Khan is lightyears better than Ortiz its rediculous

just gonna throw this in there, I know the triangle theory doesnt stand up but khan did beat maidanna quite clearly and ortiz was stopped by him........... and the debate goes on:boxing:

does anyone else see the inherent stupidity in this statement? Or is it just me............? I mean Ortiz will have a fire fight go to war but as long as he is winning. But if he is taking a beating or even just gettin outboxed, mentally he will crumble

Ortiz from the first punch was never behind in the fight, Ortiz does have heart, but it his mental strength I would question. When things aren't going your way, and you are taking a beaten can he come through that and have the belief he will win. does anyone else see the inherent stupidity in this statement? Or is it just me............?

Two different types of fighters and a totally different fight than the Judah fight. I love the way fans get all hyped up after their fighter just won...lol. Khan is a damn good fighter, don't get me wrong but I also think Judah isn't as good as some people give him credit for at this stage of his career. He has looked like sh1t in his last 3 fights, arguably losing 2 of the 3 and in his last fight, had to come back from a knockdown to win. Judah is done, Ortiz is a much different opponent and would be bigger and stronger than Khan. It would make for a great fight. Could Khan keep Ortiz outside for 12 rounds, or would Ortiz work his way inside and dominate Khan? That would be the question. I would put money on Ortiz because I don't think Khan could keep him off of him for 12 rounds. excellent post. Succinct and on point.

Floyd picks people when they have just made a name for themselves but are essientially still green. It would the same if he had of picked khan after he first comeback win after Presscot. Khan is further down the line than Ortiz is, with many notable wins under his belt. oh the irony is killing me......these last few years he's been fighting nothing but washed up old bums and now all of a sudden he has actually been targeting "still green" fighters.......

I have to say, Ortiz showed tremendous heart in the Berto fight. Ortiz from the first punch was never behind in the fight, Ortiz does have heart, but it his mental strength I would question. When things aren't going your way, and you are taking a beaten can he come through that and have the belief he will win.

Sigh. I knew beating up the shot Judah would make people go crazy... it's not just this fight, it's every fight........we have ppl on here saying Maidana would beat a prime Hatton at 140. Do these ppl actually watch/understand boxing??

Khan has Faster Handspeed Better footwork (and doesnt use footwork 10 feet away from his opponent to try make it look like your actually doing something ala Ortiz Peterson) Uses more angles More heart ..... i dont even have to explain this one The only thing you could say Ortiz has on Khan is power but what is power if you cant find the target. Guarentee if they fight Ortiz wouldnt be able to find Khan all night. And chin .... but id rather have a glass chin and a huge ass heart than a good chin and no heart PERIOD! To all the members of the jury ..... i rest my case Btw a better RESUME. A way WAY better resume man. The only reason people are sucking on his feet is because Ortiz is the flavor of the month. Guarentee if he wasnt fighting Mayweather nobody would be having this descussion I have to say, Ortiz showed tremendous heart in the Berto fight.

if ortiz fought khan the way he fought berto khan gets ko'd....... ortiz fought like a mad man vs berto......he kept on coming. maidana almost beat khan in this way....... if ortiz gets on the inside it's a done fight. sorry mate. He got inside Berto consistently. Khan beat Judah......big deal, who hasn't? Point of fact he beat an old Judah who hasn't looked good in a long time. That said i do think Khan is the best at 140 and would beat Bradley and anyone else in that division. He would also beat Maidana in a rematch more convincingly imho. However his biggest test was Maidana, he passed, but only just. I don't think anyone here thinks Maidana would beat Ortiz in a rematch at 147, or beat Berto at 147. Khan vs Ortiz at 147 is competitive. I would favour Ortiz after his most recent showing. I'm not convinced Khan would beat Berto at 147.

Ortiz, is overrated, he beat another overrated untested fighter in Berto and some people think Ortiz is something special. The kid is a good fighter, but Khan would give him a boxing lesson. Berto sat on the rope for half of there fight and let Ortiz pound on him, don't think Khan would adopt the same tactic.

And beating an overrated Andre Berto hasn't made people go crazy with Ortiz? Remember, this is the guy who could only 2 fights ago drew with Lamont Peterson despite 2 knockdowns Berto and Peterson are two names I don't believe the current Zab can beat. Maybe Peterson. I expected him to go out in less than six rounds against Khan and he did. Nothing to see here.

ortiz has skills but dam khan would rip him a new ******* and send him home on the bus. thats how bad he would beat him. Ortiz doesnt win one round in my books. Id bet a sh1t load of cash money on khan if they do fight. I wouldnt be scared one bit. Ortiz would knock Khan out. Period.

And beating an overrated Andre Berto hasn't made people go crazy with Ortiz? Remember, this is the guy who could only 2 fights ago drew with Lamont Peterson despite 2 knockdowns It was scored a draw, yes. But being honest, Ortiz won that fight by a distance. Judges also said Paul Williams won his last fight.

Sigh. I knew beating up the shot Judah would make people go crazy... And beating an overrated Andre Berto hasn't made people go crazy with Ortiz? Remember, this is the guy who could only 2 fights ago drew with Lamont Peterson despite 2 knockdowns

Khan has Faster Handspeed Better footwork (and doesnt use footwork 10 feet away from his opponent to try make it look like your actually doing something ala Ortiz Peterson) Uses more angles More heart ..... i dont even have to explain this one The only thing you could say Ortiz has on Khan is power but what is power if you cant find the target. Guarentee if they fight Ortiz wouldnt be able to find Khan all night. And chin .... but id rather have a glass chin and a huge ass heart than a good chin and no heart PERIOD! To all the members of the jury ..... i rest my case Btw a better RESUME. A way WAY better resume man. The only reason people are sucking on his feet is because Ortiz is the flavor of the month. Guarentee if he wasnt fighting Mayweather nobody would be having this descussion Not sure if you are trolling but, Maidana caught Khan with some good, clean punches. Ortiz is a way better fighter/boxer than Maidana. I doubt Khan gets back up from those shots Berto took from Ortiz.

Sigh. I knew beating up the shot Judah would make people go crazy...

I'd fancy Ortiz to win at 147, he looked a much better, bigger and stronger fighter at the weight. Much like Khan does after moving up to 140. I'm not taking too much from the Judah fight either, Zab looked dreadful for the 3rd fight in a row. Khan could outbox Ortiz, but at the same time Amir doesn't like come forward fighters, let alone one with good speed and very good power. At 140 I'd go with Khan, at 147 I'd go with Ortiz. It would be an interesting fight.

Khan has Faster Handspeed Better footwork (and doesnt use footwork 10 feet away from his opponent to try make it look like your actually doing something ala Ortiz Peterson) Uses more angles More heart ..... i dont even have to explain this one The only thing you could say Ortiz has on Khan is power but what is power if you cant find the target. Guarentee if they fight Ortiz wouldnt be able to find Khan all night. And chin .... but id rather have a glass chin and a huge ass heart than a good chin and no heart PERIOD! To all the members of the jury ..... i rest my case Btw a better RESUME. A way WAY better resume man. The only reason people are sucking on his feet is because Ortiz is the flavor of the month. Guarentee if he wasnt fighting Mayweather nobody would be having this descussion umm wasnt maidana taxing him all night??? :pat: not to mention he has about half of victors speed

No. Ortiz won a ww championship his 1st fight at the weight. You gotta be fair and give him the credit he deserves. Khan's title fight against was his first at LWW aswell. Ortiz definitely has a power/strength advantage over Khan although he can be outboxed as shown by Peterson and Khan is better fighter than Peterson. Also how would victo cope with an oppenent who isnt going to be laying on the ropes but pumping a jab in his face constantly as he tries to get inside. Its an interesting style matchup but before Khan fights at 147 I wouldnt make a firm predicition.

No. Ortiz won a ww championship his 1st fight at the weight. You gotta be fair and give him the credit he deserves. Against Andre ****ing Berto Who's best win is? Collazo? (which he should of lost btw), Urango? (outboxed by Hatton and KTFO by Alexander, Quintana? (who with the greatest of respect isn't very good)