Wlad's Top 5 Wins Vs. Ali's Top 5 Wins

Haye got knocked out by a supermiddleweight, only had 4 fights at HW and ended up being Wlad's most quality opponent. Thats how much this era sucks. Any bloke can waltz right in and be as good as the top guys.

Is earnie shavers really one of Alis top5 wins according to you guys? In a straight up comparison between the two fighters resumes, It's a slaughter on the verge of being comical. How far down on Alis "best wins" could you go before you hit a guy that compares to byrd? Shavers should definitely be replaced by Quarry. Agree?

Is earnie shavers really one of Alis top5 wins according to you guys? In a straight up comparison between the two fighters resumes, It's a slaughter on the verge of being comical. How far down on Alis "best wins" could you go before you hit a guy that compares to byrd?

And, of course, he has nothing to base Chambers in-ring abilities on since Chambers never fought anybody worth a damn. It's easy to look great when you're fed a steady diet of stiffs.....but it tells you nothing about how good (or not) you are. Poet Lol, this was the point I was setting up once he tried to justify Chambers opponents. :fing02:

You're still stuck on resumes. Yet still haven't given any details on QUarry's in-ring abilities, what he can do (Jab, defense, counter puncher, come forward etc,.). Instead you skirt behind his resume. Chambers UD over Quarry in the Ring. When you're ready to debate their In-ring abilities, let me know. As far as the rest of your post, it has already been covered. Read between the lines. Yes Quarry could jab, counter, come forward, brawl, box and had average defense. And he did this against every style imaginable and a far better quality of opponents. You're prediction of a Chambers UD holds no weight because you haven't backed it up with a single fact such as how he is better than Quarry, who his best win is and the quality of his opponents in which he gained his experience? The reason for that is because you know it is foolish, but you still want to stand your ground. I've explained the different kinds of style Quarry has fought and the fighters that possessed those styles. All of that goes into determining who the better fighter is. Soory bud, but you just saying Chambers is better just doesn't cut it. Its all irrelevant anyway since Ali best 5 wins shit all over Wlads.

Glad to see you telling like it is :allhail9: ha this never gets old :lol1:

Thats because its Diva Haye pissed off that he was exposed in the ring. He was exposed as the same fighters he claimed only came for a paycheck. Those fighters Diva Haye claimed only came for a check put up a better fight against Wlad and weren't on the backfoot looking to counter all night long like a puta with the exception of Ibragimov(I respect him more tho because he didn't talk trash). Ibragimov was a very talented underrated fighter too bad he retired.

Wlad: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2009/2369939682_2ef72a70ba.jpg David Haye Samuel Peter Chris Byrd Calvin Brock Hasim Rahman Ali: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c5BopYZHNgA/ThzMOo7n0SI/AAAAAAAAGoE/OtR3VzZ13l8/s1600/Muhammad+Ali+Boxer+%252827%2529+%2528wwesuperb.blogspot.com%2529.jpg Sonny Liston George Foreman Joe Frazier Floyd Patterson Earnie Shavers Honorable Mention to: Ken Norton, Archie Moore, George Chuvalo, Oscar Bonavena Anybody want to compare the top wins and tell me Wlad is better should get checked out or something, something WRONG with em I'd add to honorable mention these fighters based on skill, their fight vs. Ali, and/or their legacy: Chuck Wepner, Jimmy Young, Jerry Quarry, Bob Foster, Henry Cooper, Karl Mildenberger, and Ernie Terrell.

Since when did Samuel Peter become this unstoppable monster worthy of praise anyway? Two days ago when the self-proclaimed intelligentsia of the boxingscene community proclaimed Frazier, Foreman and Liston:crazy: "not in Peter's league" due to SIZE and advances in sports science........are you laughing yet??

If anyone thinks this is debatable they must be insane and should seek serious help.. The dickhead (The-Expert.....:lol1:) i just replied to thinks Sanders, Peter, Byrd etc are bettter HW's than Liston, Foreman and Frazier:crazy:.......i hope this isn't the level of intelligence and observation they apply in real life :wtf:

If anyone thinks this is debatable they must be insane and should seek serious help.. On that note cupocity should check himself in. :lol1:

Ali mostly fought African Americans. Today with all the soviets going pro its proven that African Americans arent on the same level as the soviets. Wlads opponents ( Soviets, Europeans, African Americans) >>>> Ali's African American opponents. I believe you said Samuel Peter would beat Foreman and Liston because of his size and advances in sports science (your argument as to why today's HW's are better), yet you ran away when i asked you how Sam Peter couldn't even convincingly beat a small fat former 160 pounder. I also pointed out that George Foreman was able to come back in his 40's after a 10 year lay-off and beat some of the better heavies of the era (Moorer) and take Holyfield to 12 rds. You also failed to point out how someone as big as Valuev + sports science does not equal Valuev being the greates fighter this sport has seen.......he couldn't even get past a shot 40+ Holyfield. Pls STFU, you have no idea what you are going on about.......

I also think that the two (Resume-Ability) are interrelated when it comes to these debates. Example: I state that Wlad would beat Ali based on ability and some mouth-breathing fukwit invokes resumes to refute my point, citing that Ali beat more HOF's and All-Time Greats, therefore he is better. No that's wrong, resume quality is a good indicator of ability. The two shouldn't be separated outright. Ali is better because he beat the best heavyweight opposition and he has better ability. Both factor in. You still haven't answered Jrosales' question. Please do so.

You're talking about consensus, you're talking about being recognized and considered. But, I know that already so that's not what I'm asking you. I don't give a **** what the consensus is or who is recognized or considered. I never asked that. All I asked is how do YOU rank them, YOUR OWN FUCKING PERSONAL OPINION. Like just now in this thread. You said that Denzel has a great resume and is a very good actor. But, YOU PERSONALLY believe Daniel Day Lewis is a greater actor. Great, did you see how easily you gave your opinion on what actor was greater. Now I wish you do this with the fighters. I have no doubt in my mind that if I asked for your OWN PERSONAL OPINION. who's greater between Roy and Hopkins. You will say Hopkins without even hesitating. Now you have insinuated that Wlad is as great as Ali maybe even greater. And, have insinuated that Chagaev, Haye, Peter, Ibragrimov, Chambers are just as great if not greater than Frazier. But, then you go back with, "I didn't say that" then WTF are you saying. You see how quick you gave me who YOU PERSONALLY thought who the greater actor was. I wish you could do that with this fighters. :lol1: still no answer.

If anyone thinks this is debatable they must be insane and should seek serious help..

Corrie Sanders and Sam Peter are very hard punchers. And most of the shots Peter knocked Wlad down with were rabbit punches. Ali got dropped by CHUCK WEPNER...CHUCK WEPNER, so I guess it can happen to anyone, eh? http://mystories.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/wepner.jpg Wepner stepped on Ali's foot.

Since when did Samuel Peter become this unstoppable monster worthy of praise anyway? Duh...Since Wlad and Vitaly beat him :dunce: He's Joe Frazier +1 :lol1:

That may have not been the best line to use but if nothing else, at least this was a very good English lesson for ya. :biggthump Yea good job :fing02: Hey Frazier is a poor man version of Peter :lol1:

Ranking has nothing to do with it, how many more times do I have to say that. We have already established that Ali is the consensus GOAT and the reason for that is because he has faced/beaten other consensus All-Time Greats , which I accept. They're recognized/considered as such regardless of what the criteria is. And "Great" is debatable and can go many ways. Resume usually translates into greatness. Denzel Washington is a very good actor and has a great resumes of movies on his Filmography. Yet why do I and many others think that Daniel Day Lewis (who has starred in less movies and less popular ones) is a greater actor. < That one you should google or ask members about in the Lounge. Context, Context Context..... You're talking about consensus, you're talking about being recognized and considered. But, I know that already so that's not what I'm asking you. I don't give a **** what the consensus is or who is recognized or considered. I never asked that. All I asked is how do YOU rank them, YOUR OWN FUCKING PERSONAL OPINION. Like just now in this thread. You said that Denzel has a great resume and is a very good actor. But, YOU PERSONALLY believe Daniel Day Lewis is a greater actor. Great, did you see how easily you gave your opinion on what actor was greater. Now I wish you do this with the fighters. I have no doubt in my mind that if I asked for your OWN PERSONAL OPINION. who's greater between Roy and Hopkins. You will say Hopkins without even hesitating. Now you have insinuated that Wlad is as great as Ali maybe even greater. And, have insinuated that Chagaev, Haye, Peter, Ibragrimov, Chambers are just as great if not greater than Frazier. But, then you go back with, "I didn't say that" then WTF are you saying. You see how quick you gave me who YOU PERSONALLY thought who the greater actor was. I wish you could do that with this fighters.

RubenSonny is a retarded racist butthurt NIGERIAN who picked Peter to "destroy" the Klitschkos. He disowned Peter after the Vitali fight and refused to give the Klitschkos credit for destroying his fellow Nigerian Peter. Haha got any proof that I've ever supported Peter? I'm pretty sure I never have and I've never liked him whatsoever - quite the opposite, hell I don't even like Dick Tiger so you can eat a dick.