Re watched Berto vs Ortiz...

I have no hate for Ortiz I'm just not up his azz either,and bro a win over Berto(I pick Ortiz to win that fight and won points on it as well)does nothing in making me a believer..Ortiz is a good fighter I never said he was not,but Maidana is a good fighter as well and saying Ortiz was dominating him is a hoot you can not be serious..The difference between Berto and Maidana was Maidana put his punches together while Berto was looking for one shot to end the fight..The defense was also a problem for Berto,watch in the six rd Berto after he hurt Ortiz drops his hands to go in for the kill..Maidana kept his hands up and continued to land flush shots..I think to much goes into Ortiz win over Berto,I like Ortiz he is fun to watch but don't overrate him..He is the same fighter who fought Maidana nothing has change bro.. good post. Ortiz fought exactly the same way in Berto and Maidana fights. Only differnce being the move up to welter helped him physically. smh at Floyd fans tring to hype Ortiz up:nonono:

Smh @ the overating of kahn and bradley.

Bradley beats him,Khan beats him(if his chin holds up)I'd pick Maidana over him..Jones I feel beats him as well..Now I could be wrong this is boxing but from what I seen from all the guy's named he looks like the weak link..He does not throw a jab he has no head movement and can't fight off the back foot..It's not to say Ortiz is a sh!t fighter just to say he is a good fighter with flaws who could lose bro..Not only to May and Pac but a few fighters,and one win over Berto(who is very unproven himself)does not change that.. Rome is correct, most likely all those guys beat Ortiz. I like Ortiz, I do, but realistically Khan and Bradley would potentially school Ortiz, it might not even be close IMO. Remember Bradley fairly easily beat Peterson, the guy who gave Ortiz a boxing lesson. And anyone who thinks Ortiz rapes them all is a fool.

He's physically stronger now, better stamina too. How can we really tell that from a fight with Berto??A fighter known to have stamina problems himself..

I don't think Victor Ortiz has improve a single bit since the Lamont Peterson fight. He is exactly the same fighter. He's physically stronger now, better stamina too.

I don't think Victor Ortiz has improve a single bit since the Lamont Peterson fight. He is exactly the same fighter.

Who gives a ****. Ortiz is fighting Mayweather, while Peterson is begging Khan for a pay day. Great response..Not..:dunce:

AGree 100%. Looks like 147 is the best weight for him for the next year or so. If his power stays with him he is gonna be a problem at 154. I don't buy he could not make weight and that's why he lost to Maidana and imo lost to Peterson..He enjoyed a size advantage over both,and tbh I seen nothing different in his style from either weight..The difference was in opponent,not his skill(Ortiz).. :rofl::rofl: funny to see different perspectives. me and Dunn agree. Im not saying the skill was different but the strength and endurance levels were far different. ortiz burned out fast at 140. I don't see that happening at 147. Plus, he's a young dude, dude is still growing. i think he has fatal flaws at any weight. floyd will expose his defensive liabilities (leaning too much with punches, no jab, admiring his work), but im not sure how many other dudes at 147 can do that.

Yea ok the same way Ortiz was suppose to rape Peterson right lol.. Who gives a ****. Ortiz is fighting Mayweather, while Peterson is begging Khan for a pay day.

Wow, you just don't think anything of Ortiz do you? Bradley at 147 beats him? Because Ortiz is not fighting at 140 ever again folks, let's get that straight. Bradley is too small for him and Ortiz will run him down. Jones will NOT beat him, he arguably lost the first fight with Soto Karass, come on. Khan could beat him but would have to box him for 12 rounds and if Maidana could touch him, I have no doubt Ortiz can too. I think Ortiz KO's Khan in the later rounds. I don't need to know Ortiz,I know his flaws and I know boxing and I doubt Ortiz beats Bradley with no skill bro..OR jones,and what makes you think he beats Karass??A fighter who reminds me of Maidana(in style anyway)a fighter who gave Ortiz all kinds of problems..Think about the sport and a fighters flaws not just who ya like bro styles make fights and Bradley is all wrong for Ortiz..Why ya think Maidana won't speak Bradleys name and ducked him twice now??

Lol, Bradley. Didn't you say Alexander would beat him too? No, at 147 Ortiz will rape them all. Yea ok the same way Ortiz was suppose to rape Peterson right lol..

If Pacman fought Ortiz: "Ortiz has no heart, Pacman picking on a dude who just quit against Maidana and is green as a tree, way to cherry pick" When Floyd fights Ortiz "Ortiz is the best there is to fight, he is the best"! This. But I'm one of the few that think the first part no matter who he fights. He'll get squashed by Floyd who everyone will say is no P4P number 1 and all he did was beat a guy who recently quit, got a draw against Peterson and beat a bigger hypejob than himself.

Bradley beats him,Khan beats him(if his chin holds up)I'd pick Maidana over him..Jones I feel beats him as well..Now I could be wrong this is boxing but from what I seen from all the guy's named he looks like the weak link..He does not throw a jab he has no head movement and can't fight off the back foot..It's not to say Ortiz is a sh!t fighter just to say he is a good fighter with flaws who could lose bro..Not only to May and Pac but a few fighters,and one win over Berto(who is very unproven himself)does not change that.. Lol, Bradley. Didn't you say Alexander would beat him too? No, at 147 Ortiz will rape them all.

Wow, you just don't think anything of Ortiz do you? Bradley at 147 beats him? Because Ortiz is not fighting at 140 ever again folks, let's get that straight. Bradley is too small for him and Ortiz will run him down. Jones will NOT beat him, he arguably lost the first fight with Soto Karass, come on. Khan could beat him but would have to box him for 12 rounds and if Maidana could touch him, I have no doubt Ortiz can too. I think Ortiz KO's Khan in the later rounds. I agree with all of this. I would love to see Khan vs Ortiz at 147. I think Ortiz would put Khan on queer street at some point.

Bradley beats him,Khan beats him(if his chin holds up)I'd pick Maidana over him..Jones I feel beats him as well..Now I could be wrong this is boxing but from what I seen from all the guy's named he looks like the weak link..He does not throw a jab he has no head movement and can't fight off the back foot..It's not to say Ortiz is a sh!t fighter just to say he is a good fighter with flaws who could lose bro..Not only to May and Pac but a few fighters,and one win over Berto(who is very unproven himself)does not change that.. Wow, you just don't think anything of Ortiz do you? Bradley at 147 beats him? Because Ortiz is not fighting at 140 ever again folks, let's get that straight. Bradley is too small for him and Ortiz will run him down. Jones will NOT beat him, he arguably lost the first fight with Soto Karass, come on. Khan could beat him but would have to box him for 12 rounds and if Maidana could touch him, I have no doubt Ortiz can too. I think Ortiz KO's Khan in the later rounds.

Just a couple of observations that I wanna put up for discussion for anyone who cares: 1. Berto needs a new trainer, he was telling Andre to circle the wrong way against a southpaw, shouldn't you be trying to get AWAY from the power left hand of a southy? Berto was being told to move TOWARDS it.... 2. Ortiz is ALOT faster than what people think, he moves quick on his feet for a big dude and also lets the combos fly with speed ASWELL as his talked about power (the right uppercut, right hook straight left combo will be trouble for Floyd in their fight). 3. If Ortiz and Maidana have part 2, Victor rapes Marcos and sends him home with a new vagina torn out of his flesh. 4. When Mayweather vs Ortiz fight, Floyd will NOT back up. I'm willing to bet my house that Floyd will go to Ortiz and fight him on the inside. It's the only times in the Berto fight that Victor looked out of depth was when Andre took it to Victor, plus we saw what Rene did to him in their fight. I can't see Floyd stopping him though, he will do a Juan Manuel type fight and get some rounds under his belt just to keep active. Anyone disagree with any of these, please feel free to fight you corner! Problem with victor is how he handles adversity. That reason alone, Maidana probably always wins. Victor has quit in him. He started to look like he was going to quit before a breath of wind knocked berto down. That had to be teh weakest hook i'd ever seen in my life - berto was just so spent after blowing his load that he just fell over. I told people the day of the fight Berto would lose because he had noticeable "cotton mouth" at the weigh in. A lot of clowns on this site acted like I was overreacting. I box, I should know what cotton mouth means - it's no surprise he got as fatigued as he did after what I saw at the weigh in.

4. There's no doubt that Ortiz is better coming forward, I agree. I also don't think Floyd will pressure or come forward vs Ortiz. He might stay in front of him from time to time but Ortiz is coming to pressure so Floyd will do what he always does, counter and box. . Floyd is going to make Ortiz go backwards. Floyd WILL walk forward on Ortiz. Ortiz' footwork seems predicated on him coming forward, or doing that reset/circle thing that he does (oddly, even when far away). I haven't seen Ortiz be effective when someone is closing the distance on him, and I would invite you to educate me with examples. gr

ortiz knocks madiana ass out if they fight at 147. 140 took a toll on him probly why he had all those 10 rounders.saying maidiana has problying the best p4p power is overating who has he knock out besides ortiz he did'nt even knock him out. berto will be better from his loss to ortiz. just need to keep fighting stiff comp instead of pushovers. Again with the 140lb weight drained excuse,not buying it...He had a size advantage over every opponent at the weight but was beat time and time again..And his lost to Maidana was not his first lost..There is no evidence he was weight drained and that's the reason for his lost..Like I said I would have to see more of him then just beating Berto before I co sign something like that..

ortiz knocks madiana ass out if they fight at 147. 140 took a toll on him probly why he had all those 10 rounders.saying maidiana has problying the best p4p power is overating who has he knock out besides ortiz he did'nt even knock him out. berto will be better from his loss to ortiz. just need to keep fighting stiff comp instead of pushovers.

Again, not taking anything from Maidana he won but do fighters never win rematches to fighters they lost to? I mean, Ortiz is now a bum and avg boxer and nothing special because of that fight. Yet Maidana was handled by a one eyed, past his prime 2 weight class lower fighter in Morales....but he's a much better fighter. Keep sleeping on Ortiz, I will pick him over Khan and most at 140 to 147 with the exception of Pac and Mayweather but there's no shame in that. Bradley beats him,Khan beats him(if his chin holds up)I'd pick Maidana over him..Jones I feel beats him as well..Now I could be wrong this is boxing but from what I seen from all the guy's named he looks like the weak link..He does not throw a jab he has no head movement and can't fight off the back foot..It's not to say Ortiz is a sh!t fighter just to say he is a good fighter with flaws who could lose bro..Not only to May and Pac but a few fighters,and one win over Berto(who is very unproven himself)does not change that..