The Klitschko's are good fighters but not great. The fact is that the level of Heavyweight opponents in this era aren't near as competitive as in previous years.
These are some fighters that I believe would have given the Klitschko's problems.
1. Muhammad Ali - hands down and anyone who argues is either under 30 years of age or just doesn't know boxing.
2. Young Larry Holmes - one of the best jab/right crosses in history
3. Young George Foreman - his intense style would be intimidating...an easy early KO for both.
4. Prime Sonny Liston (?) - not a lot of movement and small, but very powerful. I see him taking Vitali because he is less versatile but Wlad probably could pull this out...maybe.
5. Prime Ken Norton - not that great of a chin...but would make a helluva fight...KO or get KO'd...Definitely either brother couldn't go the distance with this guy unless they just ran the whole time.
6. Prime Michael Dokes - not a good resume but a former Champ none the less with a good chin and good power.
7. Prime Tim Witherspoon is worthy to be here because of that famous overhand right that comes out of nowhere.
8. Gerry Cooney - all around good but not great heavyweight and his big heart would make a good fight. He had enough boxing fundamentals not to get caught up with the jab which would make it interesting even he loses.
9. Prime Mike Tyson - need I say more...in his prime he destroyed taller fighters.
10. Prime Evander Holyfield - The Warrior - small but a pure fighter with power in every single punch he hits you with. Head movement and footwork is among the best ever.
11. Prime Riddick Bowe - fatigues but when he's on...he's on. At 6'5" I would destroy both of these guys.
12. Lennox Lewis - destroyed the one that's most durable but has lesser skills...the other has more skills but less durable...go figure
13. Prime and Clean Oliver McCall - never been KO'd (put to sleep or didn't make the count)...many say one of the hardest punchers and best chins of his era.
14. Mentally Stable Andrew Golota - one of the guys that 'coulda been'. His best fights were with Riddick Bowe. He could give the Klits a fit.
15. Mentally Sharp Frank Bruno - this could give the Klits problems as well.
16. Rocky Marciano (?) - he was a very small heavyweight but his heart and style would have been big trouble most top heavyweights today. Not mention he had big man's power.
Remember...I'm saying that all these fighters would win and for sure some of them I don't think would win, but the thing is these guys would the Klits the business...no doubt. None of these fights are easy fights for the Klits considering who they've fought, loss to, and have beaten. The Klit fans on the forum are so intoxicated with stupidity that they post as if these guy are even on the level of a Muhammad Ali. Clearly they aren't on that level yet. They are good but lets be reasonable...and sane!
Marciano would be a SMW today he would be no trouble at all for either Vk or Wlad.
I don't know any Super Middle Weights that weigh 178-192+ lbs. He would've been a cruiser weight...not even light heavyweight which 175 remember. But your saying he weighed 168...Amazing...just amazing. At least use google if you don't know before you post.
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TS is just another butthurt racist black supremacist who hates the fact that the Ukrainian Klitschko Brothers are the two most dominant fighters of all time.
The Klitschkos are the negrocutioners.
Wlad and Vitali are the two greatest heavyweights of all time.
Either Klitschko beats any HW from any era.
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In his prime look what has happended to your king. None of the top last 20 African American Heavyweights would have lost to such a bum like Corrie Sanders. Klitscho bros are both garbage, thier just big thats all. The oldest bro quit on the stool against the smallest weakest heavy weight champion in the history of the sport in Chris bird. Only a fool believes the Klitscho bros are Hall of famers. Nobody outside of die hard boxing fans and Klitscho diick riders even care about thier fights. Thier boring and cant even sell PPV, LOL WHAT TYPE OF HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS CAN'T SELL PPV, LOL GARBAGE, THATS WHAT KIND, THE TRUTH HURTS I KNOW, SO GO KILL YOURSELF, THATS WHAT YOUR KIND IS GOOD FOR WHEN THE SHIIT HITS THE FAN. JUST PUT THE BARREL IN YOUR MOUTH AND PULL THE TRIGGER. iT WONT HURT i PROMISE, GO HEAD , YOU CAN DO IT
we really comparing a past prime lewis win to vitali? could you imagine a prime Lewis that night? i like vitali but hed easily lose. come on you guys act like primes and age dont matter in this game, you young fans kill this game.
btw ts that list is on point. holyfield, prime tyson, lewis, ali, foreman imo win without a doubt. thought the klits are good enough to make all a great fight.
btw comparing tysons wins and vitali wins.. well tyson beat them earlier than vitali.. wouldnt vitali of course look better with older opposition?
Vitali wasn't in his prime either, it was his first fight at that level he could have won and if they had a rematch it's likely he would have beaten Lewis. It's all speculation now though, both are great fighters.
Its funny how these guys actually convinced themselves there was a sudden drop in the caliber of (black) american hw athletes from the 80's to the 90's when the klits emerged.
I know it pains you to admit that the alpha male division now belongs to a bunch of white boys. Whites went through the same thing when they found out little by little that blacks run faster. Now you have to admit that slavs huge upper body strength gives them an advantage in hw combat sports.
Let's not bring up race here, every race has talented athletes. The Klitschkos are among the best heavyweights in history.
My post was purely based on boxing opinion and had nothing to do with race. It seems that you are the racists!
I won't play into your racists game especially when I'm not a Black Supremacist. Let's look at the record compared to the fighters I listed.
David Gaye
Samuel Peter
Eddie Chambers
Ruslan Chagaev
Hasim Rahman
Tony Thompson
Sultan Ibragamov
Ray Austin
Chris Byrd
Calvin No Shock Brock
Eliseo Castillo (I trained in the same gym as this guy...he sucks)
DaVarryl Williamson
Darnell Nicholson
Fabio Moli
Corrie Sanders
Jameel McCline
Ray Mercer
Francios Botha
Charles Shufford
Derrick Jefferson
Monte Barrett
David Bostice
Paea Wolfgramm
Lajos Eros
Phil Jackson
Axil Schulz
the rest no need to mention because no one has heard of them. Just look at the list.
Now Vitali...
Odladnier Solis
Shannon Briggs
Albert Sosnowski
Kevin Johnson
Chris Arreola
Jaun Gomez
Sam Peter
Danny Williams
Kirk Johnson
Lennox Lewis
Larry Donald
Vaughn Bean
Ross Purity (I trained with him as well...he's a beast)
Orlin Norris
Timo Hoffman
Chris Byrd
Obed Sullivan
Ed Mahone
Herbie Hide
No need to mention the rest. Now this was to get some people to think but I guess it brought out the KKK, Skin Heads, White Resistance, and all the other hate mongers in the world.
If you take time to READ the heading it should provoke good dialogue between serious boxing fans. Compare my list of the 15 fighters to list of fighters the Klits have fought. It doesn't even come close to matching up. As I said they are good, but not great yet! They have proven themselves to be the best in this era hands down. But Great fights who go down in history if they retired today. Noway! They go down in history of being the best in their era but not G.O.A.T...but Wlad if he keeps fighting and winning he could get there.
we really comparing a past prime lewis win to vitali? could you imagine a prime Lewis that night? i like vitali but hed easily lose. come on you guys act like primes and age dont matter in this game, you young fans kill this game.
btw ts that list is on point. holyfield, prime tyson, lewis, ali, foreman imo win without a doubt. thought the klits are good enough to make all a great fight.
btw comparing tysons wins and vitali wins.. well tyson beat them earlier than vitali.. wouldnt vitali of course look better with older opposition?
"prime" Lewis would have been KO'ed easily that night. The extra weight saved him and he still was wobbled. If he was smaller he never would have been engaging clinches, and holding and hitting which ultimately caused the cut (illegally). Like Ali who gained weight and aged and had a much better chin in the mid 70's than he did in the late 60's, Lewis's extra weight helped his chin...which was his weakness. I dont expect you to understand this, because I am a boxing genius and you...no one even knows or cares that you exist.
we really comparing a past prime lewis win to vitali? could you imagine a prime Lewis that night? i like vitali but hed easily lose. come on you guys act like primes and age dont matter in this game, you young fans kill this game.
btw ts that list is on point. holyfield, prime tyson, lewis, ali, foreman imo win without a doubt. thought the klits are good enough to make all a great fight.
btw comparing tysons wins and vitali wins.. well tyson beat them earlier than vitali.. wouldnt vitali of course look better with older opposition?
FAO: Bowe nuthuggers
Bowe is an overrated one hit wonder. He was a dumb slow punching bag who couldn't even throw a straight punch. He was totally outclassed, exposed and destroyed twice by mediocre Andrew Golota. He blatantly ducked Lennox Lewis, who was dominated by Vitali Klitschko.
Either Klitschko destroys Bowe.
FAO: Tyson nuthuggers
Vitali and Tyson have 5 common opponents:
Lennox Lewis, Danny Williams, Jose Ribalta, Orlin Norris, Julius Francis
Vitali did better against every common opponent.
Tyson KO'd Francis in 2.
Vitali KO'd Francis in 2.
Tyson-Norris was a no contest.
Vitali destroyed Norris in the 1st round.
Tyson KO'd Ribalta in 10.
Vitali KO'd Ribalta in 2.
Lewis KO'd Tyson.
Vitali dominated Lewis and scared him into retirement.
Williams destroyed Tyson in 4.
Vitali annihilated Williams. It was one of the most brutal beatdowns of all time.
Either Klitschko demolishes Tyson.
Its funny how these guys actually convinced themselves there was a sudden drop in the caliber of (black) american hw athletes from the 80's to the 90's when the klits emerged.
I know it pains you to admit that the alpha male division now belongs to a bunch of white boys. Whites went through the same thing when they found out little by little that blacks run faster. Now you have to admit that slavs huge upper body strength gives them an advantage in hw combat sports.
Lewis was coming off the KO win over Tyson. In the Lewis-Tyson post fight interview Lewis stated "I'm like fine wine, I get better with age"
In an interview right before the Vitali fight, Lewis said "I'm at the peak of my powers, I will keep fighting for many more years"
Vitali dominated Lewis and scared him into retirement.
Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis
THE TRUTH
Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice.
Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the controversial doctor stoppage. Lewis barely survived the 2nd round, he was badly hurt, holding on for dear life, wobbling everywhere and staggering around the ring like a drunk. Lewis was badly hurt several times in the fight and was getting outboxed, outworked, outmuscled and outlanded by Vitali.
punches landed
Vitali 156
Lewis 102
Lewis was exhausted, worn down and hurt from the accumulation of punches and was ready to get KTFO again, he collapsed onto his stool at the end of the 6th round, Vitali was clearly the fresher of the two, he was a man on a mission and would've KO'd Lewis for sure if the fight had continued.
After the fight, Vitali intimidated the shit out of Lewis and made him look like a bitch.
All the fans at Staples Center cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis after the fight.
Lewis promised Vitali a rematch.
Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds and called out Lewis again in the post fight interview. The scared Lewis retired shortly after that fight.
Lewis turned down 30 million dollars for a rematch and retired like a coward because he knew he would get destroyed by Vitali.
Vitali dominated Lewis and scared his bitch ass into retirement.
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George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!"
Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight"
Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch.
Lewis is scared to death of Vitali.
RETARDED THREAD
TS is just another butthurt racist black supremacist who hates the fact that the Ukrainian Klitschko Brothers are the two most dominant fighters of all time.
The Klitschkos are the negrocutioners.
Wlad and Vitali are the two greatest heavyweights of all time.
Either Klitschko beats any HW from any era.
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/2346/klitschkoali.jpg