Are steroids in boxing over-rated?

No. It just pushes your body to the maximum strenght potential according to your body mass with less effort than those who trains hard. At the end 160 boxer will always stronger than 147 but 147 vs 147 the difference would be minimal. The only exception is the gift like (punching power) someone might be stronger than you because he is bigger but you punch harder than him. A 160 pound boxer will have more potential to get stronger than a 147 pound guy, but the 147 pound guy can still become stronger than him.

you can get stronger without gaining weight. No. It just pushes your body to the maximum strenght potential according to your body mass with less effort than those who trains hard. At the end 160 boxer will always stronger than 147 but 147 vs 147 the difference would be minimal. The only exception is the gift like (punching power) someone might be stronger than you because he is bigger but you punch harder than him.

roids are overrated. mosley and vargas roided and it didn't help them win their fights. but that's not to say that I don't support better PEDs testing, but just that those tests have to be for everyone, and not just some. I think PEDs are somewhat overstated for two reasons: 1. A lot of boxers use PEDs, so I highly doubt too many athletes have some huge advantage because their opponent is likely using too. 2. Skill and talent beats PEDs, in any sport. PEDs are still cheating, and should be cleaned out of boxing, but it's not like they can turn anyone into some great fighter. Thats how i see it as well. They definitely help, but some people talk about them like they turn u into robocop, and im just not buying that part of it.

http://www.isteroids.com/Anavar/Anavar_Side_Effects.html Minor side effects associated with Anavar use include sleep disorders, nausea, changes in skin color and changes in sexual drive. Yeah he use to like women before, now it just likes Floyd I only used Anavar once and I was giving it as an example.I really saw the good effects but I think it was affecting my liver too because there was some pain somewhere there.Sleep problems did occur yes but if I was getting paid millions believe me I would consider it again. Difference with professional athletes is they use high grade designer drugs and masking agents,basically concortion of drugs.People who use anavar normally use it with another drug which reverses these side effects. Congrats for benching 120kgs,many people cant bench 40kg

I think PEDs are somewhat overstated for two reasons: 1. A lot of boxers use PEDs, so I highly doubt too many athletes have some huge advantage because their opponent is likely using too. 2. Skill and talent beats PEDs, in any sport. PEDs are still cheating, and should be cleaned out of boxing, but it's not like they can turn anyone into some great fighter.

This is not a pacquiao mayweather thread, please repeat ur repetitive arguments somewhere else. I just want to know ur opinion on steroids and their place in boxing. There are two major points ive been thinking about. 1) I think its clear roids dont have the same benefits across every sport. In baseball its plainly obvious they do a great deal of help. But u never even hear about them in basketball, where increased muscle mass can be a hindrance. I pretty much assume the majority of football players roided up so im not going to mention it. What effect do u think roids have on boxers? How much do u think they benefit? The reason i ask is really zab judah. The guy works with vic conte (the roid super hero), comes out ripped as fuk, and cant even make it six rounds??? Then u have the vargez example, plenty of talent, plenty of roids, lack luster results. Im completely convinced roids have a noticeable impact on a boxers performance, so dont misunderstand me. All im asking is how much of a benefit do u think is there? I think its plainly obvious they dont turn u into superman. U dont just start walking through punches. They cant take a looser and turn them into a winner. I think roids are a BIG problem in boxing and the testing methods need immediate improvement. But i also think we as boxing fans are getting carried away with the impression that roids alone can turn u into some sort of unstoppable terminator. U thoughts? roids are overrated. mosley and vargas roided and it didn't help them win their fights. but that's not to say that I don't support better PEDs testing, but just that those tests have to be for everyone, and not just some.

Faster and stronger? lol! Maybe bigger and more stamina but this is boxing where the only benefit you will get from PED is to allowed you to train longer. You will only get stonger if you are bigger than your opponent but in boxing you have to follow your weight division. You can bulk yourself up and so your opponent as well but still you have to make weight and you might end up weight draining yourself in the process but speed and punching power? You have to be born with it. you can get stronger without gaining weight.

As far as basketball...Rashard Lewis when he was with the Orlando Magic a couple years ago was caught and suspended. My question is...if there overrated then why sneak and use them? There has to be some kind of edge gained or it would be retarded to risk so much for absolutely no gain!! Agreed. I just wonder how much of a benefit they give u. There is no question they help, but how much? After seeing zab this weekend, im having some serious doubt about there effectiveness.

As far as basketball...Rashard Lewis when he was with the Orlando Magic a couple years ago was caught and suspended. My question is...if there overrated then why sneak and use them? There has to be some kind of edge gained or it would be retarded to risk so much for absolutely no gain!!

This really has to do with the fact that there are just now being studies being conducted that will actually be published the peer-reviewed publications. But with the widespread usage of it, I think it can be generally accepted that the athletes themselves feel some benefit from using an HGH regimen. It could just be a placebo effect, or it might not be. Although I don't believe that HGH does not benefit athletes there are still many studies out there that have said that it doesnt benefit athletes. http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nat...-from-sta.html http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...U5c&refer=home http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...tool=pmcentrez Harvard Health Letter. Harvard Health Publications. 2008-01-01. https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsl..._Health_Letter. "Used by athletes to build muscle, human growth hormone may in fact make muscles bigger, but not necessarily stronger. HGH is also marketed as an anti-aging treatment, but there are no data about possible side effects from long-term use." A few quotes from the link in bold: "The conclusion is that growth hormone does indeed have powerful effects on fat and carbohydrate metabolism, and in particular promotes the metabolic use of adipose tissue triacylglycerol. However, there is no proof that net protein retention is promoted in adults, except possibly of connective tissue. The overexaggeration of the effects of growth hormone in muscle building is effectively promoting its abuse and thereby encouraging athletes and elderly men to expose themselves to increased risk of disease for little benefit." "In fact, as is argued below, the evidence that GH is anabolic in healthy adults is very poor. Furthermore, there is good evidence that chronic high serum concentrations of GH decrease performance and acutely may even cause metabolic changes in the short term that are likely to diminish the capacity for strenuous physical activity." And I assure you the quotes are not taken out of context, if you dont believe me just check.

you go up against a fighters that roided up see what you think......fkn stupid question Oh my bad dude, sorry for taking the lame ass "serious" approach to the issue. I guess I could have started a thread where i accused a few people of steroid use, stated my opinion as fact, and then the jerk off parade could commence. Would that have been better?

I've used PED's before and they really do what they say,improve performance.I remember when i could only bench 60kgs,then I took anavar.The following day I could bench 100kgs with no change in diet.I would hit the heavy bag and it would swing like crazy,the guys at my gym refused to spar with me.mind you anavar is a weak steroid and not even meant to increase your strength so to speak. When I played rugby a few supplements greatly improved my stamina,made me quick and explosive.I could ride through tackles I couldnt before those supplements.The supplements werent banned though. I once bought some supplements on Conte's website,they reduce fatigue by transporting all waste away from the muscle's etc.They also increase your concentration and enhance your accuracy,things you wouldnt ordinarily do. The zab case is different,Zab has always been ripped without steroids,he's just weak mentally.zab is a bully and once you stand up to him he quits. Anavar should never be used without a medical advice and you should always emphasize on buying legal Anavar from a legitimate steroid pharmacy. This is because use of low-grade Anavar or Anavar abuse can lead to side effects such as itching, difficulty in breathing, acne, changes in libido, menstrual irregularities, and loss of appetite, depression, dark urine, muscle cramps, nausea, vomiting, and mood changes. By the way I can bench over 120kg clean

Testosterone makes you stronger, able to train longer, recover faster and such. So it's a major benefit. Even a style like Mayweather (defensive), would maybe grant the most benefits, as his power would increase. Human growth hormone can also make you faster, strengthen your bones and such... These things are not enhancing your performance?? Come on... Taking testoserone (steroids) sups kills your sex drive.

The thing is, if you use PEDs in Baseball, your just hitting a ball. A boxer is hitting another man in the face & body for 12 rounds. If you're on something that, although not making you a better boxer, allows you to throw more punches, fatigue less and recover quicker then someone, in this sport that means someone's life is on the line. Sadly i don't see people feeling too strong about this until one of their one time favorite fighters dies in the ring and it turns out his opponent was using illegal substances, kind of like Resto made people care about what's in or not in your gloves. Personally I don't want to wait that long. Fighters risk their lives for their craft and to entertain us, the least we could do is give them the best testing money can buy. Just my opinon, take it or leave it. too bad the ts wish to keep this about boxing and not about Pac/May didn't pan out thanks to some.

I've used PED's before and they really do what they say,improve performance.I remember when i could only bench 60kgs,then I took anavar.The following day I could bench 100kgs with no change in diet.I would hit the heavy bag and it would swing like crazy,the guys at my gym refused to spar with me.mind you anavar is a weak steroid and not even meant to increase your strength so to speak. When I played rugby a few supplements greatly improved my stamina,made me quick and explosive.I could ride through tackles I couldnt before those supplements.The supplements werent banned though. I once bought some supplements on Conte's website,they reduce fatigue by transporting all waste away from the muscle's etc.They also increase your concentration and enhance your accuracy,things you wouldnt ordinarily do. The zab case is different,Zab has always been ripped without steroids,he's just weak mentally.zab is a bully and once you stand up to him he quits. http://www.isteroids.com/Anavar/Anavar_Side_Effects.html Minor side effects associated with Anavar use include sleep disorders, nausea, changes in skin color and changes in sexual drive. Yeah he use to like women before, now it just likes Floyd

This is not a pacquiao mayweather thread, please repeat ur repetitive arguments somewhere else. I just want to know ur opinion on steroids and their place in boxing. There are two major points ive been thinking about. 1) I think its clear roids dont have the same benefits across every sport. In baseball its plainly obvious they do a great deal of help. But u never even hear about them in basketball, where increased muscle mass can be a hindrance. I pretty much assume the majority of football players roided up so im not going to mention it. What effect do u think roids have on boxers? How much do u think they benefit? The reason i ask is really zab judah. The guy works with vic conte (the roid super hero), comes out ripped as fuk, and cant even make it six rounds??? Then u have the vargez example, plenty of talent, plenty of roids, lack luster results. Im completely convinced roids have a noticeable impact on a boxers performance, so dont misunderstand me. All im asking is how much of a benefit do u think is there? I think its plainly obvious they dont turn u into superman. U dont just start walking through punches. They cant take a looser and turn them into a winner. I think roids are a BIG problem in boxing and the testing methods need immediate improvement. But i also think we as boxing fans are getting carried away with the impression that roids alone can turn u into some sort of unstoppable terminator. U thoughts? Boxing is a skilled sport, much more so that baseball, sprinting, cycling, American football. Strength does not mean bigger punching power. Skills, dedecation, natural abilities training methods, living right, game plan, come way before the effect of roids. If PEDs could turn me into half the fighter Pacquiao is, I would be guzzling down.

what about side effects? most of the time people are only talking about the benefits but what about the negative effects of it? is it ok to take peds for years without ill-effects on your body? or is it going to shorten your boxing career? if you think about it anything that is unnatural will always have a negative effect especially in the long run. does the benefits of peds outweigh its side effects? is it worth the risk? Agreed, just look at all the former wrestlers. Only one left kicking is hulk hogan

you go up against a fighters that roided up see what you think......fkn stupid question

I think the biggest mistake people make when making a case against steriod usage in boxing is the actual word "steroid". The main culprit is EPO. It does not necessarily make you bigger and you don't need it on fight night. That's why night of the fight testing is useless. It's advantages are seen in the training process. I don't care what designer drug you use, you still have to put in the work. EPO allows for endurance training, thus creating the ability to take that once a day, 4 hour "balls to the wall" training and turn it into twice a day. That's the advantage. Look at all the clips of Ariza training his fighters. He's not doing anything "special". Take a bat to a heavy bag? Use resistance bands in short controlled spurts to work twitch muscles? Throwing a medicine ball in the air? I mean really...those "training" techniques don't bring anything new to the table. The stuff we don't see does. So stop paying attention to what the big strong guys get caught with. Pay attention to what the small endurance athletes get caught with. There are 120 lb grown men riding bikes through France getting popped with EPO damn near every race. Their advantages in their sport mimics boxing moreso than a 40 year old man belting 700 ft balls over a fence.

what about side effects? most of the time people are only talking about the benefits but what about the negative effects of it? is it ok to take peds for years without ill-effects on your body? or is it going to shorten your boxing career? if you think about it anything that is unnatural will always have a negative effect especially in the long run. does the benefits of peds outweigh its side effects? is it worth the risk?