Neither Ortiz or Khan will be defined by their losses.

Different circumstances... What people will remember is that Khan, despite Khan getting knocked out against a mediocre opponent in the first round...made a strong attempt at getting up, despite not having anything left. This proved he had heart... Ortiz, whether we like it or not embarrassed himself, especially with what he had to say after the fight. He quit...

Now that Floyd is back,but when he won, he became 2nd correct? Right, so Khan and Ortiz are comeback stories.

So you haters can fuk off. You can bring up Khan being KO'd and Ortiz quitting but neither of these world class fighters will be remembered by these fights. You haters can keep bringing them up time and time again, but in the end, they won't matter. Just like the dumbasses bring up Pac getting KO'd to the body or Mayweather being beat by Castillo, those are but footnotes in the history book of these men. Bunch of fukin hatin ass b1tches in this place who have never boxed, or probably gotten off the couch in years. In all fairness, of the four fighters you named, who was the only one that sought an immediate rematch? I like that Lennox Lewis went and rematched the guys who beat him.

Third .... Now that Floyd is back,but when he won, he became 2nd correct?

I agree, both came back with greater wins than their losses. Khan has unified 140 & Ortiz toppled the favorite to become a champion & 2nd best welterweight on the planet, period. Third ....

I agree, both came back with greater wins than their losses. Khan has unified 140 & Ortiz toppled the favorite to become a champion & 2nd best welterweight on the planet, period.

that's too obvious i think...wins are the defining moments in a fighter's career not losses.

You smoking crack rock? Berto was hyped up and was supposed to be one of the top guys that PACQUIAO apparently ducked. It just so happened he failed to impress a lot of us on NSB. Thank you, it's funny how things are forgotten in one fight. Vegas had him 2-1 odds, they gave no respect to Ortiz.

I saw next to no one hyping Berto up to be the next best thing on this forum before that fight. Did you? I can't think of any boxing forum/website that was hyping Berto up before he lost to Ortiz. No one thought Berto was anything special. You smoking crack rock? Berto was hyped up and was supposed to be one of the top guys that PACQUIAO apparently ducked. It just so happened he failed to impress a lot of us on NSB.

I know not like me but I'm just fed up with the bringing up of the past in this place. It's like you can't lose one fight or you can't improve. Nah, it's the hate and the undermining of individual boxer achievements that's seems to be the norm around here. People here seem to have no idea what hard work is and have probably never taken a chance on anything or have never competed in any real meaningful way. It's easy to deride someone that is out there taking risks when these dudes posting aren't doing a damn thing but sitting behind a computer screen, eating cheetos and talking shi.t.

I saw next to no one hyping Berto up to be the next best thing on this forum before that fight. Did you? I can't think of any boxing forum/website that was hyping Berto up before he lost to Ortiz. No one thought Berto was anything special. Of course, of course.... Yet Vegas had Berto odds favorite to win and the contract between him and Mayweather was all but agreed to. It's funny the way that now after the fact Berto is nothing special. Berto is still a good fighter, young but good but Ortiz was just a beast that night. Sorry but I just can't discredit Ortiz for going up a weight class and fighting what was at the time one of the best if not the best young champs in the game. A fighter who was even at odds when he was going to fight Mosley and odds favorite against Ortiz. Like I said, after the fact it's easy to make these claims.

It's the way Ortiz lost that fight, he quit. Nothing wrong with the way Khan lost. Khan even tried to get back up but his body wouldn't let him. Khan's heart> Ortiz's heart Beating Berto isn't going to make people forget about that crappy speech about how Ortiz is crying that he shouldn't be getting beat up in a combat sport and how he quit when he had a chance to still win the fight. So just throw the Berto fight out of the window then? LOL Let me guess, we all knew Berto was a bum right? wink, wink......

You drunk or something? I know not like me but I'm just fed up with the bringing up of the past in this place. It's like you can't lose one fight or you can't improve.

So you haters can fuk off. You can bring up Khan being KO'd and Ortiz quitting but neither of these world class fighters will be remembered by these fights. You haters can keep bringing them up time and time again, but in the end, they won't matter. Just like the dumbasses bring up Pac getting KO'd to the body or Mayweather being beat by Castillo, those are but footnotes in the history book of these men. Bunch of fukin hatin ass b1tches in this place who have never boxed, or probably gotten off the couch in years. You drunk or something?