6.jpg wtf? Are you insane?